Dalit women at the Kumbh: A good beginning ?

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  1. KS

    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    [video]http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/india-decides-9/dalit-women-at-the-kumbh-just-symbolism-or-caste-assertion/264466?hp&video-featured[/video]

    Ignore the rantings of the JNU shithead and concentrate on the good gesture..:namaste:
     
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    Yes, a good beginning. Hindu spiritual leaders, such as Shankaracharyas from N, S, E and W should get together and dismiss hereditary caste system. Change has to come from the dharma gurus and then only common man/woman will be able to change.
     
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    Very good beginning!! Let there be no caste system... every human is same to god...
     
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    contd.
    Hereditary caste system should be condemned by all right thinking Hindus. For centuries children of scavengers and other lower castes were condemned to carry out their forefathers profession - horrid, horrid, horrid...
     
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    Can any person on this forum give me refrence of any ancient or religious text wherein the so called Dalits are forebidden to take part in Kumbh. If not then why this euphoria of dalit participation in Kumbh ?

    Secondly, to keep reminding someone that he / she is Dalit or OBC or Tribal is the biggest descrimination which politicians , social groups, govt and individuals perpetuate by design. If one takes benefit of being a Dalit, then he has no right to be called / rediculed as a dalit. One can not eat the cake and have it too.

    There is a lot of contradiction there.
     
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    Were dalits forbidden from taking a dipping in Ganges during kumbh :confused:

    Sent from my GT-N7000
     
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    No. Kumbh Mela is for all - scavengers who clean up after pilgrims also bathe along with others. This was symbolic but symbolism is also important.
     
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    Sensationalist article.

    Kumbh Mela is open to all.
    @parijataka - It would be very difficult to get rid of the caste system but it can be converted to clan/tribal system.
     
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    Agree totally with you - caste was carried into Sikhism, Islam and even Christianity by Hindus who joined those faiths. Seems to be in the blood of Indiana... :)
     
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    Literally caste system is in the blood of Indians. :namaste:
     
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    Symbolism are dime a dozen and do not make an iota of difference to their lives.IT is better we focus more on the humanitarian aspects
     
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    I would be surprised if anyone could detect a person's caste in that huge crush!

    Caste is one huge bore.
     
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    caste system must be brought down, by force if necessay. anyone who partakes in it, must be immediately executed on public square.
     
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    Apparently, I can't :D
    But looks like the reporter was equipped with a Dalit detection radars (ofcourse) made by the Brahmanis working in DRDO :laugh:
     
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    Kaal - Chiron...: Caste and Convenience - 4


    Megasthenes mentions 7 different "categories" of people found in Indian society while his stay in India. 800 years later, Chinese traveller Fa'Xien too notes "castes" and mentions about "Chandalas" which was a category of outcasts with whom any formal societal interaction was prohibited in times of Vikramaditya. There is plenty of material which is available for the readers to investigate the "Origins" of this socio-political system in India.

    The process when Indic religions started gelling together as one "hinduism" religion, marks the beginning of exploitative caste system, IMHO. This began after successful incursions of Ghuris in the heartland of gangetic plains and it spread southwards with khiljis and tughlaqs. Manusmriti is one of the thousands of other law books which were enforced in various parts of India in various times. One of the famous "Smriti" is "Medhatithi Smriti" enforced in Rajasthan, Gujarat, Harnaya, Punjab and eastern Sindh during the times of arab invasions and battle for rajasthan in 800's. Prior to Ghurid invasions, there was no need for a "hindu" identity. for social and political identification reasons, caste/profession/varna was enough, for spiritual identification, moksha-maarga was enough. The crystallization of "Caste" as a system in which the lowest strata was inhumanly exploited began at "mass scale" after the need for finding a common identity for a "non-Muslim" Indian began to arise acutely. This is where the "Mess" begins.

    The only thing which is constant in this entire "mess" of caste system is "Convenience". Convenience is the hallmark of a Hindu. When it is convenient to be "a custodian" of Indian culture, Hindus act so. When traditions start becoming liability and become inconvenient, they are overthrown. This "convenience" of various groups of people in given region in given space-time is the constant factor of the complex web of interdependent caste system. This "convenience" is lot to do with the "mercantile and mercenary character" which slowly got inculcated into the psyche of Indic power-holders and public alike. This entire mess of reservation is also the same. the groups which fight for a "low class" status officially try and marry off their daughters in the castes which considered as high caste by them in their space and time. They also call themselves (strive to call themselves) as high born. Its all complex. Something which is convenient for particular castes in particular regions who wield power (of strength OR of numbers OR of money OR of information/administration) in given times, try to gain privilege and political space for themselves. Whatever means are required to elevate themselves are used.
     
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    A good beginning? As if dalits never visited Kumbh melas in the past. BUT, BUT, now they come with a playcard "I am a dalit".

    Heck. Caste or religion wise data on visitors is not collected.
     
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    No they were never prohibited.. The reason why this became news was because the women wore their identity on their saree, literally.

    Its just that it was a symbolic act of the Balmiki community (which according to the video was involved in manual scavenging) wore their dalit identity and then went to take a dip in the Ganga and cleansing themsleves with the priests saying prayers.
     
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    hinduism needs to be wiped out from india. it is single handedly responsible for vast backwardness and superstition. Without hinduism, we would have less cows on roads and cleaner India. I was born a Brahmin hindu but I have to say it is not any better than islam. They are equally bad
    This mela photos is like watching subhumans showering with each other in ganga and polluting it beyond recognition. these festivals must be banned. india must enter the 21st century
     
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    Pollution is not because of Hinduism. Please first understand the religion, do not make outright statement on any religion. If you are a Brahmin that doesn't mean whatever crap you say is right.

    It is all about management & administration along with self responsibility of the followers. Ganga is not polluted just because of bathing in it, but the sewages, industrial & city wastage has polluted it more than anything.

    People have been misusing religion for their vested interests and in case of Hindus , the Brahmins are the main culprits who has created social divide & untouchability kind of nonsense.
    I do not remember exactly the book, but In one Puran, I have read that even a Kapalik [ human flesh eater] & Chandal [ Mortuary Man] are also allowed to visit temple. The Hinduism does not forbid or deny anybody for the religious rights/ customs, all are equal. All this nonsense has been created by the religious contractors aka a class of Brahmins
     
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    Then why single out Hinduism, why not wipe out Islam,Christianity, Buddhism,Jainism,Sikhism and all tribal customs from India. This discussion is about reform and equality not misguided atheistic vendetta, my suggestion to you would be to contribute in a constructive manner to this discussion. Neither you or and one else is capable to ridding India of Hinduism because Hinduism is not just a religion it is a concept to nation and its people. My parting question to you is instead of Hinduism why not first wipe out HYPOCRISY from India? :dharma:
     

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