Dalai Lama refused Visa to South Africa - Rev. Tutu mad at China

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    The More the Chinese suppress and isolate the Dalai Lama - the more the free-minded people of the world hate the Chinese.
    This post from the Guardian UK newspaper shows the ArchBishop Rev. Tutu is blistering in his comments.



    Desmond Tutu attacks South African government over Dalai Lama ban | World news | The Guardian

    Archbishop Desmond Tutu speaks out against the South African government at a press conference in Cape Town.
    Archbishop Desmond Tutu, visibly shaking with anger, compared the South African government unfavourably with the apartheid regime and threatened to pray for the downfall of the African National Congress (ANC) yesterday after the Dalai Lama said he was forced to pull out of Tutu's 80th birthday celebrations because he had not been granted an entry visa.

    "Our government is worse than the apartheid government because at least you would expect it with the apartheid government," Tutu told a press conference in Cape Town. "Our government we expect to be sensitive to the sentiments of our constitution."

    In a tirade that stunned South African journalists, he went on: "Let the ANC know they have a large majority. Well, Mubarak had a large majority, Gaddafi had a large majority. I am warning you: watch out. Watch out.

    "Our government – representing me! – says it will not support Tibetans being viciously oppressed by China. You, president Zuma and your government, do not represent me. I am warning you, as I warned the [pro-apartheid] nationalists, one day we will pray for the defeat of the ANC government."

    Tutu had invited his fellow Nobel peace laureate to deliver a lecture to mark his milestone birthday in Cape Town on Friday. Officials from the archbishop emeritus's office started the visa application processin June but met a series of bureaucratic delays.

    On Tuesday the Dalai Lama's office finally gave up on the application for the 76-year-old. "His holiness was to depart for South Africa on 6 October, but visas have not been granted yet," a spokesperson for the office said. "We are, therefore, now convinced that, for whatever reason or reasons, the South African government finds it inconvenient to issue a visa to … the Dalai Lama."

    Tutu said he was still struggling to make sense of what had happened. "I have to say I can't believe it, I really can't believe it," he exclaimed. "Wake me up and tell me this is actually happening here. It's quite unbelievable. The discourtesy they have shown to the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama!

    "The Dalai Lama, anywhere in the world, they have problems finding a venue that can contain the people who want him. He goes to New York and Central Park is overflowing. The discourtesy is mindblowing."

    Asked if he felt the Tibetan spiritual leader had in effect been banned from the country, Tutu replied: "To all intents and purposes, yes. This is the Dalai Lama. Incredible.

    "Many, many people are appalled in many parts of the world, especially people who supported us during the struggle. They are weeping and saying, 'South Africa? It can't be.'"

    Tutu's daughter, Mpho, said the government's actions had not matched "what we dreamed we would be, who we hoped we would become as a country and as a people". Clearly overcome with emotion, she added: "It is with great sadness that we sit here."

    A candlelit vigil outside the South African parliament in Cape Town on Monday drew about 250 people demanding the Tibetan spiritual leader be allowed into the country. There was bitter disappointment on Tuesday morning when it was announced that the eight-day trip had been called off. Civil rights activists blamed the government.

    Ela Gandhi, who planned to present the Dalai Lama with a peace prize in the name of her grandfather, Mahatma Gandhi, said: "I'm very disappointed. We were looking forward to him coming and to presenting the award. I really feel the whole situation has been handled so badly. It's discourteous for a person of his stature to be told to wait for so long. For a person of peace to be treated like this is wrong."

    She added: "Everybody thinks this is because of pressure from China. It's very sad another country is allowed to dictate terms to our government. It's going back to apartheid times. I am ashamed of my own country."

    South African foreign ministry officials have consistently denied accusations they have been bowing to pressure from Beijing. Asked for his reaction to the Dalai Lama's decision, a spokesman, Clayson Monyela, said: "We don't have a reaction. He's cancelled his trip and that's it. We have not said no. We've not refused him a visa; the visa was still being processed. It's only on 20 September that he submitted his full paperwork. In some countries a visa can take two months. I don't know why people are criticising the government."

