OBOR News & Developments

[Hiranyaksha]

Okay, Chinese + Energy sector expert. Powerplant is a scam in India that is being unveiled. Chinese looks for rate of return of 30-40% under OBOR plan. Which only casinos and brothels can provide, which makes it perfect for Islamic State of Pakistan .

Rate of production of energy production per unit from Coal power plants is 2.5 INR, from Solar with subsidy is 5.5 INR. Anyone bidding below 5.5 INR is a scam. Most of these are deliberate attempt to stall critical energy projects, GOI is already looking into these.

Now back to the topic GOI never operate under loans, atleast as per my understanding. On the other hand Islamic nations provide sovereign guarantee Economic hitman .


Energy is a key commodity which has to be at reasonable price if any country want to survive. Anyway Pakistan is a jungjoo jihadi country which will eat grass.

Bhai can't reveal anything more than this. But one thing is for sure CPEC under OBOR is not just for economic benefits. CPEC has already colonized Pakistan.

Pakistanis have burnt and lost their nation because of their never dying hatred for India.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Is there anything to destroy? That is just a road with outdated powerplants sprinkled here and there.

Destroying a road completely is not possible in my opinion. Causing massive land slides in times of war is.

My take: We are not looking at Islamic State of Pakistan anymore. It is Chinese province. Pakistanis have already sold their nation. Be it War or any business all of them fall under operations. And operations can be heavily influenced, stalled and stopped through various options.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Is there anything to destroy? That is just a road with outdated powerplants sprinkled here and there.

Destroying a road completely is not possible in my opinion. Causing massive land slides in times of war is.

Destroying a road is easy . Roads are usually the first things to take out to cripple supply lines.


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[Degenarate]

One Pakistani netizen told me with absolute conviction that once CPEC is fully operational , Pak's GDP will double in 5 years. One of their senator (I think his name was some Abidi) says frequently in their media that they are soon going to have Gwadar mega oil city and river of dollars will flow in Pakistan.

Ok jokes aside, on a serious note how concerned should we be? How much economic potential do you guys see in it? I dont know whether Pak's general populace will reap its full benefits but I am sure that lots of money flowing into Pakistan means only one thing - more wealthy Pak army and more funds to ISI to carry out terrorist operations in India. Also China's military presence especially their naval assets will disrupt the strategic balance in Indian Ocean. How prepared are we to meet this new challenge?

I am genuinely interested in what CPEC really means for India. Any informative reply on this is highly appreciated. Thanks.

 

[kunal1123]

China hikes investment in CPEC to $62bn from $55bn - Times of India
Saibal Dasgupta
BEIJING:

Beijing
is willing to work with

Washington
on ending

North Korea
's nuclear weapons program but wants a peaceful solution to the escalating conflict, Chinese President

Xi Jinping
told President

Donald Trump
in a phone call Wednesday.

Xi's comments came after Trump tweeted that China should do more on an issue that Washington sees as an increasingly urgent threat, or else the US would go it alone.

China's calls for calm come as tensions have risen with the dispatch of a US aircraft carrier to the area and the deployment of thousands of US and South Korean troops, tanks and other weaponry for their biggest-ever joint military exercises.



Had a very good call last night with the President of China concerning the menace of North Korea.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2017

During their phone call, Xi told Trump that China is willing to continue working with the US on denuclearization, according to a brief description of the call released by the Chinese foreign ministry.

"China insists on realizing the denuclearization of the peninsula, insists on maintaining peace and stability on the peninsula, and advocates resolving the problem through peaceful means,'' Xi was quoted as saying.

The two leaders spoke on Tuesday night (Washington time) after Trump said an "armada'' of vessels, including the USS Carl Vinson carrier, was steaming to waters off the Korean Peninsula in a show of force.

Trump tweeted Wednesday: ``Had a very good call last night with the President of China concerning the menace of North Korea.''

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang said at a regular briefing in Beijing on Wednesday that it was a ``good thing'' that the two leaders were in touch again days after meeting in Florida.

Regarding the U.S. Navy strike force's arrival in the western Pacific, Lu said: ``We hope all parties will refrain from irresponsible actions that would be very dangerous at the moment.''

North Korean state media has warned of a nuclear attack on the United States in retaliation for any signs of aggression, a threat that has been made numerous times before.

Earlier Tuesday, Trump suggested the U.S. could ``solve'' the North Korea issue unilaterally.

