Crack in Congress; Pranab unhappy with PM's offer

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  1. S.A.T.A

    S.A.T.A Senior Member Senior Member

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    Crack in Congress; Pranab unhappy with PM's offer

    Delhi, Jan 2: The logjam between Congress led UPA government and Opposition parties over JPC/PAC probe in 2G spectrum scam is no longer a new issue. But this time it created differences in Congress itself as Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee stated that he is not happy with PM's decision.

    Mr Mukherjee on Sunday, Jan 2 expressed that he is not convinced with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's decision of appearing before the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) for the investigation in 2G spectrum scandal.


    During Congress' plenary meeting in New Delhi, the Prime Minister stated, "I have nothing to hide from the public and as a proof of my bonafides, I intend to write to the chairman of the PAC that I shall be happy to appear before the PAC if it chooses to ask me to do so."

    In response to the PM's offer to appear before the PAC, the finance minister also claimed that Singh should not appear before any committee as he (PM) is responsible to Parliament.

    "It is not correct to say that government did not take steps against corruption. We have already ordered a probe (PAC) into 2G controversy," stated Pranab.

    On the other side, BJP with other Opposition parties continued with their adamant demand of Joint Parliamentary Committee (JPC) investigation in the second generation telecom scam.

    Commenting on Opposition's JPC demand, Mr Mukherjee also said, "What is JPC? Is it coming from the heavens? I do not find any logic or justification in setting up a JPC."

    "They (Opposition) should come back in the session. They should bring back normalcy. They should co-operate. We are always ready to listen to them,' he added.
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    No matter how powerful Evil is; it has to come to and end. Congress is no exception.
     
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    No one else will be more happy than me to see congress disintegrate into pieces . We need more and more differences coming out in public. They have ruined us for more than 50 years and its time for them to go to hell .
     
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    Political trick. Pranab Mukherjee is actually saying that PM shouldn't submit himself and he is above suspicion, in effect he is raising MMS's stature and mocking the opposition.
     
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    MMS is great economist leader now we want a socialist leader
     
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    sandeepdg Senior Member Senior Member

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    Its my personal opinion that there's nobody in India who can be a more capable PM as Dr. Manmohan Singh as of now, no matter what anyone else may think. All other parties are as corrupt as Congress if not more, and the BJP is no exception, a bunch of old, narrow minded, communal fools. The only person I ever had respect for in BJP, was ex-PM Atal Behari Vajpayee. He was a strong and intelligent leader.
     
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    S.A.T.A Senior Member Senior Member

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    PM Singh has been in charge of govt which over saw two of the biggest scams in contemporary indian history,we are yet to ascertain the depth of the money involved in the CWG and 2G scams.A capable PM would have nipped it in the bud.While Dr Singh's past image is clean and thus he might get the benefit of doubt for now,Its certainly unbelievable that the highest chief executive of the country,with access to unlimited information(take the examples of the Radia tape,his govt was sitting on this information for years)had no inkling of the kind graft that was being perpetrated by key functionary of his central team.Whether Dr Singh had no preview that a scam was being perpetrated,or the fact that he knew but failed to crack the whip,it simply illustrates the fact that he displayed incompetence as a leader.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I believe that as per the rule, no Minister or PM can appear before the PAC unless it is sanctioned by the Speaker.

    Therefore, it that be correct, what is Pranab worried about?

    Meira Kumari is hardly the type who will rock the boat for after all she is enjoying her tenure of warming the Speaker's chair.
     
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    @ S.A.T.A.,

    I agree with what you said, but I think he is more handicapped by Sonia Gandhi. He is not corrupt and he is capable, but he is not able to carry out his responsibilities properly, because the actual power center of the government is Mrs. Gandhi, and not the PM. I agree that he is not strong, which is the reason I liked Mr. AB Vajpayee, he was a strong leader despite his age and health.
     
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    This article should open Pranab's eye why the PM should appear before the PAC as a starter,

     
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    Your description of Dr Singh's predicament is correct,this is exactly where all pretenders to 'leadership' often find themselves when leadership is thrust upon them rather than earned.A good leader is not just somebody with long list of academic credentials or squeaky clean public image,it involves several complex and sometimes mutually contradictory leadership traits garnered over a lengthy political career.Its clear Dr Singh's present problems stems from the fact that he is beholden to Sonia Gandhi for his leadership,this a case of absentee leadership.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is true that Manmohan was and is a political non entity who is being propped up as some say just to keep the seat warm till Rahul Gandhi comes of political age!

    While one would not like to believe such a contention, but the structured meteoric rise and wide exposure to include the clamour for 'Rahulji' to take over the reins does raise credence to the idea of that the seat is merely being kept warm!
     
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    u know when i read this thread title, i was about to make this exact same comment. but this evil is not so easy to be beaten. satan has his own plans. we all need to be united in the coming years to beat it. im doing my bit.

    edit : this post was quoted to tshering22
     
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    Its becoming increasingly clear that PM Dr Singh's letter making himself available to the Public Accounts Committee to answer any question regarding the 2G spectrum allocation was done in the Prime minister's personal capacity,hence Pranab Mukherjee's apparent surprise.This also suggests the opposition to the setting up the JPC is not from the PMO's office but from the congress high command,either to prevent its own skulls from coming tumbling down the cupboard,or DMK has turned on pressure to prevent a JPC probe.
     