    The Dalai Lama visited South Africa in 1996, meeting Nelson Mandela, but was prevented from attending a Nobel laureates' conference in the country two years ago, when the government said his visit would distract from World Cup preparations. At the time, Tutu called the decision disgraceful, and accused the authorities of bowing to pressure from China.

    South Africa's official opposition has added its voice to the criticism of the stalled visa.

    Stevens Mokgalapa, shadow deputy foreign minister for the Democratic Alliance, said: "The inescapable conclusion is that the South African government has predictably strung the Dalai Lama along to make it impossible for him to plan his trip. That way it could avoid making a decision that would either upset the Chinese or upset millions of peace-loving South Africans and citizens around the globe.

    "But by delaying [the visa decision] the government made its choice: it allowed China to dictate foreign policy. This is a sad day for those of us who believe in a sovereign foreign policy based on ubuntu [a humanist philosophy] and human rights. It is not acceptable that the government has allowed a breach of this sovereignty by bowing to pressure from a foreign power."

    While the Dalai Lama is excluded, other leading international activists will join three days of birthday events. The U2 singer Bono is expected to speak at the launch of a biography, Tutu: The Authorised Portrait, in Cape Town on Thursday.

    Bono has also reportedly been invited to join former the US president Jimmy Carter, the former UN secretary general Kofi Annan, and the British businessman Richard Branson at a picnic at a vineyard on Friday. A public church commemoration will be held earlier that day.
     
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    Cowardly western goverments who'd give lectures about human rights but who dont have the courage to stand up to China..
     
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    South Africa is just protecting it's interests. Tibet is not an issue for South Africa which is situated in another continent in another hemisphere, that's a hard fact.
     
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    i foresee very disturbing trend of arming of dharamshala once his holiness dalai lama meets natural riddance of body.

    in the aftermath of his holiness, tibetean buddhist may get lured by extremist buddhist tibetean nationalist who may rise up against chinese rule with arms in hand. china may up its ante against India and if india is caught of the guard then big time losses are predictable.
     
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    Its not a question of being on another continent or hemisphere. If so then why'd America or Europe support Dalai lama when they are half a world away?
    Actually the invitation was not an official function of South African Government but a private function.. And Dalai lama was to go there in his personal capacity and not a official visit as leader of Tibetan refugees.. So South african government had no reason to bar him..
    Also south african government seems to entered to a lot of deals with chinese businesses recently and seem very keen to protect their business interest. And it seems to have forgotten their apartheid past.
    Last time Dalai lama visited south africa was in '96 when then president Mandela curtly told chinese that whom they allow to enter their country is their own personal business..
     
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    Pussies.....
     
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    Hello, Dalai; goodbye Dalai

    Here is Dalai Lama being supported out the back door of Obama's White House.

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    South Africa should not forget that, even though it went against their national interest, many nations supported her against apartheid!

    Maybe they supported people who are merely opportunists pretending to be high on morality.

    What have you to say Micky Mandela?

    Rev Tutu is the real face of Black South Africa and not Mandela.
     
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    Is that the country that is champion of Freedom?

    Yes, Bush's idea of Freedom!
     
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    yes, its a fact that western governments have taken distancing themselves with Tibetan movement after China started flexing its economic muscle.. The list of world leaders who have refused to meet Dalai Lama includes US President Barack Obama, Britism PM Brown, Australian PM Gillard, Dutch PM , Swiss PM, Estonian leadership etc and now South Africans.. South African case is unique in that they plainly refused him Visa..
    It seems that tibetan movement is losing its international support big time.. After all what could an old monk in saffron robes match up against the might and clout of Chinese?
    It seems India is the only power who's got balls to stand up to the Chinese.
     
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    oh, come on, even indian government would not publicly declare its support to delilama.to indian government,lama and tibetain separatists hiding in indian are just pawns in the chess playing with china. compare national interests and monk,a big hokum,which one would you pick?
     
