Crisis in Tibet - Human rights violations by China

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Sorry, should be:

Sorry, their beloved Dalai Lama had sold their land centuries ago to us, we can't loot sth what belongs to us!

(why the edit function doesn't work?)
 

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China is neo imperialist behaving likes Brits of 19th century... TIBET will be free one day... just like the USSR collapsed and thus set free all the central Asian republics...
 

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China is neo imperialist behaving likes Brits of 19th century... TIBET will be free one day... just like the USSR collapsed and thus set free all the central Asian republics...
Wrong example! When USSR collapsed, the independence of all the asian republics were accpeted by Russia. Actually, Russia was also freed from its obiligation to USSR. If you check USSR's constitution, it gave its members the right to quit. In the case of Tibet, there was no Chinese gov ever agree on that! And there was no Chinese law gave any part of its provinces such right. So, if tibet want to quit, either convince Chinese to accept or force Chinese to accept. Too bad, Tibetans did neither of them. They didn't even tell Chinese their independence officially.
 

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Wrong example! When USSR collapsed, the independence of all the asian republics were accpeted by Russia. Actually, Russia was also freed from its obiligation to USSR. If you check USSR's constitution, it gave its members the right to quit. In the case of Tibet, there was no Chinese gov ever agree on that! And there was no Chinese law gave any part of its provinces such right. So, if tibet want to quit, either convince Chinese to accept or force Chinese to accept. Too bad, Tibetans did neither of them. They didn't even tell Chinese their independence officially.
TIBET was an independent country before its forcible occupation by Chinese, did Chinese asked TIBET before its annexation? Similarly what China thinks is immaterial in this context... Tibetans have to fight for their independence and world supports them in their cause"¦
 

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TIBET was an independent country before its forcible occupation by Chinese, did Chinese asked TIBET before its annexation? Similarly what China thinks is immaterial in this context... Tibetans have to fight for their independence and world supports them in their cause"¦
As I said, the deal was signed by both sides. The termination of the treaty need approval from both sides. The tibetans need to get China to agree either by swords or words. They failed in both ways. Certainly you talk all beauty of the "self-determination", Chinese is not going to give up without a bloody fight. If you are not wiling to sacrify indian blood for this cause, then don't make your shit of "world supports them".
 

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As I said, the deal was signed by both sides. The termination of the treaty need approval from both sides. The tibetans need to get China to agree either by swords or words. They failed in both ways. Certainly you talk all beauty of the "self-determination", Chinese is not going to give up without a bloody fight. If you are not wiling to sacrify indian blood for this cause, then don't make your shit of "world supports them".
This, precisely. To all DFI members who keep harping about how Tibet should be independent, I have one question to ask: who's going to bleed for that mythical independence?
 

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As I said, the deal was signed by both sides. The termination of the treaty need approval from both sides. The tibetans need to get China to agree either by swords or words. They failed in both ways. Certainly you talk all beauty of the "self-determination", Chinese is not going to give up without a bloody fight. If you are not wiling to sacrify indian blood for this cause, then don't make your shit of "world supports them".
Why do one need approval from China for termination of the treaty? Is it written in that treaty? If the people want to be free of the Chinese tyranny & killings why do you want to hold them back? Why are the monks self immolating themselves just for LOVE OF CHINA?

The freedom of TIBET will come by a bloody struggle that is the ONLY way out, nowhere in world countries have got freedom on a silver platter, TIBET will be no exception"¦

India was & is hosting TIBETIAN freedom fighters and their representative government for last 60 years and will continue to do so in future"¦ Those same TIBETIAN freedom fighters also fought for India's cause in 1971 although that is a different context altogether"¦ Indians love TIBETIANS and pray for their well beings and freedom from Chinese tyranny"¦

Now is China willing to put the rest of its country in peril just for barren & desert like TIBET & EAST TURKMINISTAN [XINGJIAN] ? A million dollar question"¦ More so the so called intent to become a super power & match USA will go up the smoke"¦ The discomfort & unease of Chinese authorities of mere mention of the word TIBET proves that integration of TIBET & EAST TURKMENISTAN is not yet complete and final"¦

Now coming to the point of Indian giving their blood for Tibetans"¦ We Indian believe that "One cannot cross the bridge before you get to it""¦ Time is on our side"¦
 
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This, precisely. To all DFI members who keep harping about how Tibet should be independent, I have one question to ask: who's going to bleed for that mythical independence?
To put is simply China will bleed along with TIBET!!
 

