Dalai Lama's successor a Chinese agent in India?

[johnee]

The whole thing is very odd. Firstly, we dont know whether Karmapa Lama is being trapped as a part of consipiracy or whether he is being exposed. Either way, why now and by whom? Who is exposing him and why, if Karmapa Lama is indeed part of this scam? If not, why is Karmapa Lama being targetted and by whom?

Of late, we are seeing too many scams getting exposed in India, and we have no idea, who is behind these exposes and we have no clue why these exposes are happening now when the scams where going on for a long time now. Then, we also see that politically motivated traps are being laid out for ideological opponents(as in the case of some sadhus and sadhvis). We are also seeing the indic 'saints and sages' being 'exposed'(nithyanada for example). We recently saw two tribes clashing in Assam. One tribe had converted to Christianity and the other tribe(still hindus) was being attacked by these new converts. We also know that Chinese have become aggressive on the border.

Looking at all these events, it is very difficult to determine whether the latest episode is related to anyone of the above events.

The possibilities and questions are:
a) Karmapa Lama is a chinese spy and working for them. But who exposed him and why now?
b) Karmapa Lama is being trapped by the Chinese. Why him and why now? Are indian elements helping the chinese?
c) Buddhist religious heads play a very important role in NE in checking prostelysation. So, is Karmapa Lama being trapped to eliminated a hurdle in NE?
d) Did the ruling Govt trap the Karmapa Lama? If so why?

It seems Dalai Lama is supporting Karmapa Lama. That is another angle to the whole episode.

 

[Tshering22]

If india is smart, india would appoint a pro india and anti china Dalai Lama and make sure that the current Dalai Lama confirms him as his successor before he leaves for heavenly abode. That would make sure india retains the Tibet card for a long time. India should from now on make sure that IT is in the loop for any decision making body of Tibetans in exile and their politics.
Come on India, buckle up or we will get shoed out.

That is not how it is supposed to run. There are traditional symptoms in choosing the next Dalai Lama. The incarnate is supposed to be a child somewhere; anywhere in between Tibet and China. Once the Child is identified, the parents are to be convinced. Then the Child is groomed for his (now her also) to be the Spiritual leader. The current His Holiness cannot "confirm" his successor. Anything any political government whether Chinese or even ours appoints, is not going to be accepted. This isn't a man-made system.

OTOH, India will continue retaining the Tibet card. Dalai Lama's position is not the only reason; there are thousands of exiles in our country who are very anti-China; in fact, His Holiness wants just religious autonomy and not separation unlike the exiles who WANT separation. As long as Tibetan exiles are there, whether who is our next His Holiness, we will retain the card.

The next Dalai Lama would be educated in spiritual learnings just as the present one is. Communist or Democratic influence will not have any effect on his (or her) learning and understanding of Dharma.

 

[Tshering22]

The whole thing is very odd. Firstly, we dont know whether Karmapa Lama is being trapped as a part of consipiracy or whether he is being exposed. Either way, why now and by whom? Who is exposing him and why, if Karmapa Lama is indeed part of this scam? If not, why is Karmapa Lama being targetted and by whom?

Of late, we are seeing too many scams getting exposed in India, and we have no idea, who is behind these exposes and we have no clue why these exposes are happening now when the scams where going on for a long time now. Then, we also see that politically motivated traps are being laid out for ideological opponents(as in the case of some sadhus and sadhvis). We are also seeing the indic 'saints and sages' being 'exposed'(nithyanada for example). We recently saw two tribes clashing in Assam. One tribe had converted to Christianity and the other tribe(still hindus) was being attacked by these new converts. We also know that Chinese have become aggressive on the border.

Looking at all these events, it is very difficult to determine whether the latest episode is related to anyone of the above events.

The possibilities and questions are:
a) Karmapa Lama is a chinese spy and working for them. But who exposed him and why now?
b) Karmapa Lama is being trapped by the Chinese. Why him and why now? Are indian elements helping the chinese?
c) Buddhist religious heads play a very important role in NE in checking prostelysation. So, is Karmapa Lama being trapped to eliminated a hurdle in NE?
d) Did the ruling Govt trap the Karmapa Lama? If so why?

It seems Dalai Lama is supporting Karmapa Lama. That is another angle to the whole episode.

