Creating Ukraine like revolution in India - Foreign nexus plan

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  1. chase

    chase Tihar Jail Banned

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    'A plausible American tactic,' Rajeev Srinivasan suspects, 'would be to try and prevent the BJP and Modi from coming to power by splitting the anti-Congress vote using the AAP, and in case that fails, to follow up with a Plan B to make India ungovernable, to create mass conflict through their agents.'

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    Thus, it is a matter of great concern when Americans want to fix India. Much of the time, India is peripheral to the US foreign policy establishment, except when they are annoyed with it (as in the Nixon-Kissinger days) or they are trying to sell some snake oil to it (as in the much-ballyhooed case of the 'nuclear deal', which was, to digress for a minute, a selling out of India's national security in exchange for virtually nothing).

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    Therefore, it is alarming that a group at the University of California, Berkeley's business school is toiling on a project to 'create a policy and protocol framework for protecting people's rights in situations of internal armed conflict and mass violence' in India.

    The context, of course, is that there have been persistent rumours that the US has 'assets' high in the Indian government. The long-sustained (but just-lifted) boycott of Narendra Modi (allegedly because a group of leftists and Muslims in the US were upset) is another indication that the US does have an interest in the 2014 Indian election: They do have a dog in this fight.


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    The time will come when America can dictate to India, and expect to be obeyed - Rediff.com India News
     
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  3. jackprince

    jackprince Turning into a frog Senior Member

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    By any long shot US of A cannot control India. India is too big and too diverse to be leashed by any outside power - directly or indirectly. Further, the Indian Army, when totally obedient to it's democratically elected political master, is no way an entity which would bow down to any Kiev-like hooligan govt. Moreover, when Delhi is the Indian political capital, the de-centralization of political power for last 2-3 decades, is also a huge factor that would ensure that any of the 'Springs' that any foreign govt. may attempt would fail.

    Most importantly, when many disagree, the fact remains that the political awareness and involvement to politics itself, is very high among the Indians; and when others may not believe, the foundation of democracy is very strong - and the diversity of this nation itself makes it stronger. No longer any single person or political entity can run this nation like a dictator with impunity.

    Most of the nations where the various 'Springs' have taken root did not have a strong democracy, but India is altogether a different ballgame. Frankly, I believe that most of the western 'experts' can hardly ever understand to varied and numerous ebbs and flows that occurs in Indian politics/society.

    Anyway, the west actually had their chance and a good run with controlling India by proxy (that too I am talking out of spite) when the Con-Gress was in power. The new regime is not going to be very malleable towards west.
     
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    chase Tihar Jail Banned

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    Read the book 'Breaking India' or see Rajiv Malhotra's videos on youtube.
    There is a missionary-naxal-jihadi nexus whose combined effect and common goal is to destabilize India and they have been succesfull like in North East. The threat is real!
     
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    Uncle wishes to control India but ,also understands the risk of directly meddling in India as 1.2 billion Indians can become enemies and remember the hurt for next 200 years. Uncle loves profits and it can hurt his profit ....so I don't think there will be a direct Ukraine style meddling by the West in India.
    That does not mean there will be no indirect meddling ....like using Paki as proxy to create chaos in Kashmir...instigating religious hatred by provoking Muslims and so forth. This is not new...If you remember..during 70s and 80s, all these tricks were used against India. Movements supported indirectly by Uncle and directly by Paki include Khalistan and Kashmir. Indira Gandhi was very smart (just like Vladimir Putin)...so these proxy wars failed.
    Biggest one is creating huge rift between India and China and make them enemies of each other...so both can be controlled by West. I hope Indian politicians and military remains vigilant to these old,dirty tricks of the West.
     
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    ubuntu Tihar Jail Banned

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    After seeing todays AAP playing victim card.I think north India is doomed.
     
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    I have already feared that with rise of AAP - India is moving towards Ukraine like situation.
    But even I didnot expected things to escalate this quick.
    today's events and lies of AAP are prequel to worse things waiting to happen.

    My take - AAP's lawlessness will be get intensified as elections approach. There was a report before 2013 assembly elections that Congress is preparing to rig EVM. Exceptionally High turnouts in elections points that they already tired it (in favor of bjp). Lok sabha elections will see a complete turnaround in results. Congress will emerge as single largest party - defeating bjp in about 100 seats by margins of less than 5000 votes. AAP will support congress to form govt and people will come to streets over this large scale election rigging. Thus, A long period of anarchy will dawn on India.
     
