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[OneGrimPilgrim]

Univ. of Gujarat, has a campus in Pakistan too?!
@VIP, @HariPrasad-1

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Unfortunate Incident Between Chinese Engineers Working On CPEC And Police

Multan: Heavy contingents of police beat Chinese engineers who were working on the China Pakistan Economic Project (CPEC) at the Multan-Sukkur Motorway in Shujaabad where Chinese engineers have their base camp over the continuation of work. Two Chinese engineers had sustained major injuries and the others had minor injuries in Moza Chaddhar in Shujaabad said an inside source.

It was said that police smashed the fingers of Chinese engineer Leu while another engineer Chwoo had serious injuries on his back. About 20 Chinese workers were working in the area and the government provided them residence at the Multan PC Colony on Sher Shah Road. Chinese workers decided to continue working on Tuesday night at 11:30 on the base camp. Chief Security Office Inspector Yousaf Haroon raised objections on their stay without an NOC(& hafta) and demanded that they leave the site.

CSO Raja Ram (

Raa Agent)forced the Chinese workers to leave the site. SHO Muhammad also Ashraf exchanged hot words and beat the workers while receiving minor injuries himself. The Chinese workers told the police they wanted to stay and finish the work.

The Acting SP Operations Multan, Rizwan Ahmad has said that the matter does not concern him and CPO Azhar Ikram would be investigating the matter. Azhar was contacted for a comment however he wasn’t available. The SHO Ashraf said the incident happened in Basti Malok jurisdiction. A Chinese interpreter also refused to comment on the incident.

Comments:

Ahmad says:
Aug 26, 2016

I’m feeling so embarrassed right now. China, we’re sorry!
We have the worst police in the world. They behave even worse with us.
Army should take the security of our esteemed guests in its own hands.
Peace!

interpreter says:
Aug 26, 2016

sameer , i had been working with chinese as translator/interpretor .its and obligation for chinese worker to listen to their COS and there are about 20 points of the security memo given by SPU(special police unit) for the security of chinese ,if any one point is not fulfilled CSO can ask them to go back . and ironically many chinese engineer take these point or the presence of police for their security pointless and many times behave impolitely .
so i recommend you not to judge this incidence on the basis of that chinese are doing so good for us (investing 46 $bn) ,its more for their own interst . moreover u can judge them on just one day story .who knows earlier how many times police may have warned them or given them the extension to work for longer period of time.

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[OneGrimPilgrim]

What's meaning of writing China-Pak together? We are concerned about only one, who can and is doing.

OTOH its totally meaningful for us to view them together. pakistan can no longer be viewed as separate from china. they are a single entity today as far as India is concerned and that is how we have to treat them. the events of last few years (not just Modiji's two years but even UPA's last term) go to show that china changed course significantly from being just a staunch benefactor of pakistan into converting pakistan as its protectorate.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

5 Reasons Gwadar Port Trumps Chabahar
China and Pakistan’s port at Gwadar will see smoother sailing than India and Iran’s alternative.

In New Delhi’s latest bid to flex its economic muscles, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Iran last month and signed an agreement to develop the $500 million Chabahar port. The port, if materialized, would be a gateway for Indian goods into Central Asia. This is indeed a remarkable agreement but every strategic move faces strategic impediments, and Chabahar is no exception. Only 72 kilometers away lies Pakistan’s Gwadar port, which itself holds greater significance and poses tangible economic, commercial, and strategic challenges to Chabahar. Here are five ways Gwadar outflanks Chabahar:

1. Experience: This is the first time India has plunged into a foreign port development venture with such vigor. Chabahar is a geographical reach for New Delhi, since it is not in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) where India not only has several functional ports (Mumbai, Kolkata, and Goa) but has the shield of Indian Navy also. In Chabahar India would be a guest state, whose borders and territorial waters are at a much greater distance. Moreover, the vessels transporting goods to Chabahar would also be subject to the active monitoring of the Pakistani Navy, which would keep a hawk-eyed watch on the high seas and adjacent international waters. On the contrary, Gwadar is not only developed by China — which has a wealth of experience in overseas infrastructure projects — but the government of Pakistan has handed over the control of port to China. Tehran won’t do the same, at least judging by the existing agreement with India.

2. Security: After Chabahar in Iran, the next stop for Indian goods will be Afghanistan, and then subsequently to the Central Asian states. Although India has enjoyed cordial terms with the successive post-2001 governments of Afghanistan together with its $2 billion investment there, the security situation is inadequate in major areas. Besides, the Taliban, the major insurgent group in Afghanistan has no love for India, since the latter historically supported the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. Gwadar too is witnessing security issues, since Balochistan province is subject to low-scale belligerency. Still, the scope and extent of separatist brawls in the area have decreased in recent years while many militant groups have voluntarily surrendered to security agencies.