Very good points that I may not rule out. Especially C and D. It is possible that this might be also the cause..

 

[ajtr]

How the hell do you bring CIA into all this ?? This seems to be a clear case Chinese espionage against India. Your imagination seems to be running around wild.

This thread will answer lot of your questions.....................................

http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=10035&page=1

 

[sandeepdg]

China denies Karmapa links, says India shows 'mistrust attitude'


BEIJING: China on Monday denied that Karmapa, the head of the Tibetan Karma Kagyu sect, was its spy, and claimed that allegations against the country in this regard showed India's "mistrustful attitude" towards Beijing.

"The speculation by India's media, regarding the matter of the Karmapa as a Chinese agent or spy, shows that India is keeping its mistrustful attitude toward China," said Xu Zhitao, an official at the United Front Work Department of the ruling Communist party Central Committee.

In the first reaction to reports of raids on the offices of a trust backed by Karmapa, the official said, "the 17th Karmapa living Buddha (Monks in Tibet are called living Buddhas) is the first reincarnated living Buddha confirmed and approved by the Central Government of the People's Republic of China after the peaceful liberation of Tibet in 1951."

"The reincarnation of holy men is a unique form of succession in Tibetan Buddhism, which has long been recognized and respected," Xu told state-run Global Times.

Karmapa, heading the Karmapa sect, is informally ranked number 3 in Tibetan Buddhist spiritual religious milieu.

He is endorsed by both the Dalai Lama, the highest spiritual head as well as by the Chinese Government. Where as Panchen Lama ranked second was appointed by China and but was not backed by Dalai Lama, the highest Tibetan spiritual leader denounced by China.

"Karmapa left China in 1999 for the purpose of religious behaviors, just as he claimed," Xu said, apparently referring to the explanation provided by Karmapa's advisor, Karma Topden in Dharmashala yesterday that one reason why the monk went to India was to complete spiritual learning process as all top teachers of his sect were based in India.

Xu, however, made no mention of Karmapa's assertions the main reason why Karmapa fled to India was to escape from the pressure exhorted by the Chinese authorities on him to denounce Dalai Lama and support the Panchen Lama selected by the Chinese authorities.

Karmapa whose original name is Ugyen Trinley Dorjee said one reason why he went to India was to seek the blessings of Dalai Lama, who is denounced by China.

The Global Times news report also cited reports in the Indian media about protests by Karmapa supporters denying the allegations.

"This is not the first time that India's media has linked 'spies' with China. Earlier this month, three Chinese citizens were arrested in India on suspicion of money laundering and spying on border security. But the Chinese foreign ministry said they were actually tourists who had mistakenly crossed the border from Nepal," it said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ows-mistrust-attitude/articleshow/7396422.cms

 

[sandeepdg]

This thread will answer lot of your questions.....................................

http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=10035&page=1

I have read a lot about the CIA and its secret wars ! But that's all in the past, this particular incident has no relation to that piece of news, so you can't justify your point based on this.

 

[RAM]

Karmapa may face hawala racket charge

The Enforcement Directorate may charge the Tibetan Buddhist leader, the Karmapa, for running a 'hawala', or illegal money transfer, racket in India. The Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, may be charged under the Prevention of Money Laundering Act for violating the Foreign Exchange Management Act and the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act, said Dharamsala police chief Santosh Patial. He told HT that making and accepting foreign currency donations was not allowed without filing returns under the FEMA and FCRA. He said the Karmapa's trust did not even have the permission under the FCRA to accept foreign donations.


On January 28, police raids on the Karmapa's Gyutso monastery unearthed foreign currencies —including the Chinese yuans — worth about R 12 crore and triggered intense investigations into the establishment that the China-recognised 17th Karmapa runs.what's more, six more shady land deals struck by some of the closest aides of the Karmapa in Kangra, Solan and Dharamsala area have surfaced. Police sources said there might be similar deals in the northeast.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfe...wala-racket-charge-by-ED/Article1-657009.aspx

 

[Tshering22]

Karmapa may face hawala racket charge

The Enforcement Directorate may charge the Tibetan Buddhist leader, the Karmapa, for running a 'hawala', or illegal money transfer, racket in India. The Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, may be charged under the Prevention of Money Laundering Act for violating the Foreign Exchange Management Act and the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act, said Dharamsala police chief Santosh Patial. He told HT that making and accepting foreign currency donations was not allowed without filing returns under the FEMA and FCRA. He said the Karmapa's trust did not even have the permission under the FCRA to accept foreign donations.


