Countering cold start: Military to adopt new war concept

[sayareakd]

After CSD we will have direct link with Afghanistan.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

Well India could have done that in 1948...
But in that case Nehru protegee Abdullaha would have lost elections and valley would not be a deciding factor in J&K as all on the other side of Pir Punjal are Sudnas and Punchies and Punjabies ... nothing common with valley Kashmiries...

Maharajah would have won as Sudans and Punchies are more like Dogras rather than Kashmiries..

If India takes back POK which was lost in 1948 then India will get direct access to Afghanistan border and access to Central Asian oil & Natural Gas. There will be no need for supply through Iran Chabahar Port. :ranger:

 

[Decklander]

And it will also cut off China from rest of Asia.

 

[SamwiseTheBrave]

Countering cold start: Military to adopt new war concept – The Express Tribune

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New concept? Why NASR failed?

After making Pakistan Navy an orphan, stalling modernization of air-force and eating up 40% operational budget now under integrated response does Pakistan army want operational control of the both?

new concept since the Indian NSA called their bluff of Nuke-On-Nasr and declared massive nuke retaliation even if theatre-level nukes are used. what else the heck can the PA do now other than come up with "new doctrines" ?

 

[Vishwarupa]

And it will also cut off China from rest of Asia.

This is more important for Asia to be peaceful & Its all in India hand.

 

[sayareakd]

CSD has 6-8 IBG racing into Pakistan, now they speed at which they are going to cross into Pakistan, Pakistan cant do much about it, even if they are going to stop 2-3 IBG they will find others way inside Pakistan. With Artillery and missile support from inside India and IAF over them. PA and PAF cant do much if this happen but to show their nukes. They have option to nuke our IBG in their land. Our nuke doctrine already said any nuke attack on Indian forces any where, will result massive nuke attack on Pak, massive means we are going to take out most of their military, counter value targets and even nuke and other facilities inside Pak.

Now all this will happen and only happen if Pakistani controlled and operated terrorists do something like Mumbai, then we will unleash CSD. CSD wont come alone it will be backed by Prithvi and other missile and IAF giving punishment for terrorists attack. Now it is for Pak to check what their terrorists will do. World wont even shed single tear if we nuke entire Pak. It will be justified in history as something necessary for world peace.

BTW if Pak nuke our IBG we should nuke Lahor and say that it was caused by Pakistani nuke misfiring................

 

[The Last Stand]

BTW if Pak nuke our IBG we should nuke Lahor and say that it was caused by Pakistani nuke misfiring................

If only our politicians had some sense to follow your ideas

 

[Patriot]

BTW if Pak nuke our IBG we should nuke Lahor and say that it was caused by Pakistani nuke misfiring................

Once they nuke our IBG, we can rightfully and openly nuke each & every town of worth & military and political installations till they look like to Mohanjodaro fossils.

 

[datguy79]

@Bhadra If CSD is intended to deal a crippling blow to the PA, why not use a barrage of conventional missiles instead of risking the lives of Indian troops?

 

[farhan_9909]

my latest understanding of pakistan response to CSD

Indian troops very well know that pakistan will use nasr at the begining of Indian troops penetration into Pak.
Also pakistan knows that indian foriegn ministry has said that even if pak use nukes against our troops in pakistan territory.we will go into a full scale nuclear war

So since pakistan knows this already..i am pretty much sure meanwhile when Nasr will be moving toward the LOC to bomb the hell out of indian forces.
The Pakistani Ballistic missile will start bombing the indian cities.Since pakistan know that a strike of nasr will lead to nuclear war.
I am sure pakistan before that will go full nuclear..and bomb the hell out of indian cities.

This is my understanding.


Meanwhile india before the start of CSD.would have already prepared for a possible nuclear strikes on pakistani cities.since they know nasr is going to fry our troops at any cost.


Aftermath

Since pakistan will be the first to strike and ballistic missile are known to reach there targets within a very short span...Initial strike of direct launch of 84 ballistic missile leading toward indian cities.followed by a 2nd strike from chashma barrage beneath silos of total 37 ballistic missile,followed by 50 odd more ballistic missile.

