Defecting spy tells US that China spends most of its time stealing secrets

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    Defecting spy tells US that China spends most of its time stealing secrets

    March 19th, 2009 - 12:35 pm ICT by ANI -

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    Washington, Mar.19 (ANI) The Chinese intelligence service spends most of its time not only trying to steal secrets from overseas but also on ways to bolster Communist Party rule by repressing religious and political dissent internally, claims a spy who has defected to the United States.

    “In some sense you can say that intelligence work between two countries is just like war but without the fire,” Li Fengzhi told The Washington Times in an interview aided by an interpreter.

    Li worked for years as an Ministry of State Security intelligence officer inside China before defecting to the United States, where is he awaiting a response to his request for political asylum.

    He gave a rare, detailed interview to The Times on Sunday regarding the activities of the MSS, China’’s Communist-controlled civilian spy agency.
    His prior work as a Chinese spy was confirmed to The Times by a Western government source familiar with his defection.

    The source spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of Li’’s case.

    Li told The Times that the MSS focuses on both counterintelligence - working against foreign intelligence agencies - and the collection of secrets and technology.

    The MSS, however, is unique from other nations” intelligence services in that it is patterned after the former Soviet Union’’s KGB political police.

    Its most important mission is “to control the Chinese people to maintain the rule of the Communist Party,” he added.

    Wang Baodong, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington, did not address Li’’s comments directly but repeated past Chinese government statements regarding its intelligence activities.

    “Allegations of China conducting spying activities against the United States are groundless and unwarranted,” he said.

    Li said he left China’’s intelligence services to protest the agency’’s role in government repression of political dissidents and religious groups that are outside of the ruling communist system.

    In the interview, he also said:China’’s spy agency is focused on sending spies to infiltrate the U.S. intelligence community, and also on collecting secrets and technology from the United States.

    China is censoring the Internet to prevent the population from knowing about what occurs outside the country. An internal MSS manual that is kept secret from most officers outlines the primary role of the service as the promotion of Communist Party’’s interests .Ongoing cooperation between the CIA and FBI and the MSS in countering international terrorism can be constructive, but U.S. agencies need to be cautious because the MSS is mainly an organ of the Chinese Communist Party, and does not directly serve the interests of the Chinese nation or people.

    Li was born in 1968 in northern China and was first recruited into a provincial Chinese intelligence service before being promoted to the MSS in Beijing after several years. (ANI)


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    great news sir this shows the ugly face of china
     
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    come on , every intelligence service do the same , ..
     
  5. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    That China is doing all this is known.

    But I am sure he gave more insight to the US intelligence than what is mentioned and that is what is of interest.
     
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    You mean every intelligence agency, like RAW and CIA spend their time serving A PARTY and actually works against their own people making sure they work as mindless drones with diluted information about the world outside?

    Sounds like MSS and ISI only to me..
     
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    I think the defector is going to be dead pretty soon.
     
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    Does it have any other face???
     
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    there is only one face of maoists China which is the ugly one. they donot have any beautiful face .
     
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    Re: Defecting spy tells US that China spends most of its time stealing

    China (Finally) Admits to Hacking

    China’s military has finally pulled back the curtain on its cyber strategy, admitting for the first time that it (like countries around the world) has cyber units set up not only for defense, but for attack.

    Officially, China’s line has always been that its government does not sponsor any form of hacking. Those denials rang hollow to foreign experts, however, who pointed both to evidence of Chinese cyberattacks and to the sheer folly of a country of China’s size and global importance not including cyberespionage in its intelligence-gathering arsenal.


    Now Beijing may finally be ready to drop the charade. The updated edition of The Science of Military Strategy, an authoritative analysis of China’s military thinking, includes references to China’s cyber-warfare units. “This is the first time we’ve seen an explicit acknowledgement of the existence of China’s secretive cyber-warfare forces from the Chinese side,” Joe McReynolds of the Center for Intelligence Research and Analysis told The Daily Beast. “[T]hey’ve come out and said, ‘Yes, we do in fact have network attack forces, and we have teams on both the military and civilian-government sides.’”

    The Science of Military Strategy, published in Chinese in 2001 (and translated into English in 2007) is a staple reference not only for Western scholars but for senior PLA strategists and decision makers, explains Andrew Erickson, an expert on Chinese military affairs at the U.S. Naval War College. The updated edition was published in Chinese in December 2013 but only recently became available to foreign analysts. China is well aware that the book is widely studied by foreign experts as well as Chinese military thinkers, meaning the reference to cyber-attack forces was likely a carefully considered decision.

    McReynolds said China has dedicated cyber units operating in both the military and the civilian sphere. Within the PLA, China has “specialized military network warfare forces” for carrying out both offensive and defense cyber operations. China also has cyber specialists within civilian organizations, including the Ministry of State Security and the Ministry of Public Security, “authorized by the military to carry out network warfare operations.”

    China has previously acknowledged that its military employs cyber experts – for example, a story about a 30-person “Blue Army” of PLA cyber-specialists made headlines in 2011. However, China continued to insist that its cyber capabilities were 100 percent focused on defending Chinese networks, rather than probing foreign systems for information or weaknesses. “The Blue Army’s main target is self-defense. We won’t initiate an attack on anyone,” a senior PLA official insisted when news of the unit’s existence broke.

    Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry spokespeople have likewise consistently and categorically denied that the Chinese government sponsors hacking activities of any kind. Now that The Science of Military Strategy has stated otherwise, “[t]hey can’t make that claim anymore,” McReynolds said.

    The news that China does, in fact, have units of cyber spies won’t be “earth-shattering” to foreign experts, James Lewis, an expert on China’s cyber strategies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told The Daily Beast (see here for more from Lewis on China’s cyber activities). However, the new openness on the part of the PLA could have long-lasting implications if it does turn out to be part of a policy shift.

    The U.S. government has been seeking to entice more PLA transparency on cyber issues by openly explaining its own cyber-strategy. Those overtures hadn’t paid off – China continued to block any real discussion by denying it partakes in any cyber-espionage activities. The acknowledgement of offensive cyber units in The Science of Military Strategy may mean that Beijing is increasing cyber transparency, which could pave the way for discussions on the issue.

    China (Finally) Admits to Hacking | The Diplomat
     
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    Re: Defecting spy tells US that China spends most of its time stealing

    It is surprising that China admitted to it.
     

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