On January 28, police raids on the Karmapa's Gyutso monastery unearthed foreign currencies —including the Chinese yuans — worth about R 12 crore and triggered intense investigations into the establishment that the China-recognised 17th Karmapa runs.what's more, six more shady land deals struck by some of the closest aides of the Karmapa in Kangra, Solan and Dharamsala area have surfaced. Police sources said there might be similar deals in the northeast.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/rssfe...wala-racket-charge-by-ED/Article1-657009.aspx

One thing that mystifies me is that why isn't the government making the source of this money public. The Karmapa has currencies of more than 6 countries and in large value. This obviously means that there are multiple sources attempting to infiltrate the monasteries. CCP is the main suspect but I have a feeling that there is more to it than just this. No case is so simple especially when the case involves in interest on our branch. We're normally reclusive people with an ascetic life and attract little negative attention.

This is certainly not a case of donations, because even the Tibetan authorities know about international donations being welcomed only after official permission from GOI as well as Tibetan Government and that too in international currency : US dollar or converted inside India to Indian Rupee.

I have a feeling that there is much much more than it meets the eye..

 

[ajtr]

Karmapa devotees demonstrate across India​

Tibetan Buddhism's third most important spiritual leader questioned by police over money found in a monastery

Thousands of devotees and monks demonstrated today across India to show their support for Tibetan Buddhism's third most important spiritual leader, who has been repeatedly questioned by Indian police about cash worth around £500,000 found in the Buddhist monastery in northern India where he lives.

Lines of Tibetan exiles carried candles and pictures of the Karmapa, whose full name is Ogyen Trinley Dorje, in a series of vigils. The Karmapa, seen as a possible successor to the Dalai Lama, has denied allegations of wrongdoing. An aide has been arrested.

This weekend large sums of Indian and foreign currency were recovered from the monastery near the Himalayan foothill town of Dharamsala where the lama lives. The cash included large amounts of Chinese yuan, sparking accusations, vociferously denied, that the 25-year-old lama [spiritual leader] is a Chinese spy.

The office of the Karmapa, who fled from Tibet to India 11 years ago, said in a statement: "Everyone who knows the history of our lineage, our struggle and his holiness's life is very surprised by the allegations. We categorically deny having any link whatsoever with any arm of the Chinese government."

Supporters were swift to defend the young monk. "The way the Karmapa has conducted himself in exile has been quite exemplary," said Youdon Aukatsang, a Tibetan living in Delhi. "For the police to jump to the conclusion that he is a Chinese spy because of the money found at the monastery is ridiculous."

One UK-based campaigner said: "The Karmapa has always been under protection and accompanied everywhere, even up and downstairs from his private quarters to the temple, by Indian security."

The position of the Tibetan community in India, estimated to be 200,000-strong, is a delicate one as tensions between India and China rise. The Karmapa himself is a controversial figure, with some within Tibetan Buddhism denying his claim to be the reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa.

Ever since his sudden arrival in India as a teenager in January 2000, Delhi has been suspicious. A former official maintained that this was because intelligence services doubted he could have left Tibet without the knowledge of Chinese authorities.

In remarks quoted in Indian media, a Chinese Communist party official told reporters: "The speculation by India's media regarding the matter of the Karmapa as a Chinese agent or spy shows that India is keeping its mistrustful attitude toward China."

The Dalai Lama, the spiritual head of Tibetan Buddhism said: "The Karmapa has many devotees, including from China," he told reporters in Bangalore. "Some money would have naturally been received by him [from devotees] "¦ There has been some negligence [on the part of monastery officials]. It is better now to have a thorough investigation."

Experts say the Karmapa is being groomed as a possible replacement for the Dalai Lama, who has publicly suggested that he might retire from political life within six months.

The Gyuto monastery was raided after police stumbled upon around £14,000 in a car in which two Indians were travelling. The car's occupants claimed they had received the cash from the monastery as part-payment for the purchase of land, for the construction of a monastery.

The Karmapa's legal counsel, Naresh Mathur, told journalists that the money found in the monastery was composed of donations from devotees who came from all over the world, including Tibet.