Result in destruction of 94% of india.vis a vis a death of 1099millions people
vis a vis in pakistan a equal damage to pakistan.

 

[maomao]

my latest understanding of pakistan response to CSD

Indian troops very well know that pakistan will use nasr at the begining of Indian troops penetration into Pak.
Also pakistan knows that indian foriegn ministry has said that even if pak use nukes against our troops in pakistan territory.we will go into a full scale nuclear war

So since pakistan knows this already..i am pretty much sure meanwhile when Nasr will be moving toward the LOC to bomb the hell out of indian forces.
The Pakistani Ballistic missile will start bombing the indian cities.Since pakistan know that a strike of nasr will lead to nuclear war.
I am sure pakistan before that will go full nuclear..and bomb the hell out of indian cities.

This is my understanding.


Meanwhile india before the start of CSD.would have already prepared for a possible nuclear strikes on pakistani cities.since they know nasr is going to fry our troops at any cost.


Aftermath

Since pakistan will be the first to strike and ballistic missile are known to reach there targets within a very short span...Initial strike of direct launch of 84 ballistic missile leading toward indian cities.followed by a 2nd strike from chashma barrage beneath silos of total 37 ballistic missile,followed by 50 odd more ballistic missile.

Result in destruction of 94% of india.vis a vis a death of 1099millions people
vis a vis in pakistan a equal damage to pakistan.

pakistan will be obliterated even before you reach anywhere those deluded numbers!!

It would be Good riddance indeed.

 

[sayareakd]

my latest understanding of pakistan response to CSD

Indian troops very well know that pakistan will use nasr at the begining of Indian troops penetration into Pak.
Also pakistan knows that indian foriegn ministry has said that even if pak use nukes against our troops in pakistan territory.we will go into a full scale nuclear war

So since pakistan knows this already..i am pretty much sure meanwhile when Nasr will be moving toward the LOC to bomb the hell out of indian forces.
The Pakistani Ballistic missile will start bombing the indian cities.Since pakistan know that a strike of nasr will lead to nuclear war.
I am sure pakistan before that will go full nuclear..and bomb the hell out of indian cities.

This is my understanding.


Meanwhile india before the start of CSD.would have already prepared for a possible nuclear strikes on pakistani cities.since they know nasr is going to fry our troops at any cost.


Aftermath

Since pakistan will be the first to strike and ballistic missile are known to reach there targets within a very short span...Initial strike of direct launch of 84 ballistic missile leading toward indian cities.followed by a 2nd strike from chashma barrage beneath silos of total 37 ballistic missile,followed by 50 odd more ballistic missile.

Result in destruction of 94% of india.vis a vis a death of 1099millions people
vis a vis in pakistan a equal damage to pakistan.

ok fine, we know that after terror attack, we will use CSD and you will nuke us and Indian cities, therefore we will throw NFU to dustbin, we will nuke you guys after terror attack, first with nukes 80 of those, then just to be sure, we will throw 20 more to make sure non of you survives.

 

[The Messiah]

ok fine, we know that after terror attack, we will use CSD and you will nuke us and Indian cities, therefore we will throw NFU to dustbin, we will nuke you guys after terror attack, first with nukes 80 of those, then just to be sure, we will throw 20 more to make sure non of you survives.

no farhan must survive so he can post on dfi while pakistan gets wiped from world map. we will then ask him how pakis will damage India when its not even existing just to wind him up

 

[farhan_9909]

ok fine, we know that after terror attack, we will use CSD and you will nuke us and Indian cities, therefore we will throw NFU to dustbin, we will nuke you guys after terror attack, first with nukes 80 of those, then just to be sure, we will throw 20 more to make sure non of you survives.

useless comments are not appreciated.

this is a fact pakistan will nuke first the indian cities than will use nasr against your forces.