3. The Iran Question: One year after the Iran signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the P5+1 states, the deal has not lived up to expectations. Iran recently launched a nuclear-capable missile, violating a UN Security Council resolution (which prohibits any Iranian nuclear launch or test). Further, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has vowed that Iran “will not cooperate with America over the regional crisis, Their aims in the region are 180 degrees opposed to Iran’s.” Given this scenario, the prospect of lifting of all sanctions on Iran is again in doubt. The uncertainty regarding sanctions could undeniably have negative consequences for the India-Iran Chabahar deal. Gwadar has no such problems. There are no restrictions on China’s investment anywhere nor is Pakistan subject to any kind of UN sanctions. Furthermore, China holds veto power on the UN Security Council — thus even in the case of a proposed resolution that could impact Gwadar, China could veto the move and continue its economic ventures with Pakistan.

4. The Afghanistan Pressure Point: Despite enhanced Indo-Afghan diplomatic, political, and economic connections, Pakistan’s role and influence in Afghanistan has not withered. Though the central government of Afghanistan leans more toward India, Pakistan has connections with several ethnic groups who represent a major portion of Afghan society. Additionally, Pakistan and China are vigorously working together on the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which culminates in Gwadar. China would not want such a huge investment going to waste. Thus there is every possibility that Beijing and Islamabad join hands to obstruct the political and economic maze of Afghanistan, so as to obstruct India’s dreams of reaching Central Asia. Pakistan could also see an India-Iran covert partnership to cause dysfunction in Gwadar, but Tehran would likely refrain as it is trying to pacify relations with its neighbors and the international community in the wake of 2015 agreement. Any entanglement with Pakistan would also endanger the eastern border of Iran.

5. Partnerships and Rivalries: There is no economic competition between Pakistan and China. Chinese investment in Pakistan is also aimed at boosting trade with the rest of Asia, and Pakistan won’t become a hurdle in China’s quest to reach the Middle East and Persian Gulf . That’s because Pakistan is currently on the receiving end of a huge Chinese investment, which will revamp Pakistan’s feeble economic structure. The infrastructural development at Gwadar at the CPEC in general will help Pakistan to enhance trade with both China and the Middle East, but this doesn’t necessarily mean it would interrupt the flow of Chinese trade and goods to the same destination. However, the Iran-India dynamic is different. After the July 2015 agreement, Tehran is trying its level best to come into the mainstream international arena by accelerating trade in order to put its jammed economic wheel back on track. Iran will not allow India’s Central Asian dream to come true at the cost of Iranian interests.

Whether Gwadar or Chabahar, the developments of both ports can assist millions of people. Gwadar may well hold a slight edge because of its importance and utility, but it can produce best results only when there are no major regional threats. The same goes for Chabahar. Economic cooperation and integration is what’s needed in South Asia and even beyond. That, however, demands enhanced cooperation among all involved parties and the dissolution of all outstanding strategic and political misunderstandings.

Writer seems to be from tabloid Times of Islamabad.
Well, I have pointed it out earlier, just 1.96% of investment invested by China in pak, it's clear that Chabahar and trilateral railways are just few attempts to get inside central Asian and Russian market somehow, purely economic, but some morons make everything strategic.:biggrin2:
Though, I can argue at every point, I would want @amoy to think over second point for themselves too.
The Security

Muhammad Daim Fazil is Lecturer of International Relations and Political Science at University of Gujrat, Sialkot Campus, Pakistan. He tweets @DaimFazil.

Nearly expected.
Now, a days, they are writing Foreign Policy that how India's intervention in Baluchistan will hit back and why India shouldn't involve in SCS in Dawn.

 

[Bahamut]

5 Reasons Gwadar Port Trumps Chabahar
China and Pakistan’s port at Gwadar will see smoother sailing than India and Iran’s alternative.

In New Delhi’s latest bid to flex its economic muscles, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Iran last month and signed an agreement to develop the $500 million Chabahar port. The port, if materialized, would be a gateway for Indian goods into Central Asia. This is indeed a remarkable agreement but every strategic move faces strategic impediments, and Chabahar is no exception. Only 72 kilometers away lies Pakistan’s Gwadar port, which itself holds greater significance and poses tangible economic, commercial, and strategic challenges to Chabahar. Here are five ways Gwadar outflanks Chabahar:

1. Experience: This is the first time India has plunged into a foreign port development venture with such vigor. Chabahar is a geographical reach for New Delhi, since it is not in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) where India not only has several functional ports (Mumbai, Kolkata, and Goa) but has the shield of Indian Navy also. In Chabahar India would be a guest state, whose borders and territorial waters are at a much greater distance. Moreover, the vessels transporting goods to Chabahar would also be subject to the active monitoring of the Pakistani Navy, which would keep a hawk-eyed watch on the high seas and adjacent international waters. On the contrary, Gwadar is not only developed by China — which has a wealth of experience in overseas infrastructure projects — but the government of Pakistan has handed over the control of port to China. Tehran won’t do the same, at least judging by the existing agreement with India.