 

[sandeepdg]

Truth will prevail: Karmapa

DHARAMSALA: Thousands of devotees and monks Wednesday took out a peaceful march here to express solidarity with their religious leader, the 17th Karmapa, who was questioned by police last week over the recovery of unaccounted currency worth nearly Rs 70 million from his monastery.

The Karmapa, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, who is considered the third most important Tibetan religious head after the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama, later addressed the gathering at the Gyuto Tantric University and Monastery, saying the investigating agencies are doing their work.

"Let the investigating agencies do their work. Truth will prevail," he said in his brief address to the followers in Tibetan language.

A string of central government agencies is attempting to get to the bottom of the recovery of unaccounted currency that includes 1.1 million Chinese Yuan (Rs.7 million) and over 600,000 US dollars.

A Himachal Pradesh Police team twice questioned the Karmapa about the currency recovery. Even the Enforcement Directorate Tuesday scanned documents and questioned functionaries.

Carrying lighted joss sticks, pictures of the Karmapa and banners, the devotees, including some foreigners, said their spiritual leader was wrongly mired in a controversy.

"The allegations are totally unfounded. We are greatly perturbed. The 'guruji' is here to propagate Buddhism and spiritualism. He has nothing to do with money collection," Nubra Chokey told IANS.

The procession started from McLeodganj and culminated at the Gyuto monastery after covering a distance of over 20 km.

"The way the Karmapa was labelled by the Indian media, especially the electronic media, as a Chinese spy is ridiculous. Truth will definitely prevail," the monk's another follower, Tenzin Dorjee, said.

The supporters chanted slogans in unison: "He is not (a Chinese spy), he is not."

Activists of the Tibetan Youth Congress (TYC), the Tibetan Women's Association (TWA), the Gu Chu Sum Movement of Tibet, the National Democratic Party of Tibet, and the Students for a Free Tibet also participated in the march.

"Karmapa is an important religious figure. It's wrong to doubt his integrity," Tenzin Tsundue, a Tibetan writer and activist, said.

The office of the Karmapa said in a statement posted on its official website: "We can confirm that Rs.5 crore ($.1 million) was taken by the (Indian) authorities from the monastery."

"This sum represents unsolicited donations...Our administration has sought to acquire clearance since 2002 to deposit cash donations under the Foreign Exchange Maintenance Act."

"As for the Chinese currency, we would like to stress that His Holiness the Karmapa has a large and devoted following of Tibetans from Tibet and of Buddhists from the Chinese mainland. The yuan found constitutes less than 10 percent of the cash in question, which included currency from over 20 countries," the statement said.

"Moreover, the yuan seized by police include notes ranging from 1 yuan to larger denominations, clearly indicating that they come from multiple, individual sources," it added.

The Karmapa is the spiritual head of the Karma Kagyu School, one of the four sects of Buddhism.

The Karmapa fled Tibet and sought refuge in India in January 2000. Ever since, he has mostly lived at the monastery in Sidhbari near Dharamsala - the seat of the Tibetan government-in-exile.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Truth-will-prevail-Karmapa/articleshow/7412661.cms

 

[SHASH2K2]

Though not directly related but relevent one.

 

[Ray]

I do not understand as to how the Karmapa is the successor to the Dalai Lama.

He is from the Kagyu Sect.

The Dalai lama is from the Gelug sect.

 

[Ray]

Tibetan Eminent Monks Doubt Dalai Lama's Status as "Religious Leader"
"Is the Dalai Lama really the religious leader of Tibet and the spokesman for Tibetan Buddhism?" queried accomplished lamas of major sects of Tibetan Buddhism.

Dangyai, 73, an eminent lama of the Gelupa sect of Tibetan Buddhism, told Xinhua that "We no longer enshrine the portrait of the Dalai at our dormitories and no longer chant sutras praying for his longevity."

This is because the Dalai Lama does not devote himself whole-heartedly to carrying forward Tibetan Buddhism, he said.

The 66-year-old 14th Dalai Lama is one of the major living Buddhas of the Gelupa sect. He fled to India in 1959 and established a government-in-exile.

At the Zhaxi Lhunbo Lamasery, one of the six major Gelupa temples, Gaqin Losangpuncog said, "The lamasery supported the peaceful liberation of Tibet 50 years ago. Betrayers of the motherland and the scum of the nation are not welcome at the temple and the Dalai Lama is one of them."