``North Korea is looking for trouble. If China decides to help, that would be great. If not, we will solve the problem without them! U.S.A.,'' Trump tweeted.

In another tweet, he sought to persuade Xi to put pressure on North Korea in exchange for a good trade deal with the U.S. He wrote: ``I explained to the President of China that a trade deal with the U.S. will be far better for them if they solve the North Korean problem!''

Trump and other U.S. officials have repeatedly called on China to leverage its status as North Korea's biggest economic partner and source of food and fuel aid to force Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear weapons program.

China says it is in full compliance with sanctions enacted under U.N. Security Council resolutions. In February, China suspended imports of coal from North Korea _ a key source of foreign currency for Kim Jong Un's hard-line Communist regime.

The U.S. and other foreign governments have long overestimated China's ability to affect Pyongyang's behavior, said Ruan Zongze, a U.S. relations expert at the China Institute of International Studies, a think tank run by the foreign ministry.

``There's a view that China possesses the key to solving the peninsula problem, or that China has the faucet and that all China has to do is shut it off and the peninsula issue is solved,'' Ruan said.


``In fact, I think the outside exaggerates the sort of role China can play. China isn't really as influential as all that,'' he said.


Beijing's insistence on a peaceful approach to resolving the issue is rooted in its belief that any attempt to denuclearize the North by force would bring cataclysmic results upon all sides, including China, Ruan said.


``When it comes to the issue of the Korean Peninsula, violence is not an option,'' he said.


Beijing says it will not countenance measures that could bring about a collapse of the regime that could release a flood of refugees across its border, destabilize northeast Asia and result in a U.S.-friendly government taking power in Pyongyang.

 

[indian patriot]

HASSAN NISAR ON CPEC AND PAKISTAN.........................................

 

[amoy]

China delivers third maritime patrol ship to Pakistan
WORLD Updated: Apr 15, 2017 18:30 IST

A general view of the old port in Gwadar, Pakistan. Under the CPEC project, the city of Gwadar will be linked to China’s Xinjiang via a vast network of highways and railways.(REUTERS)

China has handed over to Pakistan a 600-tonne patrol ship, the third of its kind, to safeguard the country’s maritime interests at a time when both nations are pushing forward with the CPEC project.

The ship which was handed over to Pakistan’s maritime safety authority in Guangzhou, Guangdong province is the third of its kind, was built by China Shipbuilding Trading Company Ltd (CSTC) and China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) Xijiang Shipbuilding Co Ltd.

Previous two ships have already demonstrated their reliability and excellent performance during visits and exchanges, joint drills, maritime rescue and other missions in Pakistan, state-run People’s Daily reported.

 

[Mikesingh]

Destroying a road is easy . Roads are usually the first things to take out to cripple supply lines.


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I guess you mean the bridges on roads which would take an enormous amount of time to repair.

 

[Mikesingh]

I am genuinely interested in what CPEC really means for India. Any informative reply on this is highly appreciated. Thanks.

This isn't a purely economic project which we are led to believe it is. The CPEC is a logistics life line from Kashgar in Xinjiang to Gwadar which is the future PLAAN base being set up there. A Chinese naval base here would have five geostrategic advantages:

1. Dominate the Strait of Hormuz.

2. Dominate the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean Region.

3. A Chinese naval base along with the Pak Navy at Gwadar will be a guarantee against any Indian naval blockade and strike on Gwadar and other Pakistani military assets there in war due to the presence of the Chinese navy.

4. Lateral movement of Pakistan Army reserve field formations from one theater to another would become much faster during war, thus reducing reaction time considerably. The PLA also would use this route to protect its strategic assets in the region.

5. The CPEC for China would be an alternate route to the Gulf in the event of the closure of the Strait of Malacca during a conflict situation particularly in the South China Sea.

That's the prime reason why the Pakistani Army is interested in getting the CPEC moving and completed as soon as possible. As a first step, Gwadar Port has already been handed over lock stock and barrel to the Chinese on an extendable 40 year lease.

Thousands of acres have been gifted to the Chinese along the CPEC in GB, POK and Balochistan free of cost for the ostensible reason of establishing so called industrial zones which would be fully manned and operated by the Chinese themselves!

