Define Social justice, please

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  1. Naren1987

    Naren1987 Regular Member

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    If our Left leaning parties had their way, any criticism of Affirmative action would be criminalized, any rational critique is immediately slammed as 'racist', 'Neo Nazi' and God knows what other adject..., oh YES, Fascist, we all know how much they love using the F word.

    1.First things first, we must point out that, for all their pious speeches about how Israel keeps bringing up the Holocaust for deflect any criticism of its expansionist policies, they sure are very honest about NOT bringing up the F word.

    2.I'd also advise these people to save up some money and buy a dictionary, opposing discrimination based on caste(caste not economic status) is not Fascist, neither is it cruel to point out that they alienate the section of society that this policy discriminate against, this is the very reason why the European Americans in the Southern United states have a strong dislike for Statist policies and lean more towards Libertarianism.

    3.The excuse used by cultural Marxists is, of course, the lack of privileges for the underprivileged castes, these people should take a closer look at Govt colleges and other institutions implementing these feather brained shenanigans.

    The beneficiaries are not from the underprivileged, but from middle class families that have already benefited from this politically correct form of Casteism.

    4.You don't solve one problem by creating a completely new one.
    I'm going to tell you something you probably have never heard of, you solve the problem of poor schooling by setting up a decent school system, not discrimination.

    How exactly is the schooling for poor students going to be improved by hiring under qualified teachers who can't even spell their own name properly?
    While we're on the same, how are the Doctors in Govt hospitals doing?
    Please tell me, how do they compare with Doctors in the public sector in other universal healthcare system?

    Also explain to me, how exactly is an inefficient bureaucracy( the least efficient in South Asia) which reserves seats for 2500 odd upper middle class candidates with a BC certificate a fair trade off for an otherwise fully functional meritocratic one like the one they have in Singapore, one that delivers, one that doesn't take 20 years to come up with a Universal education system.

    5.How many posts that you think are reserved by the public sector?
    Did you know that the total no of jobs in the Govt don't exceed 30 million(this includes the Indian armed forces, and there are no reservations in the Indian armed forces)?
    So, if let's say, 50% of these jobs are reserved, that number of people that benefit from these policies would not exceed 15 million, I'm damn sure that the private sector employs more BCs than these guys.


    So, please answer this final question,

    Do you think Affirmative action for 15 million BCs(70 per cent of whom belong to middle class families) is worth the mentioned harmful side effects that we have to put up with?


    Don't wanna answer that question, fine, go ahead, keep hollering Fascist,Fascist,Fascist,Fascist, like a broken tape recorder.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The definition of social justice in India is platitudes at election time and forgotten thereafter!

    When has there been social justice or even real justice?

    Reservation in the name of social justice is only to enslave the people and never allowing them to forget that they are inferior, lousy, a drag on society and people with no pride, who require to be shouldered as baggage so that the Govt appears to be magnanimously aware that such people exist who are paralytic and require crutches just to walk,

    Men with no honour to stand on their own and face society right in the face.

    Such sops that continue to make feel as beggars is what in India is called social justice!
     
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    see you hand you will have 5 fingers is all finger are same no they are not same so we are not equall

    one hard but simple example if every one got the money then who will do the lower level work

    if in you office your office boy or house keeping boy get higher salary then do you think they will do the same job no they dont

    sorry to say but nature doesnot make every one equalll
     
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    Naren1987 Regular Member

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    7 Billion people on this planet, and they think everybody's equal, and they wonder why they're treated as crazy people.
     
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    Beasts of England, Beasts of Ireland,
    Beasts of every land and clime,
    Hearken to my joyful tidings
    Of the Golden future time.

    Soon or late the day is coming,
    Tyrant Man shall be o'erthrown,
    And the fruitful fields of England
    Shall be trod by beasts alone.

    Rings shall vanish from our noses,
    And the harness from our back,
    Bit and spur shall rust forever,
    Cruel whips no more shall crack.

    Riches more than mind can picture,
    Wheat and barley, oats and hay,
    Clover, beans and mangel-wurzels
    Shall be ours upon that day.

    Bright will shine the fields of England,
    Purer shall its waters be,
    Sweeter yet shall blow its breezes
    On the day that sets us free.

    For that day we all must labour,
    Though we die before it break;
    Cows and horses, geese and turkeys,
    All must toil for freedom's sake.