In the 1980s, Gaqin won the Lha Ram Pa Gexe, the highest degree in lamaism study.

He said, during the era of the Dalai Lama, it was terrific for a lama dormitory to have one jin (0.5 kilograms) of ghee. But now, it is not rare to have five to 10 kilograms. "Lamas love today's life," he added.

Tibetan Buddhism, with a history of more than 1,300 years, is divided into four sects: Nyingmapa, Sakyapa, Kagyupa and Gelupa.

Each sect has its own idol. Lozhub Gyacog, a chief lama at the Sagya Monastery of the Sakyapa sect, said that "the Dalai Lama was not the leader of our sect in the past and he cannot be the idol of our sect today."

He added, "At least, the lamas at the Sagya Monastery will not agree to the Dalai Lama's claim that he is the spokesman for Tibetan Buddhism."

Seven hundred years ago, the ancestors of the Sakyapa sect, who were regnant in Tibet at that time, signed an agreement with the central authorities of the Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368), which brought Tibet under the sovereignty of China.

Lozhub Gyacog said, "I am astonished at the Dalai Lama's claim that Tibet has never been a part of China."

Lamas of Sakyapa, Putoin and Gelupa sects live together in the Baiqoi Monastery in Gyangze County of Tibet. Before the peaceful liberation of Tibet in 1951, Lamas of the Gelupa sect initiated a ceremony during which sutras were chanted for the longevity of the Dalai Lama.

The ceremony, which used to be a necessary procedure in the temple's religious activities, has now been canceled.

Zunzhui, a lama of the Putoin sect at the temple, said that "currently, all religious sects in the monastery treat each other with mutual respect and fairness."

He recalled that 50 years ago, lamas of the Putoin sect had to pay exorbitant taxes and levies to the Gelupa sect of the Dalai Lama, and do hard labor.

The living standards of the temple's lamas have improved greatlytoday. The state has invested more than two million yuan (241,000 U.S. dollars) to repair the Baiqoi Monastery, and it has an annual income of more than 500,000 yuan.

The Curbo Monastery of the Gagyupa sect was the initiator of looking for the reincarnated soul boy of living Buddhas. Abbot Chilai Wangjiu said the Gagyupa lamas believe in their own living Buddha, but not the Dalai Lama.

Another eminent lama, Sangdaim Dunzhub, added, "I feel disgusted with the Dalai Lama for his involvement in politics in the name of religion."

Legshin Tuomoi, the abbot of the Samye Monastery, said that the Dalai Lama devotes much of his strength to matters beyond Tibetan Buddhism, "which goes against harmony and peace."

The Samye Monastery was the first temple in Tibet and the birthplace of the Nyingmapa sect of the Tibetan Buddhism.

Currently, Tibet has more than 1,700 monasteries and temples, with over 46,000 monks and nuns.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200105/16/eng20010516_70069.html

The People Daily is clear about the great life the Tibetan Buddhists are having under China.

They equate happiness with the quantum of ghee.

In other words, having failed to wipe out Buddhism and Tibetan culture and way of life, kill their intelligentsia by ghee so that they have heart attacks and other ailments!

 

[no smoking]

I do not understand as to how the Karmapa is the successor to the Dalai Lama.

He is from the Kagyu Sect.

The Dalai lama is from the Gelug sect.

Because they need someone with some reputation, or they have to wait for 18 years to get another popular 'Dalai Lama'. There is a lot of things could happen during these years.

My question is why GOI makes it public? Think about the results:
If GOI is right and he is a chinese spy, will it be a big blew to CCP? I doubt it. That means one of major tibet leader is sided with CCP. That will be a big victory in its propoganda within tibet. Another effect is that every tibeten who crossed the border recently will be suspected as a possible spy. Without taking any action, CCP can successfully break exile tibet community. After Dalai lama is gone, this case will be used in their internal struggle.

What if GOI is wrong? Well, you can imagine how tibeten community would think of it.

So, GOI is doing a great favor for china. Thank you!

 

[Ray]

Because they need someone with some reputation, or they have to wait for 18 years to get another popular 'Dalai Lama'. There is a lot of things could happen during these years.

That is true many things can happen in the interim.