 

[Hiranyaksha]

This isn't a purely economic project which we are led to believe it is. The CPEC is a logistics life line from Kashgar in Xinjiang to Gwadar which is the future PLAAN base being set up there. A Chinese naval base here would have five geostrategic advantages:

1. Dominate the Strait of Hormuz.

2. Dominate the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean Region.

3. A Chinese naval base along with the Pak Navy at Gwadar will be a guarantee against any Indian naval blockade and strike on Gwadar and other Pakistani military assets there in war due to the presence of the Chinese navy.

4. Lateral movement of Pakistan Army reserve field formations from one theater to another would become much faster during war, thus reducing reaction time considerably. The PLA also would use this route to protect its strategic assets in the region.

5. The CPEC for China would be an alternate route to the Gulf in the event of the closure of the Strait of Malacca during a conflict situation particularly in the South China Sea.

That's the prime reason why the Pakistani Army is interested in getting the CPEC moving and completed as soon as possible. As a first step, Gwadar Port has already been handed over lock stock and barrel to the Chinese on an extendable 40 year lease.

Thousands of acres have been gifted to the Chinese along the CPEC in GB, POK and Balochistan free of cost for the ostensible reason of establishing so called industrial zones which would be fully manned and operated by the Chinese themselves!

Further failure of this project in economic sense does not matter at all because that is not project's objective. Objectives are ones stated above.
Pakistani agencies will remain well funded because Chinese will be there constant source of income.
Do not think that CPEC's income will generate funds for Pakistan. It is a totally different model. CPEC's objectives are different. Till these objectives are being met , Chinese will continue to fund their newest Colony.

 

[sthf]

Destroying a road is easy . Roads are usually the first things to take out to cripple supply lines.


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Agreed but roads are probably one of the easiest thing to construct or repair in a war. You can't possibly damage tens of km stretch of a highway and sustain it.

 

[sthf]

My take: We are not looking at Islamic State of Pakistan anymore. It is Chinese province. Pakistanis have already sold their nation. Be it War or any business all of them fall under operations. And operations can be heavily influenced, stalled and stopped through various options.

While Pakis may have sold their country to their Chinis, I believe that Chinis on the other hand won't lose a single man of theirs to defend Pakis.

That is something which is not going to happen. Pakis are useful idiots who grab India's attention and keep that attention away from China.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

While Pakis may have sold their country to their Chinis, I believe that Chinis on the other hand won't lose a single man of theirs to defend Pakis.

That is something which is not going to happen. Pakis are useful idiots who grab India's attention and keep that attention away from China.

I am not sure whether Chinese will put their own troops to defend their projects in newly colonized Pakistan or not. Till my understanding, they (Chinese) have already displayed troops marching and patrolling along with Pakis in POK and other areas. More than 100K Chinese troops are already stationed in Gwadar Port. I am not sure what else does it mean to defend their projects and infrastructures.

Further Pakis are not useful idiots, they are bastards and traitors to their own motherland with myopic vision clouded by hatred towards India. They have sacrificed their sovereignty in order to make things difficult for us. No logic and reasons can change their mindset.

I think all peace keeping efforts must be put onto lower priority and we must focus on hybrid warfare from stopping Chinese to achieve their objectives. Most favoured nation status granted to Pakistan must be revoked because Chinese goods are routing to Indian market through Pakistan. It is simply repackaging Chinese cement and other goods with Pakistani label and moving to Indian Market.
India is a market for 1/7 of the humanity. We just have to keep our markets close to any hostile nations. And keep our economy flourishing.
Chinese debt and equipment are not lucrative to Indians anymore since now they are charging a lot of interest rates rendering projects unsustainable. So we basically don't need them as much as they need us. Chinese are already not allowing our pharma companies access to their markets. The day Apple moves it manufacturing to India, it will develop worlds confidence to manufacture goods in India.

European and Americans insurance companies and banks are already working along with India and providing cheap money and equipment for various projects.

 

[Anikastha]

I am not sure whether Chinese will put their own troops to defend their projects in newly colonized Pakistan or not. Till my understanding, they (Chinese) have already displayed troops marching and patrolling along with Pakis in POK and other areas. More than 100K Chinese troops are already stationed in Gwadar Port. I am not sure what else does it mean to defend their projects and infrastructures.

Further Pakis are not useful idiots, they are bastards and traitors to their own motherland with myopic vision clouded by hatred towards India. They have sacrificed their sovereignty in order to make things difficult for us. No logic and reasons can change their mindset.