2. Security: After Chabahar in Iran, the next stop for Indian goods will be Afghanistan, and then subsequently to the Central Asian states. Although India has enjoyed cordial terms with the successive post-2001 governments of Afghanistan together with its $2 billion investment there, the security situation is inadequate in major areas. Besides, the Taliban, the major insurgent group in Afghanistan has no love for India, since the latter historically supported the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. Gwadar too is witnessing security issues, since Balochistan province is subject to low-scale belligerency. Still, the scope and extent of separatist brawls in the area have decreased in recent years while many militant groups have voluntarily surrendered to security agencies.

3. The Iran Question: One year after the Iran signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the P5+1 states, the deal has not lived up to expectations. Iran recently launched a nuclear-capable missile, violating a UN Security Council resolution (which prohibits any Iranian nuclear launch or test). Further, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has vowed that Iran “will not cooperate with America over the regional crisis, Their aims in the region are 180 degrees opposed to Iran’s.” Given this scenario, the prospect of lifting of all sanctions on Iran is again in doubt. The uncertainty regarding sanctions could undeniably have negative consequences for the India-Iran Chabahar deal. Gwadar has no such problems. There are no restrictions on China’s investment anywhere nor is Pakistan subject to any kind of UN sanctions. Furthermore, China holds veto power on the UN Security Council — thus even in the case of a proposed resolution that could impact Gwadar, China could veto the move and continue its economic ventures with Pakistan.

4. The Afghanistan Pressure Point: Despite enhanced Indo-Afghan diplomatic, political, and economic connections, Pakistan’s role and influence in Afghanistan has not withered. Though the central government of Afghanistan leans more toward India, Pakistan has connections with several ethnic groups who represent a major portion of Afghan society. Additionally, Pakistan and China are vigorously working together on the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which culminates in Gwadar. China would not want such a huge investment going to waste. Thus there is every possibility that Beijing and Islamabad join hands to obstruct the political and economic maze of Afghanistan, so as to obstruct India’s dreams of reaching Central Asia. Pakistan could also see an India-Iran covert partnership to cause dysfunction in Gwadar, but Tehran would likely refrain as it is trying to pacify relations with its neighbors and the international community in the wake of 2015 agreement. Any entanglement with Pakistan would also endanger the eastern border of Iran.

5. Partnerships and Rivalries: There is no economic competition between Pakistan and China. Chinese investment in Pakistan is also aimed at boosting trade with the rest of Asia, and Pakistan won’t become a hurdle in China’s quest to reach the Middle East and Persian Gulf . That’s because Pakistan is currently on the receiving end of a huge Chinese investment, which will revamp Pakistan’s feeble economic structure. The infrastructural development at Gwadar at the CPEC in general will help Pakistan to enhance trade with both China and the Middle East, but this doesn’t necessarily mean it would interrupt the flow of Chinese trade and goods to the same destination. However, the Iran-India dynamic is different. After the July 2015 agreement, Tehran is trying its level best to come into the mainstream international arena by accelerating trade in order to put its jammed economic wheel back on track. Iran will not allow India’s Central Asian dream to come true at the cost of Iranian interests.

Whether Gwadar or Chabahar, the developments of both ports can assist millions of people. Gwadar may well hold a slight edge because of its importance and utility, but it can produce best results only when there are no major regional threats. The same goes for Chabahar. Economic cooperation and integration is what’s needed in South Asia and even beyond. That, however, demands enhanced cooperation among all involved parties and the dissolution of all outstanding strategic and political misunderstandings.

Muhammad Daim Fazil is Lecturer of International Relations and Political Science at University of Gujrat, Sialkot Campus, Pakistan. He tweets @DaimFazil.

Iran is not allowed to develop weapons grade uranium, there is no ban on missile. They r 2 different things

 

[sorcerer]

IDN TAKE: CHINA HAS DUPED PAKISTAN ON CHINA-PAKISTAN ECONOMIC CORRIDOR

by Brigadier Arun Bajpai (Retd)

Pakistan is now slowly realising that its friendship with China which Pakistan claims is higher than mountains and deeper than oceans, the same China has quietly duped Pakistan in the name of providing security and economic prosperity by their project CPEC. The 46 Billion dollar investment by China in China Pak Economic Corridor (CPEC) which will connect Khasgar town of mineral rich restive Xinxiang province of China with Gwador port of Pakistan located on Arabian sea, via rail and road routes passing through POK and Baluchistan province of Pakistan, a total distance of 3000 kms, is not such a big panacea which Pakistan has been tom toming about. This entire project basically benefits China with Pakistan getting some crumbs thrown at it with exorbitant costs.