The electronic reach of the world today is phenomenal and utilising it adroitly, helps in a great way to showcase the message.

One has to see how Egypt is burning thanks to the electronic reach! That is the negative example. Cleverly used, the electronic media can hype a positive message too!

That apart, these days hiring a good Public Relations organisation, many high profile spiritual congresses across the world, adequate finances, overheating the media, acquiring moon eyed sycophants, one can become a spiritual leader of repute. So, to be 'acceptable' as a great spiritual leader is no great shakes, if the organisation to become so and the hype is cleverly finetuned.

My question is why GOI makes it public? Think about the results:

There are good reasons to do so. The GoI is of the firm opinion that Ugyen Trinley Dorje (Karmapa to some) is China's 'strategic asset'. The GoI is careful not to declare him a spy. Ugyen was was enthroned as the Karmapa, the spiritual head of the Karma Kagyu sect at the Tsurphu monastery in Tibet by the Chinese in 1992. The ceremony was performed allegedly by Tai Situ Rinpoche, the third Regent of the Rumtek Monastery. The interesting part is that Tai Situ Rinpoche went to China in 1982 and hung around there till 1990 as the main architect in implementing a plan in concert with the Chinese Communist Govt, to rebuild monasteries in Tibet. Given the dislike of the Chinese for these Tibetan lamas and keeping a sharp eye on their activities, to assist and plan Tibetan identity renaissance is a bit suspicious. It must be remembered that the Chinese are known to assist those who obey the rules and dictates of the CCP. Independence from the control of the Chinese Govt is not accepted as was the case with the Falun Gong movement.

The result for the GoI will be in the interest of the country. Ugyen's refugee status will be up for review. He will not be arrested for unaccounted cash in huge quantity and instead will be deported. Most probably Ugyen will return to China or will be accommodated in the West, who will ensure that he becomes their tool against the Chinese. Therefore, the worry is for the Chinese Govt and not that for India.

If GOI is right and he is a chinese spy, will it be a big blew to CCP? I doubt it. That means one of major tibet leader is sided with CCP. That will be a big victory in its propoganda within tibet. Another effect is that every tibeten who crossed the border recently will be suspected as a possible spy. Without taking any action, CCP can successfully break exile tibet community. After Dalai lama is gone, this case will be used in their internal struggle.

Of course, one major Tibetan Lama is pro Chinese. But there are four contestant to the claim of Karmapa. Therefore, it is a non issue for the Indian Govt. While every Tibetan crossing over cannot be a Chinese spy, yet those who show inclination towards the Chinese, would be taken to be in league with China and necessary action is taken. The interesting part is that those who are deported head for the West. Unfortunately for them, unlike the lax Indian system and law, the West brooks no nonsense. Hence, the Tibetans who are pro Chinese, when they go to the West, get enamoured by the Western luxuries and become Western tools against the Chinese. Likewise, Urgyen will become a prize catch for the West, when he is deported with all the niceties kept in mind.

After the Dalai Lama goes, Tibet will be up for a massive upheaval. There are many Tibetans (who were born outside Tibet) who are aflame and some even question the Dalai Lama's pacifist approach. I presume they will move in and with the US taking more than usual interest in encircling China, they would be willing tools in the US' game plan.

What if GOI is wrong? Well, you can imagine how tibeten community would think of it.

Tibetans are well aware that they are not citizens of India and that they have refugee status and that mean deportation. They are doing rather well in India and they are not too keen to have a second migration!

So, GOI is doing a great favor for china. Thank you!

Not quite.

I think the headache will be of China when Urgyen moves to the West, where the opportunity to understand the goodness of life is far greater than either India or China!

Lastly, Urgyen's 'escape' from Tibet was too theatrical to be believed.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Karmapa suspected to have Chinese links: Himachal police


SHIMLA: Can a leopard change its spots? This is what seems to be disturbing the Himachal Pradesh police, which in due course of its investigations over the recovery of a large number of foreign currency including Chinese yuan and US dollars from an organization of the 17th Karmapa in the Gyuto Tantric monastery near Sidhbari at Dharamshala, have stumbled upon Chinese connection of not only Ugyen Trinlay Dorje, but also his guru, Tai Situ Rinpoche.