    Beasts of England, Beasts of Ireland,
    Beasts of every land and clime,
    Hearken well, and spread my tidings
    Of the Golden future time.

    - Animal Farm
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    your questions are fairly accurate....

    the caste based reservations or any form of reservation(even ones based on economy) should be abolished.....

    P.S : but you are the same person who wanted socialism in the other thread aren't you????
     
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    Exactly. You cant say all jobs are equal!!!! If every one from a Doctor to a Village idiot is going to get the same pay, then whats the point of being a Doctor(6 yrs of MBBS+2yrs of preparation for PG+3yrs of PG+ 3yrs for Super speciality:toilet::toilet:) against a Village idiot(primary education:thumb::thumb:)
     
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    Wrong analogy. everyone is born with five fingers, one heart in the left side, two ears, one head and in nude. So everyone is born equal. The differences arise only in the way we are brought up. And those differences may be internal - how our family is, what values we cherish and it can be external like how the society perceives us our community, if we are given equal opportunities and not deprived due to our caste/community etc.

    Now the internal influences cant be blamed on any one else..but the external influences need to be ablished first for the caste based reservations to go away. Reality - the external influence was there for centuries and has buried itself deep in the psyche of the "upper castes" and was used by them to maintain their stranglehold on the influential positions by these inane arguments that everyone is not equal and somehow they are special as they are born with two dicks.

    The affirmative action (reservations) are only there to make good the centuries long discrimination and oppression the sol called "backward castes" and "scheduled castes" had to endure.

    Well in that case the argument was given by Brahmins some decades ago and now OBCs give the same argument that all are not equal (meritocracy). So suck it up.
     
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    Caste based reservations are needed for another one or two decades for levelling the playing field.

    Centuries old oppression and discrimination need atleast 60-70 years to be set right.
     
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    Reservation in itself was a side effect of the discriminatory policies of the Brahmins where they tended to monopolize the modern education amongst themselves and discourages the other communities from competing with them by giving all sort of arguments.

    Now when the same thing is against them they start to whine and yearn for equality and meritocracy.

    Sorry folks, the discrimination that spanned several centuries and their effects takes atleast some decades to ameliorate and till that reservation is a must.
     
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    an idiot version of social justice is to share every thing equally
    the real version for social justice is to give every men a fair chance to succeed
     
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    But we already have enjoyed 60+yrs of reservation... It needs to stop some day!!!!!


    And yes, still some Fu(kwards do have "we are superior because we are Brahmins" attitude, but that wont change even if we have hundred more years of reservation....!!!!!
     
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    Agreed 100%... But thats what this stupid government is doing and our Champagne socialists are crying for

    Which involves opening up more government schools and raising up the standard of the government schools.... It should not involve reservation
     
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    Not enough.

    Still one or two decades required.
     
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    Meritocratic Socialism, not this bullshit.
     
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    1.The fact of the matter is, that students taught by AA candidates are worse off than students taught by Merit Candidates.
    In the Southern states, they may have the sizable talent pool for the BCs and SC candidates, but it's still not good enough, and the talent pool is only smaller in the north, Our bureaucracy will only take more decades to ameliorate poverty if it doesn't have quality candidates, I certainly agree with
    i)Subsidizing tuition fees for all candidates
    ii)We can still recruit a reserve force for these guys, but if we need 10,000 teachers, it has to be through meritocracy
    Did you know that the IAS is ranked the least efficient in Asia

    2.A lot of BCs are from Vaishya and Kshatriya communities, why does an Intermediate FC have to fund handouts for these guys through his tax dollars.

    3.Present day Brahmins are not to be blamed for those discrminations, punishing a man for what members of his caste did, is Casteism.
     
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    I wonder if ever reservation in any form will be given up so easily.

    It becomes an addiction (easy to get on life with undue advantage)!

    It is difficult to get over an addiction!
     
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    Brhamins had undue advantages in the past.

    Others now have undue advantages now.

    They have now transformed themselves into Brahmins by virtue of the constitutionally. They are now "Constitutional Brahmins" :rofl:
     
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    No Sir We dont actually exhibit we the high ones and RESPECT us attitude.... Many want this reservation for economic reasons not domination of society... but i agree this is an addiction which won be given up easily....
     

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