 

[p2prada]

Since pakistan will be the first to strike and ballistic missile are known to reach there targets within a very short span...Initial strike of direct launch of 84 ballistic missile leading toward indian cities.followed by a 2nd strike from chashma barrage beneath silos of total 37 ballistic missile,followed by 50 odd more ballistic missile.

Result in destruction of 94% of india.vis a vis a death of 1099millions people
vis a vis in pakistan a equal damage to pakistan.

A 20kT nuke will have a blast radius of 1 sqKm and a 350m crater. Think about it.

The 16kT bomb dropped on Hiroshima took out 12 sqKm of the city. A single firebombing mission with 300 odd B-29s over Tokyo took out 41 sqKm of the city. Bangalore is spread out over 750 sqKm and our buildings are not made of paper and wood.

Also missiles don't have a 100% hit rate. Even larger powers keep a hit rate of something like 60 or 70%. Meaning a little over half your missiles are doomed before take off or veer off course, or miss the target. That's why there is the perennial need of testing missiles continuously, something Pak military rarely does.

Even if we assume the damage will be as extensive on Bangalore as it was on Hiroshima, that is 12sqKm, which won't really be the case since our buildings are essentially fireproof and radiation proof through the use of concrete, then you will need at least 62 20kT bombs to wipe Bangalore off the map. That's almost the entirety of your arsenal including the success rate of the missiles.

I suggest using these numbers and generating a more modest figure.

In a few more years, a large number of your ballistic missiles will be stopped by our ABM system too.

 

[farhan_9909]

A 20kT nuke will have a blast radius of 1 sqKm and a 350m crater. Think about it.

The 16kT bomb dropped on Hiroshima took out 12 sqKm of the city. A single firebombing mission with 300 odd B-29s over Tokyo took out 41 sqKm of the city. Bangalore is spread out over 750 sqKm and our buildings are not made of paper and wood.

Also missiles don't have a 100% hit rate. Even larger powers keep a hit rate of something like 60 or 70%. Meaning a little over half your missiles are doomed before take off or veer off course, or miss the target. That's why there is the perennial need of testing missiles continuously, something Pak military rarely does.

Even if we assume the damage will be as extensive on Bangalore as it was on Hiroshima, that is 12sqKm, which won't really be the case since our buildings are essentially fireproof and radiation proof through the use of concrete, then you will need at least 62 20kT bombs to wipe Bangalore off the map. That's almost the entirety of your arsenal including the success rate of the missiles.

I suggest using these numbers and generating a more modest figure.

In a few more years, a large number of your ballistic missiles will be stopped by our ABM system too.

Those 98 public test were based off the kirana hills conducted test designs in 1983.

we now have only above 100kt warheads in our arsenal..beside this india only has 1 reactor dedicated to plutonium production at the moment while we 4 and 5th one in the line.

a 100kt nuke over any indian city of any size can atleast do the humanity damage.rest we will leave it to the nuclear winter and radiation.
even though the western sources still only count 10 warhead increase per year in pak stockpile but the same western sources has also claimed that if the 4th khushab series reactor come online which indeed had become operational in 2011.pak capability will increase to produce upto 26 warhead per year

Your ABM system would be as good as a paper shield against a iron sword.

As per wiki there are 200 cities in india.even if pakistan manages to destroy upto 150 cities.that would be a big sum
which will force india to surrender.because of loss of more than 1billions civilians.

 

[arnabmit]

Are you trying to logically reason with a person who truly believes that:

1) Pakistan has hundreds of thermobaric warheads ranging from 10mt to 100mt
2) Most of IA will be killed by ghosts of soldiers from 71 war... or was it ghosts descending from above as per some hadith?
3) Those who are still surviving will be killed by civilians alone, so that their elite 10:1 superarmymen don't have to move their ass.
4) J17 block 5 which can detect and shoot BVR missiles on a F22 sitting in Edwards base
5) Al-Khalid tanks with 2000mm penetration rods and 5000mm super NERA armor

A 20kT nuke will have a blast radius of 1 sqKm and a 350m crater. Think about it.