Though DGP Himachal, D S Manhas, told TOI that they had the fullest regards for the religious sentiments of the Tibetan people and even held the 17th Karmapa in high esteem, it had to be ensured that law and order of the country is not infringed and the security of the country not jeopardized. "If law and order is infringed, and the security of the country appears threatened, law has to take its own action", he pointed out.

He said that Tai Situ Rinpoche, who stood third in the Kagyu hierarchy, after the 16th Karmapa and Samar Rinpoche came to India in 1998, after a gap of about four years. "The Govt of India vide its letter of 4 Aug 1998 to the chief secretaries of J & K, Sikkim, Manipur, Assam, Meghalaya, Tripura, Nagaland, Arunachal and Mizoram specifically mentioned that his entry be debarred into their states", he claimed.

Asserting that the obvious reason for banning his entry into these states, except perhaps J & K, could be because of his alleged Chinese connection and that he may ferment trouble in these states, as there was a controversy over the 17th Karmapa, he said that he is now said to be the teacher of Ugyen Trinlay Dorje.

"Besides, when the Govt of India refused permission to the 17th Karmapa to move to Rumtek, Ugyen Trinlay Dorje sent another request that he be allowed to move to Tserabling monastery, which is owned by Tai Situ, but even that permission was refused", he maintained.

Manhas said that when the 16th Karmapa died of cancer in Chicago in Nov 1981, Tai Situ was with him, but he had already started the setting up of his monastery, Tserabling near Baijnath in Himachal Pradesh as early as 1976.

"Incidentally, though Tai Situ is Tibetan, he travels all over on a diplomatic passport issued by the government of Bhutan. How he got it, is anybody's guess", he added.

He said that though it was said that the 16th Karmapa had not left behind a "perdiction letter", Tai Situ claimed to have a copy of the letter, on the basis of which he found Ugyen Trinlay Dorje and was instrumental in his anointment as the 17th Karmapa, which was even recognized by Beijing. "This is the only instance when a high profile Tibetan lama has been recognized by Beijing, and taken to Beijing with his family", he said.

The DGP said that according to the People's Daily, a Chinese daily, the 17th Karmapa at the closure of an official function in Beijing even shouted 'long live People's Republic of China', which indicates that perhaps he had been indoctrinated by the government of that country.

He said that another important factor was that a German national, Roslia Findeisen, a close associate of Tai Situ was externed from India on 28th Nov 1993, allegedly for her Chinese links, but when one Chen Luaan, a politician from Taiwan having pro-People's Republic of China leanings came to India, she also managed to come to the country and meet him.

Manhas said that the main concern of the Himachal Pradesh Police is why is the People's Republic of China is interested in setting up Tibetan monasteries across the Himalayan states close to the border and if there are any linkages or leanings of certain people in these monasteries with the country, as the recovery of the large number of yuan suggests.

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[SHASH2K2]

 

[SHASH2K2]

Bank accounts of Karmapa backed Trust frozen


SHIMLA/DHARAMSALA: Bank accounts of a Trust backed by Karmapa Ugyen Trinley Dorje and its trustees have been frozen in connection with the probe into the seizure of a huge amount of foreign currency from a transit home of the Tibetan spiritual leader.

"It (freezing of bank accounts) is part of the investigation process as bank accounts were being thoroughly screened for money transactions," IGP P L Thakur said today. He refused to divulge further details.

Two trustees Gompu Tshering and Tenzin Namgyal have applied for anticipatory bail, while police have arrested seven persons, including Karma Thapa and his wife Rinzin, in the case so far.

Police had recovered foreign currency worth Rs 7.5 crore during raids on the premises of the Karmapa backed Trust at Gyuto monastery at Sidhbari near Dharamsala after it seized Rs one crore from a vehicle on Una border on January 25 along with documents pertaining to land deals.

While the police and Enforcement Directorate sleuths have quizzed Karmapa and his aides in connection with source of foreign currency, including Chinese currency, the investigating agencies claim to have got vital leads about purchase of benami land plots.

Himachal Pradesh has a stringent law that bans purchase of land by any non-agriculturists including bonafide Himachalis without the permission of the government.

The permission for purchase of land in relaxation of Section 118 of HP Tenancy and Land Reforms Act is given by the government for projects, institution and bonafide Himachalis but the Tibetans, who have a "refugee" status, cannot purchase any land.