Out of the 46 Billion dollar that china is investing in Pakistan on CPEC only 11 billion dollars are coming from the Chinese governmental funds .These 11 billion dollars will be invested in construction of roads and rail links. In this also China will be repaid 80 % cost by Pakistan and Chinese contribution is only 20%. In this construction work, bulk of construction force will be of Chinese people including Chinese labour. In other words despite paying back 80% of the cost of construction the jobs will go to Chinese and not the Pakistanis during construction. The role of Pakistan will be to provide security to this entire project for which Pakistani army will provide the wherewithal’s whose cost again Pakistan will bear. So it is win win situation for China and not Pakistan.

The worst is the balance of 35 billion dollars which are being invested by China for construction of power houses in Pakistan, along this corridor. This entire money is coming from Chinese private sector. In all the electricity produced in Pakistan by this project Pakistani consumer will have to pay 27% extra cost which will go to the Chinese private sector for the money they have invested in Pakistan. This investment is a total business proposition and Chinese government does not come into it .they have only facilitated this deal. What is even more funny is that all these power plants will be coal based.

This coal will not be the local one which is available cheap but will come from China with less ash and environment pollution. In other words the power produced by these plants the cost of production will hit the sky and to make it viable to be affordable to aam adami of Pakistan the government of Pakistan will have to subsidise it in a big way. With Pakistan economy in dol drums how Pakistan will do it? only they can answer. Here again it is win win situation for China but not Pakistan.


What is even more intriguing is that China says that CPEC is not meant for any other country and that this opening of land route from Gwadar Port of Pakistan is to facilitate move of oil and other resources from Gulf region to China which would be shorter so cheaper. A recent analysis has shown that movement of oil from gulf by oil by Tankers via sea route to China works out 11 times cheaper than the same moved from land route via Pakistan once CPEC is ready. So why China is so keen on this CPEC and land route? Simple China is opening this route at the cost of Pakistan so that should the America & India coalition block the Malacca Straight entry into South China sea in the time of tension , which they can any day do it, then China will have an alternative route for oil imports via CPEC though more costly. Once again it is a win win situation for China then for Pakistan.


What it boils down to is, that this CPEC is no panacea for Pakistan and it will not usher Pakistan into acche din. Rather once this project is completed then Pakistan will have no space to manure. It will be a colony of China and will be doing bidding of China for all times to come. Looks like Pakistan read Pakistani army due to its anti India stance is leading Pakistan to China camp from where it will not be possible for Pakistan to wiggle out. It is important that the right thinking Pakistanis save the situation till it becomes too late.

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/idn-take-china-has-duped-pakistan-on.html

 

[bose]

If US & India can block the Malacca strait for all Chinese tanker , then so do the Gwadar ... Is it too difficult for Americans to block the Gwadar?

We will see that with time the Chinese will get frustrated with Pakistani corruption, in fighting and slow pace of implementation... their patience will be tested ... moreover day to day running the CPEC will be very costly with attacks on the line / roadways a daily affair... Pakistan have to commit huge security personal for its safety...

A failed CPEC will be devastating for both Pakistan & China...

 

[sorcerer]

If US & India can block the Malacca strait for all Chinese tanker , then so do the Gwadar ... Is it too difficult for Americans to block the Gwadar?

We will see that with time the Chinese will get frustrated with Pakistani corruption, in fighting and slow pace of implementation... their patience will be tested ... moreover day to day running the CPEC will be very costly with attacks on the line / roadways a daily affair... Pakistan have to commit huge security personal for its safety...

A failed CPEC will be devastating for both Pakistan & China...

pakistan itself will make sure that there is "projected threat" to the pipelines inorder to milk as much as moolah out of china. They wont be happy with the crumbs thrown at them..They will take the crumbs now for sure..but as time matters... pakistan will raise the ante on the security of the pipeline..now if in future, US is blocking the Malacca Strait ..pak will itself create a situation around the pipeline blaming it on US controlled terrorists on the corridor to get as much as money possible from china.

Look what the pak is doing now as a foreplay..They are blaming every incident in pakistan on INDIA and RAW and is already telling chinese indirectly and directly how much the CPEC is vulnerable and how much china will have to depend on pak army for its security for implementation and POST implementation.

pakis have a tool..the terrorists and they have found a way to make money with it. pak is NO FOOL to understand the chinese scheme of things..but pak knows very well how to get the better of them chinese with pak terrorists. They are just waiting for the right time.

pakis have done it with US. They shielded Bin laden but at the same time looted US on the hunt for Laden. They have used US money and killed innocent civilians in Balochistan naming it WoT.
pak has jailed 100s of terrorists got prizes for their arrests and later helped them with jail break.
Thats how terrorism work for pakistan.

 

[Zulfiqar Khan]

5 Reasons Gwadar Port Trumps Chabahar
China and Pakistan’s port at Gwadar will see smoother sailing than India and Iran’s alternative.