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    yes, human rights of an oppressed people hardly matters when compared to each nations national interests.
    But you are wrong about indian intentions vis a vis Tibet. We do not support Tibetans or Dalai lama as pawns to be played in a game versus chinese.. We support them as a matter of policy, a humanitarian gesture in lieu of the traditions of freedom, democracy and hospitality .. We also give refuge to and supports Afghans, Bangladeshis, Srilankan tamils, burmese dissidents..etc.
     
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    Obama was president at the time the Dalai Lama was escorted out the back door past the garbage bags.

    You do know Bush is not president now, I hope.
     
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    SA is pro Chinese as long as money flowing to their doors..
     
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    Indian govt may not directly say but supports indirectly and remember Indian govt is not like chicom govt that stays in power regardless. Indian govt needs votes from people of India to stay in power or get to form the govt and make no mistake Indians very much care of the well being of tibetan brothers. They should be helped in every way to get freedom from invading chinese.

    what will china do ? invade India and fuck themselves up ? national interests.
     
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    South Africa is turning into some kind of rouge regime supporter. We should start cutting them out until they decide to behave.
     
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    You can start by cutting of nato "best ally" which is just across the border. You don't get more rouge than them.
     
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    south africa no usa who can show eyes to china. they have done it under pressure and this is more than enough for us to calm down and focus on some serious BRICS talk.
     
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    ANC banned the Dalai Lama.Now its Tutu's turn.ANC leadership has forgotten its roots.
    ANC accused of pettiness for excluding Desmond Tutu from Mandela funeral.
    South Africa's ruling party lambasted for not inviting retired archbishop and old Mandela ally turned fierce government critic.
    The Guardian.14 December 2013
    Retired archbishop Desmond Tutu, one of the most prominent figures in the struggle against apartheid in South Africa, has been excluded from the funeral of Nelson Mandela on Sunday in what has been described as a politically motivated snub.
    Critics accused the governing African National Congress (ANC) of looking petty by apparently failing to invite Tutu, one of the most vocal campaigners for Mandela's release from jail during white minority rule.
    An estimated 5,000 guests including Prince Charles, Malawian president Joyce Banda,Chinese Vice President Li Yuanchao, and various other dignitaries will attend the state funeral in Qunu,
    Tutu has become a fierce critic of the ANC in recent years. In 2011 he compared it unfavourably to the apartheid regime and warned that "one day we will pray for the defeat of the ANC government".
    Eyebrows were raised when Tutu's name did not appear on the order of service for Mandela's national memorial service in Johannesburg on Tuesday. He was eventually invited to speak after the main programme, but by then the stadium was virtually empty.
    A spokesman for the Mandelas said: "The family is not involved in who should come and not come at that level. They are busy mourning. It is the state that is encouraging people to attend or not attend. I'm not aware of any exclusion."
    Government ministers in Qunu on Friday were reluctant to comment on the matter.
    ANC spokespeople did not respond to requests for comment.
    The AP comments below:
    The issue highlights occasional frictions between Tutu and the current government of President Jacob Zuma. Two years ago, Tutu, an anti-apartheid hero often described as South Africa's conscience, slammed the ANC-led government as "disgraceful" for not issuing a visa to the Dalai Lama. He said it was worse than the country's former oppressive white regime.
    At that time, South African foreign ministry officials denied they stalled on the visa because of pressure from China, a major trading partner. Tutu, who received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984 for his nonviolent campaign against white racist rule, had invited the Dalai Lama, a fellow Nobel laureate, to South Africa to celebrate Tutu's 80th birthday. The Dalai Lama's office said he was calling off the visit because he didn't expect to get a visa.
    Tutu accused the South African government of failing to side with "Tibetans who are being oppressed viciously by the Chinese." He also charged Zuma with ignoring the contribution religious leaders made to toppling the white Nationalist Party.(From AP)
     
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