Police sources said that some of the deals where land had allegedly been purchased in the name of local people but buyers were not able to disclose the source of money are under scanner and these are suspected to have been purchased by Tibetans.

Chief minister P K Dhumal has told the Tibetan leaders that all benami land transactions would be probed and action would be taken against those facilitating these "illegal" transactions.

Dhumal also apparently snubbed the Tibetan leaders who called on him at Dharamsala yesterday for holding processions and candlelight marches and said that these were "unwarranted".

News and photographs about previous marches have now been removed from the official website of the Karmapa.

Police have so far arrested seven persons-- Ashutosh and Sanjay Dutt at Una border, Shakti Lama, a key functionary of the Trust, Dharamsala based hotelier K P Bharadwaj and manager of Ambala Branch of Corporation Branch D K Dhar and the Thapa couple.

Read more: Bank accounts of Karmapa backed Trust frozen - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-frozen/articleshow/7425563.cms#ixzz1CzwNMNGP
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More trouble for Karmapa as Sidhbarri monastery construction found illegal



DHARAMSALA: There seems to be no end of trouble for 17th Karmapa, Ogyene Trinley Dorjee and head of the Kagyu sect, as the land of Gyuto monastery at Sidhbarri, about 8 kilometres from here, housing Karmapa, has come under scanner. During the course of the ongoing investigations into the seizure of huge haul of foreign currency including Chinese yuan from monastery, it has come to the fore that the construction of monastery on the land at Sidhbarri was illegal and in contravention of the laws. Interestingly, the monastery had been reportedly constructed before 2000, the land for which was purchased on November 15, 2002. The Karmapa had been living here for the past 11 years in the monastery after he was granted refuge by Indian government following his dramatic escape from China in January 2000.

The state government has reportedly not accorded any approval for the purchase of such land and also for the construction of the building on it. The state government has sent a detailed report to the centre in this regard. The monastery had been constructed on a land measuring about 95 Kanals (10 acres) which had been under illegal control of about 70 people and had been registered under the fake names of Arun Dorje ( Mcleodganj )and Prem Singh of Bhuntar( Kullu).

The registration had been executed by revenue officials throwing all norms to the wind. Not only this, the revenue officials allegedly wrongly attested the mutation of 2.5 acres of the land in monastery's control on October 29, 2008 in the name of Prem Singh. The mutation for the remaining land was pending and yet to be done. There is also no mention of the monastery having been constructed on the land in the revenue records. The said land also falls in the category of agriculture land due to which it could be bought only by agriculturists of the state and no other person or organisation without proper permission from the state government as per section 118 of Himachal Pradesh land and tenancy act. The police continues the interrogation of the officials of Karmapa trust in connection with the huge haul of foreign currency recovered from the Gyutso monastery at Sidhbarri, 8 kilometres from here. The officials of the trusts were interrogated on Thursday and earlier on Wednesday. Meanwhile, secretary of Karmapa, Gompa Tsering and Tenzin Namgyal, member of Karmapa trust had applied for a bail before the local court. Their application for bail would be heard on Monday by court.

Dharamsala northern range IG P L Thakur speaking to TOI said interrogations into Karmapa trust officials pertaining to seizure of foreign currency will continue. He said that the land on which Gyuto monastery (Sidhbarri) has been constructed was also investigated. Thakur disclosed that ED directorate has been handed over the documents recovered by the police in regard to the violations made under the Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA) by Karmapa monastery. He said that it was the ED's decision investigate further in regard to the FEM violation by Karmapa monastery and register a case.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ruction-found-illegal/articleshow/7426034.cms

 

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China: Officials Say Tibetan Lama Is Not a Chinese Spy as India Says​

A Chinese official, Xu Zhitao, has denied accusations by Indian officials that a revered Tibetan leader living in India is a spy for the Chinese government, Chinese news reports said this week. Indian officials first accused the Tibetan, the 17th Karmapa Lama, left, of being a spy after Indian police officers seized $1.5 million worth of foreign currency, including Chinese renminbi, last month from the lama's home in Dharamsala. There is a dispute over the Karmapa Lama; a rival candidate who has close ties to Indian intelligence officials claims he is the true lama. Tibetan Buddhism's spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, backs the one in Dharamsala, seen by many Tibetans as a possible future leader.