In New Delhi’s latest bid to flex its economic muscles, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Iran last month and signed an agreement to develop the $500 million Chabahar port. The port, if materialized, would be a gateway for Indian goods into Central Asia. This is indeed a remarkable agreement but every strategic move faces strategic impediments, and Chabahar is no exception. Only 72 kilometers away lies Pakistan’s Gwadar port, which itself holds greater significance and poses tangible economic, commercial, and strategic challenges to Chabahar. Here are five ways Gwadar outflanks Chabahar:

1. Experience: This is the first time India has plunged into a foreign port development venture with such vigor. Chabahar is a geographical reach for New Delhi, since it is not in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) where India not only has several functional ports (Mumbai, Kolkata, and Goa) but has the shield of Indian Navy also. In Chabahar India would be a guest state, whose borders and territorial waters are at a much greater distance. Moreover, the vessels transporting goods to Chabahar would also be subject to the active monitoring of the Pakistani Navy, which would keep a hawk-eyed watch on the high seas and adjacent international waters. On the contrary, Gwadar is not only developed by China — which has a wealth of experience in overseas infrastructure projects — but the government of Pakistan has handed over the control of port to China. Tehran won’t do the same, at least judging by the existing agreement with India.

2. Security: After Chabahar in Iran, the next stop for Indian goods will be Afghanistan, and then subsequently to the Central Asian states. Although India has enjoyed cordial terms with the successive post-2001 governments of Afghanistan together with its $2 billion investment there, the security situation is inadequate in major areas. Besides, the Taliban, the major insurgent group in Afghanistan has no love for India, since the latter historically supported the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. Gwadar too is witnessing security issues, since Balochistan province is subject to low-scale belligerency. Still, the scope and extent of separatist brawls in the area have decreased in recent years while many militant groups have voluntarily surrendered to security agencies.

3. The Iran Question: One year after the Iran signed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with the P5+1 states, the deal has not lived up to expectations. Iran recently launched a nuclear-capable missile, violating a UN Security Council resolution (which prohibits any Iranian nuclear launch or test). Further, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has vowed that Iran “will not cooperate with America over the regional crisis, Their aims in the region are 180 degrees opposed to Iran’s.” Given this scenario, the prospect of lifting of all sanctions on Iran is again in doubt. The uncertainty regarding sanctions could undeniably have negative consequences for the India-Iran Chabahar deal. Gwadar has no such problems. There are no restrictions on China’s investment anywhere nor is Pakistan subject to any kind of UN sanctions. Furthermore, China holds veto power on the UN Security Council — thus even in the case of a proposed resolution that could impact Gwadar, China could veto the move and continue its economic ventures with Pakistan.

4. The Afghanistan Pressure Point: Despite enhanced Indo-Afghan diplomatic, political, and economic connections, Pakistan’s role and influence in Afghanistan has not withered. Though the central government of Afghanistan leans more toward India, Pakistan has connections with several ethnic groups who represent a major portion of Afghan society. Additionally, Pakistan and China are vigorously working together on the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which culminates in Gwadar. China would not want such a huge investment going to waste. Thus there is every possibility that Beijing and Islamabad join hands to obstruct the political and economic maze of Afghanistan, so as to obstruct India’s dreams of reaching Central Asia. Pakistan could also see an India-Iran covert partnership to cause dysfunction in Gwadar, but Tehran would likely refrain as it is trying to pacify relations with its neighbors and the international community in the wake of 2015 agreement. Any entanglement with Pakistan would also endanger the eastern border of Iran.

5. Partnerships and Rivalries: There is no economic competition between Pakistan and China. Chinese investment in Pakistan is also aimed at boosting trade with the rest of Asia, and Pakistan won’t become a hurdle in China’s quest to reach the Middle East and Persian Gulf . That’s because Pakistan is currently on the receiving end of a huge Chinese investment, which will revamp Pakistan’s feeble economic structure. The infrastructural development at Gwadar at the CPEC in general will help Pakistan to enhance trade with both China and the Middle East, but this doesn’t necessarily mean it would interrupt the flow of Chinese trade and goods to the same destination. However, the Iran-India dynamic is different. After the July 2015 agreement, Tehran is trying its level best to come into the mainstream international arena by accelerating trade in order to put its jammed economic wheel back on track. Iran will not allow India’s Central Asian dream to come true at the cost of Iranian interests.

Whether Gwadar or Chabahar, the developments of both ports can assist millions of people. Gwadar may well hold a slight edge because of its importance and utility, but it can produce best results only when there are no major regional threats. The same goes for Chabahar. Economic cooperation and integration is what’s needed in South Asia and even beyond. That, however, demands enhanced cooperation among all involved parties and the dissolution of all outstanding strategic and political misunderstandings.