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    I beg to differ with many of our Honorable members here

    Though Accountability is a Convenient Virtue practiced in Indian Politics ,Little has been done by any Political parties Be it BJP OR Congress in the yester Years or in the Post Independent Era in doing enough justice within the context of Corruption. I'm no less different of personal View that the current spectrum issue need to be addressed in the most appropriate way to bring in the culprits to justice involved for cause of the predicament Where Congress is in taking. When the Human culpability factor and the appropriateness of allocating the spectrum remains the crux of the issue to be Investigated ,Obsession for JPC -only attitude Would make a Huge difference in the future affairs..I'm not sure.???


    Stalling the parliamentary proceedings and derailing Democratic process unduly is primarily a premature Undertaking in the name of JPC and itself dwarfs the real Objective , But a political tweaking by the opposition. When A ruling party who won two consecutive General elections with needed Majority to run the Government in the parliament even advised for a Debate in the floor of parliament for the pros/cons of the necessity of JPC was duly dismissed by the opposition when it has a different standard and approach towards Karnataka CM’s allegations. How this can be justified?


    Had BJP was in the same position, would they agree for JPC or even PAC, as the onus of running a bureaucratic system of such Magnitude needs a lot of political compromises( which is not only well within the Purview Of PM’s execution )but Concerned party’s interests too and the very motive of bringing PM into the probing Picture by the opposition for indirect accountability can gain anything substantially is debatable only.

    If that was the case ,would they be Glad to probe the then PM - Honorable Atalji in the 2002 famous coffin scam case involved by the then Defence Minister George Fernandes though everyone got vindicated later. I think it’s a Bad precedent setting for the Obsession for a specific probe to stop the proceedings of the parliament and dragging PM into the affairs overlooking the whole Democratic processand interests of the country.

    And Its Quite natural only to have a difference in opinion between the Senior members of any National party when theres a political obsession by the opposition when they chase the leaders than its Real objectives.
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    ^^I never said that BJP is an angel. It has its own problems as well of corruption. But when you have 3 devils, the least is often the best option to choose as a role model and improve upon. NDA government has been a better and more decisive government in power and foreign policy management. It has treated friends as friends and enemies as enemies rather than treating all of them like our masters. Earlier our economy under them wasn't so good as today so maybe with the maturing of NDA now, we might see a better management.

    The Third Front is worst of all... even Con-Scam party seems to be angelic in front of them...LOL.

    Remember, it is always easier to clean a dusty cloth than washing a tar-dipped one.

    Also remember that 3 times consecutive win of any party no matter how successful (which UPA is certainly NOT to such an extent), leads to weakening of true democracy as opposition grows weaker and gradually the country descends to untold dictatorship.

    This is why in the Cold War era, Con-Scam party was a monopoly in politics since it played on silly Gandhian philosophy in the minds of then simple and less literate Indians and won repeatedly. The last thing we want is the collapse of democratic system.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I am apolitical.

    I am fed up with the drama of the political parties.

    Pranab maybe unhappy with Manmohan.

    I am unhappy with them all!
     
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    Sandeepdg sometimes I am inclined to concur with this view, also espoused by Steve Coll here.

    Alas, we will only find out after MMS's gone whether he was a great or bad leader.
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    I would disagree, the cult of Nehru-Gandhi-Congress has actually somewhat kept us from disintegrating in our prime. Look at Pakistan post Jinnah. And its not like other political parties are goody-goody. Congress has the most muck perhaps because it has ruled the longest ?

    Our system gives far too much powers to politicians, Ministers should be supervising the bureaucrats, not ordering them what to do.

    And we have no system of political debates. Iin US and UK for eg there are just 2 main political parties/political ideologies; the media, the people, the politicians, the bureaucracy is all divided along those lines. In India we have hundreds of parties, and we like to back the winning horse.

    Congress is a reality, Rahul Gandhi inspite of having the intellectual prowess of a 12th Pass, will rule India and its not because Congress is evil, its because of the people and the system.


    Our system generally tends not to produce the kind of leader you and I desire.
     
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    It proved mms is a puppet ,and he has to consult his madam and coleagues
     
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    I hate congress because they were the one who ruled us since independence . They are the one who are responsible for work culture of bureaucracy . All political corruption and use of money power is gift of congress tow hole nation. Others are just trying to match fire with fire . I doubt even Englishmen/ foreign invaders looted us more than we were looted in Congress regime. It was congress rule when constitution of India was written and they didn't opt for 2 party system as it will not give them much opportunity of divide and rule.

    Congress pretend to be a secular party but they have taken more lives than any other party. Kashmir and 1962 is a gift from Congress and also terrorism in Punjab and NE is another gift from them . No one in this country can ever forget Emergency and riots of 1984 . I was just 2-3 years old but I still remember bleeding skull of my uncle who got hurt while trying to protect a Sikh family in next building. They are neither secular and are most corrupt and has no right to rule. Other alternative may be equally corrupt but at least that will not be congress and I will be happy . Congress should be weakened to strengthen the India .
     

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