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To put is simply China will bleed along with TIBET!!
Who's going to make China bleed? Tibetan separatists in Tibet?

It is awfully difficult to make someone else bleed by setting oneself on fire.
 

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Who's going to make China bleed? Tibetan separatists in Tibet?

It is awfully difficult to make someone else bleed by setting oneself on fire.
Why not ?? Are you not bleeding in East Turkestan ??
 
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Why not ?? Are you not bleeding in East Turkmenistan ??
And also, Uighur separatists don't choose self-immolation as their protest vehicle of choice, presumably because they can do more effective actions. Tibetan separatists have literally no options - if one is Tibetan and has a weapon in the Tibetan plateau, they are immediately jailed, simple as that; plus the standard PAP soldier there carries an assault rifle and body armor, so it's pretty hard to fight them as a civilian :lol:
 

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And also, Uighur separatists don't choose self-immolation as their protest vehicle of choice, presumably because they can do more effective actions. Tibetan separatists have literally no options - if one is Tibetan and has a weapon in the Tibetan plateau, they are immediately jailed, simple as that; plus the standard PAP soldier there carries an assault rifle and body armor, so it's pretty hard to fight them as a civilian :lol:
So you suggest Tibetans learn from Uighur separatists ?
 

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So you suggest Tibetans learn from Uighur separatists ?
No, first off, because Tibetans =/= Tibetan separatists; and two, because if Tibetan separatists did, they'd suffer in far greater numbers than they are today - for the simple fact that Tibet is hermetically sealed by the PAP and PLA - no way to get any weapons onto the plateau. Hence, any armed resistance would be done without modern weapons - imagine knives and spears versus light armor, helicopter gunships, and Predator clones...
 

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PRC is a disaster in the making.

Han populations are controlled, and even within them, there are fewer women for the available men. If Han population is not controlled, PRC will lose its economic momentum. Those Hans who are in East Turkestan or Tibet will on day become isolated minorities and become extremely vulnerable, when Han populations reach an overwhelmingly large proportion of aged people.

Need I say more?
 

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No, first off, because Tibetans =/= Tibetan separatists; and two, because if Tibetan separatists did, they'd suffer in far greater numbers than they are today - for the simple fact that Tibet is hermetically sealed by the PAP and PLA - no way to get any weapons onto the plateau. Hence, any armed resistance would be done without modern weapons - imagine knives and spears versus light armor, helicopter gunships, and Predator clones...
When that happens, the world will know, and PRC will not only get kicked out of UN, but will face embargo from the rest of the world, on which it is so badly dependent for its own economic survival. Moreover, PRC can keep hanging onto those US bonds, which will always be there to haunt PRC and make it toe the west's line. Try anything silly, and the screws will be tightened.
 

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No, first off, because Tibetans =/= Tibetan separatists; and two, because if Tibetan separatists did, they'd suffer in far greater numbers than they are today - for the simple fact that Tibet is hermetically sealed by the PAP and PLA - no way to get any weapons onto the plateau. Hence, any armed resistance would be done without modern weapons - imagine knives and spears versus light armor, helicopter gunships, and Predator clones...
Bomb making has now become a cottage industry around the world.

Serial and simultaneous bombing of facilities and Han majority areas in towns will cause enough of scare that the hermetical sealing will go unsealed.

And then there will be the usual police and military action as was seen before but this time it will be more repressive, and it will expose China for what it is worth and will lose China international goodwill to include that of nations in Africa.
 

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No, first off, because Tibetans =/= Tibetan separatists; and two, because if Tibetan separatists did, they'd suffer in far greater numbers than they are today - for the simple fact that Tibet is hermetically sealed by the PAP and PLA - no way to get any weapons onto the plateau. Hence, any armed resistance would be done without modern weapons - imagine knives and spears versus light armor, helicopter gunships, and Predator clones...
So confident you are but your CCP is sensitive and shows unease on mere mention of TIBET... this shows you are not in full control of TIBET...
 

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