Muhammad Daim Fazil is Lecturer of International Relations and Political Science at University of Gujrat, Sialkot Campus, Pakistan. He tweets @DaimFazil.

Chabhabar isn't supposed to be a rival to Gwadar. Only Indians and Pakistani exegrated media are making it seem that way.

Those two ports are made completely for two different reasons.

 

[Zulfiqar Khan]

Of course these people are against it. CPEC will make Sindhis and Baluchis too well off to be bothered by these people. Pushtuns who are nearly 44% of Baluchistan will be the most beneficiary since they control the trucking and food business on the highways in Pakistan

Everyone will benefit; this has nothing to do with ethnicity. Infact there were provincial law-fights over who gets the most rights over CPEC.

 

[salute]

Chabhabar isn't supposed to be a rival to Gwadar. Only Indians and Pakistani exegrated media are making it seem that way.

Those two ports are made completely for two different reasons.

yeah one for indias benefit and other for chinas benefit .

 

[Zulfiqar Khan]

If US & India can block the Malacca strait for all Chinese tanker , then so do the Gwadar ... Is it too difficult for Americans to block the Gwadar?

We will see that with time the Chinese will get frustrated with Pakistani corruption, in fighting and slow pace of implementation... their patience will be tested ... moreover day to day running the CPEC will be very costly with attacks on the line / roadways a daily affair... Pakistan have to commit huge security personal for its safety...

A failed CPEC will be devastating for both Pakistan & China...

and you think all those problems have not been dealt with yet? China just doesn't throw money away; especially 46 Billion Dollars (now crossed the 100 Billion Dollar Mark). It took years of planning, assurance, observation, research and analysis before making the final decision.

Pakistan Army is hell-bent on seeing this project through and will remove any obstacle whether its corruption or slow pace. (Even though these issues were already taken care of by anti-corruption cases and constant sacking).

 

[sorcerer]

CPEC is another way to make pak army relevant in pakistan. pak army sees a lot of money in the future by milking china in the name of SECURITY!!

Against India pak army has no other role but to initiate random firings on LOC. and talk random junk for the media about war and nukes and blah blah blah.which ofcourse is the only job pak army does.

pak army cant even think of having a war with India nor afford a small skirmish without losing pak for ever..
So in a few more years there is no relevance for pak army in real...

with CPEC pak army can make money for itself and make itself relevant again for economic reasons in pakistan..thus checkmating the civilian govt on the double.

 

[bose]

and you think all those problems have not been dealt with yet? China just doesn't throw money away; especially 46 Billion Dollars (now crossed the 100 Billion Dollar Mark). It took years of planning, assurance, observation, research and analysis before making the final decision.

Pakistan Army is hell-bent on seeing this project through and will remove any obstacle whether its corruption or slow pace. (Even though these issues were already taken care of by anti-corruption cases and constant sacking).

You [ read Pakistan ] not only antagonized Americans but also Iranians, Afghans and Arabs too... I am leaving India out for a moment ...

To implement CPEC you need an iron fist which is lacking now... PA will not be allowed to function freely by your politicians because there is huge money at stake to be siphoned off..

China is already losing patience fast... if CPEC is not economically viable that will be disaster ...

You need peace in the region to implement CPEC which is missing at this point of time...

 

[bose]

pakistan itself will make sure that there is "projected threat" to the pipelines inorder to milk as much as moolah out of china. They wont be happy with the crumbs thrown at them..They will take the crumbs now for sure..but as time matters... pakistan will raise the ante on the security of the pipeline..now if in future, US is blocking the Malacca Strait ..pak will itself create a situation around the pipeline blaming it on US controlled terrorists on the corridor to get as much as money possible from china.

Look what the pak is doing now as a foreplay..They are blaming every incident in pakistan on INDIA and RAW and is already telling chinese indirectly and directly how much the CPEC is vulnerable and how much china will have to depend on pak army for its security for implementation and POST implementation.

pakis have a tool..the terrorists and they have found a way to make money with it. pak is NO FOOL to understand the chinese scheme of things..but pak knows very well how to get the better of them chinese with pak terrorists. They are just waiting for the right time.

pakis have done it with US. They shielded Bin laden but at the same time looted US on the hunt for Laden. They have used US money and killed innocent civilians in Balochistan naming it WoT.
pak has jailed 100s of terrorists got prizes for their arrests and later helped them with jail break.
Thats how terrorism work for pakistan.

There is too much hype for CPEC in Pakistan as if it will solve all Pakistani problems ... the real problem is its implementation ... The Pakistani politicians are so kaminna that they will do anything to sabotage if they do not get their share...

Putting money is one thing and making it operational is another with daily attacks on the line... PA is again making a mistake to involve itself in CPEC... it is not military's duty to oversee it nor they are competent in it...

I see a big challenge for CPEC ... if China loses money in it ... it will be end of the China - Pakistan relationship...