I think all peace keeping efforts must be put onto lower priority and we must focus on hybrid warfare from stopping Chinese to achieve their objectives. Most favoured nation status granted to Pakistan must be revoked because Chinese goods are routing to Indian market through Pakistan. It is simply repackaging Chinese cement and other goods with Pakistani label and moving to Indian Market.
India is a market for 1/7 of the humanity. We just have to keep our markets close to any hostile nations. And keep our economy flourishing.
Chinese debt and equipment are not lucrative to Indians anymore since now they are charging a lot of interest rates rendering projects unsustainable. So we basically don't need them as much as they need us. Chinese are already not allowing our pharma companies access to their markets. The day Apple moves it manufacturing to India, it will develop worlds confidence to manufacture goods in India.

European and Americans insurance companies and banks are already working along with India and providing cheap money and equipment for various projects.

Just chill.
Nothing will happen.
We are set to get fucked both from Inside and Outside.
If u gonna save this country , do it in this 10-15 years.
If cong. comes to power in 2019 , i would have a tattoo on my forehead " Life is a joke"

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Just chill.
Nothing will happen.
We are set to get fucked both from Inside and Outside.
If u gonna save this country , do it in this 10-15 years.
If cong. comes to power in 2019 , i would have a tattoo on my forehead " Life is a joke"

LMAO !! "If u gonna save this country , do it in this 10-15 years." << We have a make or break condition. Else we will be next Middle East.

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

This isn't a purely economic project which we are led to believe it is. The CPEC is a logistics life line from Kashgar in Xinjiang to Gwadar which is the future PLAAN base being set up there. A Chinese naval base here would have five geostrategic advantages:

1. Dominate the Strait of Hormuz.

2. Dominate the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean Region.

3. A Chinese naval base along with the Pak Navy at Gwadar will be a guarantee against any Indian naval blockade and strike on Gwadar and other Pakistani military assets there in war due to the presence of the Chinese navy.

4. Lateral movement of Pakistan Army reserve field formations from one theater to another would become much faster during war, thus reducing reaction time considerably. The PLA also would use this route to protect its strategic assets in the region.

5. The CPEC for China would be an alternate route to the Gulf in the event of the closure of the Strait of Malacca during a conflict situation particularly in the South China Sea.

That's the prime reason why the Pakistani Army is interested in getting the CPEC moving and completed as soon as possible. As a first step, Gwadar Port has already been handed over lock stock and barrel to the Chinese on an extendable 40 year lease.

Thousands of acres have been gifted to the Chinese along the CPEC in GB, POK and Balochistan free of cost for the ostensible reason of establishing so called industrial zones which would be fully manned and operated by the Chinese themselves!

Exactly! CPEC project is nothing but Chinese attempt to control Arabian sea and Indian ocean. China sees itself as a new super power and now they have just begun the military expansion. This is very dangerous time for India's sovereignty. The only way for India to be relevant in this massive global power shift is if we reach some level of economic parity with China.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Agreed but roads are probably one of the easiest thing to construct or repair in a war. You can't possibly damage tens of km stretch of a highway and sustain it.

You don't need to destroy every inch of road just destroy strategic points in the road .most of the road in cpec is mountainous so even better. The whole road from China to Pakistan is thru mountains with ice and snow ,avalanches will be a natural problem

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[sthf]

You don't need to destroy every inch of road just destroy strategic points in the road .most of the road in cpec is mountainous so even better. The whole road from China to Pakistan is thru mountains with ice and snow ,avalanches will be a natural problem

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Which is exactly what I said, landslides - yes, road destruction - no.

Either way, you can only do it if a war is taking place. The road itself is useless as the trade between master & slave is negligible.

 

[Neo]

World Bank expects Pakistan's economy to grow 5.2%, but risks remain
By Shahbaz Rana
Published: April 17, 2017

ISLAMABAD: Upcoming national elections may change Pakistan’s economic policies, which in return could put the upward growth trajectory at risk, cautioned the World Bank on Monday while projecting 5.2% economic growth for this year.

“The upcoming national election in 2018 may affect reform momentum and macroeconomic policy orientation (of Pakistan),” said World Bank’s biannual South Asia Economic Focus Report 2017.

It added there were significant downside risks to the projected positive economic outlook for Pakistan.