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    You are joking,,,right? Congress will be getting less than 100 seats. BJP will get over 200 seats. No anarchy business in India. India will emerge stronger in next 5 years with trade going up and up with its neighboring countries.. Come on..do you want to bet?
     
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    This looks more like a case study considering so many things happen in India, so not really alarming.

    West usually wants everything to be standardized so it becomes simpler to analyze (like this framework) but won't help them considering how different India can be state-wise. This seems more like a pseudo-intellectual project to further some careers and gain brownie points more then anything else as with everything related to world of academia.

    From the Berkley university site :

    Armed Conflict Resolution in India | Research | ImpactMBA

    "The regions of Jammu & Kashmir, Manipur, and Chhattisgarh are differently but persistently affected by conflict, with conflict-related issues intermittently occurring in Punjab. Additionally, areas such as Gujarat and Odisha have been impacted by far-reaching violence on minority communities in recent history.

    These conflicts are spurred by a myriad of issues, including cultural and communal identity, religionization, self-determination, and economic empowerment. Such conflicts can have far-reaching human impact and lead to intense psychosocial and economic suffering of civilian populations in the affected areas, collapse of responsible governance, development, and social protection mechanisms, and can also have a broader disruptive effect impacting national, regional, and global security.

    The importance of this project lies in the fact that nothing close to a policy framework with attendant protocols currently exists in India that protects civilians and their rights in areas of armed conflict and mass violence, in a way that is consistent with India’s legal, ethical, and constitutional obligations, even as brutal conflicts and suffering continue. "
     
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    Thinkers...do you know why they study conflicts inside foreign nations? So that they can use these potential conflicts, instigate these rival groups and
    create civil war..like they did in Syria, Ukraine, Egypt etc. In the guise of academia, basically, these are their sinister tecniques to weaken a nation by
    taking advantage of internal divisions of that nation. And, then they come out with aid packages to put a human face on themselves..using IMF,World Bank and even, UN . Their minds are evil and very complicated...leaders like Putin, Indira Gandhi ,Modi ..who understand their crooked methods are hated by them and their paid media churns out false ,one sided propaganda day in and day out..to intimidate and scare you all.
    Democracy is good when it suits them, dictatorship is good when it suits them...Greed is their only value....profit is their only goal...they want you to practice Gandhian non violence but they keep making most destructive weapons more and more. It's using Gandhi's name to mislead you and keep you weak and vulnerable. Look inside their minds and you will find stinking hypocracy, deception, greed, opportunism and many other kinds of filth.
    They preach freedom and liberty but want to enslave the Human race by technology....time to wake up and face the reality.
     
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    To be fair, Uncle Sam does the same to Israel. It's called "Land for Peace."
     
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    Could not find that here...did I miss it?

    University of California Berkeley, Haas School of Business
     
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    OK, I should have read thethinker's post first.
     
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    The Working Group Members

    These people are all NRI, right?
     
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    The US will not be able to pull off a Ukraine style Molotov-cocktail coup in India. The reasons are plenty:
    • India has a massive population.
    • It is as chaotic as Afghanistan, when it comes to public life.
    • It is as sophisticated as some NATO members, when it comes to military.
    • It has a multitude of news outlets, mostly independent, that thrive on excitement and hyperbole, to compete with each other.
    • It has a population that can radicalize and coalesce together very soon at the first perceived slight.
    • It has millions of internet savvy English speaking population that will defeat any media propaganda in the world.
     
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    It will not succeed in India because most Indians are passive or submissive by nature. Look at how they are submitting themselves in droves to almost inhuman working conditions in some Middle Eastern/Gulf countries?
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    One thing I certainly know is that Pakistan and China (USA too) does not want BJP and Modi to win elections because of Modi's pro-India policies. BJP at the center will try to cut the imports which is bad for these countries and development of India is directly against the interest of Pakistan and China.

    So now it's up to the Indian voters what to do!
     
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    I must admit you have a very keen observations... :)
     
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    Indeed Modi & BJP alike are India's new WMD that scares shit out of Chinese.

    I used to assume Indian voters were sophisticated enough to know the difference btwn election campaign language and policies to roll out when in office.

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    The day Indians stop forming conspiracy theories about foreign nations taking over India and start thinking like a big nation will be the day.
     

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