 

[captonjohn]

Pakistan needs CPEC because they know that India can put blockage in future if war breaks out and that was the reason Pakistan lost the war in 1971. By uniting with China, Pakistan is making sure that in case India block their sole naval port, the supplies come from China uninterrupted. Another reason is Pakistan already know the Indian military strength and would lose the war whenever it happens hence, in case of war, Pakistan can get Chinese military support in whole Pakistan. By this corridor, Chinease military can enter into Pakistan and fight along with them against us in western front.

 

[sayareakd]

From frame 35:00 onwards, Chinese say that investment on returns are guaranteed by GOP and interest rate in are as high as 33%.......... looks like for these things, CPEC agreement is still secret.

Btw heard that Baluchastan will get only 8 projects out of over 330. That is majorly step motherly treatment given by Pakistan for using Gwadar port.

 

[sayareakd]

Punjab gets lion’s share in Chinese projects

By Qadeer Tanoli
Published: September 3, 2016

ISLAMABAD:

The lion’s share of Chinese projects currently underway in Pakistan have been assigned to Punjab, statistics shared with the Parliament revealed.


At present, 53 per cent of the total projects are being assigned to Punjab. The provincial government has deployed 6,346 security personnel for the protection of 3,754 Chinese nationals.

According to official statistics, out of the total of 330 projects, 176 are in Punjab while only eight projects have been allocated for Balochistan.

Contract for second LNG terminal to be awarded today

In a written reply to a question, raised by Shahida Rehmani in the National Assembly, regarding the security measures taken by the Ministry of Interior for the protection of Chinese personnel it was stated that a total of 16,703 security personnel were deployed for the protection of 8,819 Chinese nationals.

In his written reply, the Minister of Interior and Narcotics Control Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan provided a breakdown and stated that 6,346 security personnel were deployed in Punjab for the security of 3,754 Chinese nationals while 3,134 personnel had been deployed in Balochistan for the security of 558 Chinese nationals.

As many as 1,912 security personnel have been deployed in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa to provide protection to 698 Chinese nationals, working on the 19 projects in the province. Meanwhile, 2, 645 personnel have been deployed in Sindh as security arrangement for protection of 1,141 Chinese nationals. The province currently has 103 Chinese projects underway.

Six projects have been allocated to the Islamabad Capital Territory (ICT) for which 439 personnel of the law enforcement agencies have been deployed for the protection of 885 Chinese personnel.

ECC allows tax breaks for two CPEC projects

The lower house was further informed that a Special Security Division (SSD), consisting of nine composite Infantry Battalions and six Civil Armed Forces (CAF) Wings, had been constituted at a cost of Rs21.57 billion, which will provide security to the Chinese nationals.

Provision of security to citizens of Pakistan as well as to foreigners is the administrative, legal and constitutional responsibility of the provincial governments, it said, adding that the provincial governments were duly assisted by the armed forces.

Correction: An earlier version of this story mistakenly claimed Punjab is to benefit the most from the projects starting under the China Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 3rd, 2016.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1175160/economic-corridor-punjab-gets-lions-share-cpec-projects/

 

[sayareakd]

out of the total of 330 projects, 176 are in Punjab while only eight projects have been allocated for Balochistan.

No doubt Balochistan want Independence from Pakistan..............................

 

[tharun]

6,346 security personnel for the protection of 3,754 Chinese nationals.

Roughly two security personal for every chinese national.....Like our MLA get two security guards

 

[sorcerer]

Pakistan Conquered

By Lt Gen Prakash Katoch
Issue Net Edition | Date : 08 Sep , 2016

Raheel’s assertion “we know our friends and foes all too well” sounds hollow because the Nawaz duo (Nawaz and Raheel) have sold the country to China…

The Pakistani media went hyper quoting Raheel Sharif in saying Pakistan is “unconquerable”.

But the unsuspecting Pakistani public is unaware that this emphasis on invincibility and unconquerable is to hide the fact that Pakistan stands conquered already. Raheel’s assertion “we know our friends and foes all too well” sounds hollow because the Sherif duo (Nawaz and Raheel) have sold the country to China with whom Pakistan claims its friendship is “higher than the mountains and deeper than the ocean”.

Pakistan has been duped thoroughly by China; conquering Pakistan without firing a shot in line with teachings of Sun Tzu.

A cost benefit analysis of the $46 billion Kashgar-Gwadar 3000 kms CPEC reveals that only $11 billion are coming from Chinese government for construction of roads and rail links. Pakistan will have to repay 80% of this investment to China, so in actual term this Chinese investment will only be 20%. At the moment the terms of repayment are not publicized but if China is charging interest and in case of default repayment, China is capable of extracting all $11 billion repayment back from Pakistan, if not more. The worst part is that bulk of the construction force and labourers are coming from China despite Pakistan footing 80% or more of costs.