Polls for National Assembly and four provincial assemblies will take place in the middle of next year and in order to win the vote the ruling PML-N party has given clear indications for adopting populous economic policies.

Among the risks that the World Bank highlighted were slower progress on much-needed structural reforms, lingering uncertainty about the US economic policy, a strong rupee and protracted global economic weakness.

World Bank revises Pakistan’s growth rate upwards to 5.2% in FY17

The bank is the third global financial institution that has smelled a change in the air in the past three weeks. Earlier, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the Asian Development Bank (ADB) also expressed similar concerns.

The IMF has warned that Pakistan’s “hard-won” economic stability was at risk due to challenges on the fiscal, energy and external sector fronts.

The World Bank report stated that slower progress on the structural reforms could weaken growth prospects. It added a stable nominal exchange rate of the rupee versus the US dollar had resulted in appreciation of the Real Effective Exchange Rate (REER), which was hurting exports.

Furthermore, lingering uncertainty about the course of US economic policy and the possibility of a protracted global economic weakness, especially in the euro area due to Brexit, could negatively affect exports.

‘Pakistan Development Update’: World Bank projects economy will grow at 5%, miss govt target

The bank said Pakistan was also vulnerable to any significant decline in remittance flows, particularly from oil-rich countries that contribute about two-thirds of all remittances.

Pakistan’s growth prospects continue to improve and inflation remains contained. However, weak fiscal performance and pressures in the external account posed a challenge, said the World Bank.

Efforts to reverse the current imbalances and continued implementation of structural reforms would be needed for sustaining and accelerating growth and improving welfare, it added.

Pakistan’s response

Reports of the international financial institutions were not critical, but they identified the areas where Pakistan needed improvement to remain on the higher growth trajectory, commented Ahsan Iqbal, Minister of Planning, Development and Reform.

He said the government had accepted recommendations of the ADB and IMF, which actually gave a checklist that Pakistan should take care of in order to achieve long-term growth.

Pakistan improves on World Bank’s logistics index

He also endorsed views of the World Bank, ADB and IMF that Pakistan would achieve 5% to 5.2% economic growth in the current fiscal year, ending June 30.

“Pakistan for the first time will achieve more than 5% GDP growth in the last 10 years, which is expected to remain between 5.2% and 5.5%,” he said. The government has set the growth target at 5.7%.

The World Bank report also projected 3.4% growth in the agriculture sector while the industrial sector was expected to expand 6.1%.

The minister blamed political instability for most of Pakistan’s economic ills. He expected the agriculture sector to rebound this year.

Impact of US protectionism

The World Bank report said the US economic protectionist policies against China and Mexico would benefit South Asian countries including Pakistan.

Pakistan’s exports, mainly textiles, will get around 15% boost, in case the US takes adverse trade actions against China and Mexico, according to the bank.

World Bank agrees to fund three hydro projects in K-P

However, in case of across-the-board trade barriers, Pakistan’s exports will be negatively affected by 3%.

In the trade destruction scenario, textiles in many countries are more strongly affected. In case of across-the-board adverse trade barriers, textiles were by far the most affected sector in Bangladesh, Nepal and Pakistan, said the bank.

India would experience a meaningful decline in chemical exports and in Sri Lanka and Afghanistan vegetable products would be the most harmed sector due to the US trade sanctions across the board, it added.

The bank noted that in a manifestation of economic optimism, share prices in India and Pakistan had been on a solid upward trend. Stocks listed in Mumbai and Karachi made large gains in 2016, with share prices in Pakistan rallying to levels never seen before.

 

[Mikesingh]

World Bank expects Pakistan's economy to grow 5.2%, but risks remain

Not going to happen! Pak's external debt has reached almost $75 billion and increasing. Once the magic figure of $90 billion is reached, which would be by about 2018/19 at the present rate of borrowings, Pak would fall into a debt trap that it will never be able to get out of.

“Pakistan is heading towards a social and economic hurricane that will cause great damage,” said AERC (Applied Economics Research Centre) director Prof Dr Samina Khalil, adding that the economic hurricane will sweep away much of the current economy and Pakistan’s assumptions about the future.

Pakistan is facing enormous challenges such as illiteracy, poverty, inequalities, corruption, energy and governance issues that have had a direct negative impact on the economic development and growth of the country, he pointed out.

The World Bank needs to revisit its projections and predictions for Pak.