Raheel Sharif’s boys are to provide security, for which naturally Pakistan bears all costs. The balance $35 billion investment is by China’s private sector for construction of coal based power plants. Coal for these plants will come from China under pretext of less ash environment pollution, not using cheaper coal available in Pakistan; the beauty being that Pakistani consumers will have to pay 27% extra costs for the electricity they purchase. Of course the Pakistani government has the option to subsidize the electricity for consumers but with that much extra burden on the exchequer.

…CPEC is a masterstroke of Xi Jinping which gives China tremenduous strategic advantage while costing little to the Chinese government…

China’s overt trumpeting of the One Belt One Road (OBOR) belies the fact that it has little money in her kitty for such massive projects, what with her outstanding debt, interests repayment and state of global market. To top this, China is faced with mounting workers protests and unemployment. OBOR simply exploits the country goes through with some 800 Chinese companies ready to invest and provide employment to millions of Chinese waiting in the wings – all at the cost the country hosting OBOR.

In the case of the CPEC, China will be the lion that feeds with some bones thrown Pakistan’s way. But China gets much more in strategic terms, leave aside the economic benefits. The CPEC will service as China’s energy and goods demands from the Gulf region through this shorter route. At the same time, movement of oil tankers through the longer sea route turns out to be 11 times cheaper.

The CPEC is a masterstroke of Xi Jinping which gives China tremenduous strategic advantage while costing little to the Chinese government: one, should the Straits of Malacca get blocked, China has the CPEC as alternative; two, Gwadar as Chinese nuclear submarine base dominates eastern end of Persian Gulf, giving leverage for quid pro quo in South China Sea; three, CPEC connection to Pakistan’s Omari naval base makes it accessible to China, giving greater domination over Persian Gulf coupled with Gwadar, and; four, rail link of CPEC and multiple development projects provide avenue for movement and deployment of weapon systems in silos and even rail mounted missiles to support future operations in the Indian Ocean Region.

Pakistani military scholar Agha H Amin had prophesied in 2008 (repeated in 2012), “There is no doubt that Pakistan will be a semi autonomous Chinese province by 2030…”

What does Pakistan get out of the CPEC aside from being the sucker? Sure the army is going in for more raisings to protect the CPEC but with the type of Chinese influx in the offing including Chinese labourers, local discontent is going to be immense with locals denied employment. Whatever little employment is offered to locals will also breed discontent with obdurate attitude of Chinese bosses lording hurting self-respect of locals, this coupled with the discontent in Gilgit-Baltistan and Sindh, together with continuing Pakistani genocide in Balochistan is setting the stage for internal nightmare for the Pakistani army along the 3000 kms CPEC. No external interference will actually be needed.

Pakistan will perhaps have to divert troops from her borders to control the situation or alternatively ask for more PLA troops, which China will readily oblige but with provided costs for such deployment are borne by Pakistan. So instead of PLA troops guarding the CPEC (dubbed motorway in Gilgit-Baltistan) in civil attire and in civil trucks presently, the CPEC could well see uniformed PLA and Pakistani military milling around the entire 3000 kms of the CPEC, with locals warned to stay away. Raheel Sharif might as well order his army to start wearing the Chinese star on their caps or the Chinese flag on their right shoulder.

Pakistani military scholar Agha H Amin had prophesied in 2008 (repeated in 2012), “There is no doubt that Pakistan will be a semi autonomous Chinese province by 2030 or so… Pakistani Baluchistan by 2030 would be a completely Chinese run show.” While Amin’s prophesy appears coming true, it looks China aims to realize this picture much before 2030.

In the case of CPEC, the Sharif duo (Nawaz and Raheel) have apparently sold ‘unconquerable ’Pakistan for a lark, themselves getting richer by millions…

The question remains is how did the powers that be in Pakistan ink such a one-sided agreement? This should not be difficult to guess. Just a month and a half earlier, London-based investigative journalist and consultant James D Crickton had made a startling revelation based on in-depth research that both former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf former Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani have bank accounts in Switzerland with several million US dollars stashed in them.

Nawaz Sharif himself has attained dubious fame through the Panama Papers. Chinese treat the leadership of any country as the centre of gravity, and anyway believe in buying their way through everywhere. In recent times, John Ashe, a former UN ambassador from Antigua and Barbuda who was UNGA President from 2013 to 2014, was accused in federal court in New York for taking more than $1.3 million in bribes from Chinese businessmen, including developer Ng Lap Seng.

In the case of CPEC, the Sharif duo (Nawaz and Raheel) have apparently sold ‘unconquerable ’Pakistan for a lark, themselves getting richer by millions – that is how posterity will probably remember them. One can only have sympathy for the Pakistani public.

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Lt Gen Prakash Katoch
is a former Lt Gen Special Forces, Indian ..

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