The 16kT bomb dropped on Hiroshima took out 12 sqKm of the city. A single firebombing mission with 300 odd B-29s over Tokyo took out 41 sqKm of the city. Bangalore is spread out over 750 sqKm and our buildings are not made of paper and wood.

Also missiles don't have a 100% hit rate. Even larger powers keep a hit rate of something like 60 or 70%. Meaning a little over half your missiles are doomed before take off or veer off course, or miss the target. That's why there is the perennial need of testing missiles continuously, something Pak military rarely does.

Even if we assume the damage will be as extensive on Bangalore as it was on Hiroshima, that is 12sqKm, which won't really be the case since our buildings are essentially fireproof and radiation proof through the use of concrete, then you will need at least 62 20kT bombs to wipe Bangalore off the map. That's almost the entirety of your arsenal including the success rate of the missiles.

I suggest using these numbers and generating a more modest figure.

In a few more years, a large number of your ballistic missiles will be stopped by our ABM system too.

 

[p2prada]

Those 98 public test were based off the kirana hills conducted test designs in 1983.

Really, when you had the chance to test more recent designs instead. How unrealistic.

Also how do you know this when you don't even know the capacity of your nuclear reactors.

we now have only above 100kt warheads in our arsenal..beside this india only has 1 reactor dedicated to plutonium production at the moment while we 4 and 5th one in the line.

Is that so? :thumb:

It takes anywhere between 4-6Kg of plutonium to make a 20kT bomb. How much do you think a 100kT bomb will need?

Your military reactors are tiny. Also what about weapons grade uranium?

Your ABM system would be as good as a paper shield against a iron sword.

How about thousands of SAMs spread out over the country with a hit probability of 99.8%. All designed to stop all the IRBMs in your inventory. What if not even one BM makes it through?

Also a larger warhead means a bigger target. A 100kT warhead will be bigger and hence a hotter target.

As per wiki there are 200 cities in india.even if pakistan manages to destroy upto 150 cities.that would be a big sum
which will force india to surrender.because of loss of more than 1billions civilians.

There is a reason why both Russia and the US have more than 30000 bombs each. If you think 150 missiles with 100kT bombs are enough to take out India then the superpowers have 3000 ready to fire warheads of 200kT - 5MT capability. How realistic do you think you are being here?

Majority of India lives in villages with those 200 cities being only around 20 - 30% of the population of India.

At your current rate you will need 150 years before you can make 150 100kT bombs. You will need at least 20 or 30 reactors before you can boast such a number in just 10-15 years after the 1998 tests. The western analyst predictions are that you make 10 bombs a year of the 20kT class.

 

[angeldude13]

very much,10 millions arms license are issued.and you have no idea of the illegal arms in pakistan.

alone if the people of bannu combines against indian trained armed forces..i dont think they stand or the indian armed forces stand a chance agaisnt them,and will give up within 2-3 days

your people are getting killed in drone strikes and you are talking sh8t about bravery of common pakistani.

pakistanis are so brave that they let american use their soil to kill there own citizens.
pakistan is a whore country.first you were in bed with america and now with china and god knows with whom this whore will share bed after chinese.
don't you dare talk about bravery. it's an insult to the bravery word.
you sold your country to foreigners and talk about bravery.
pakistanis are soo brave that they gave away gilgat baltistan to those slant eyed yellow b8tches.
why talk about kashmir then???
you gave away gilgat baltistan so what's the guarantee this whore country will not sell kashmir???
your country is a sold out whore and nothing else.enjoy your trip in bed with china.

 

[angeldude13]

Those 98 public test were based off the kirana hills conducted test designs in 1983.

we now have only above 100kt warheads in our arsenal..beside this india only has 1 reactor dedicated to plutonium production at the moment while we 4 and 5th one in the line.

a 100kt nuke over any indian city of any size can atleast do the humanity damage.rest we will leave it to the nuclear winter and radiation.
even though the western sources still only count 10 warhead increase per year in pak stockpile but the same western sources has also claimed that if the 4th khushab series reactor come online which indeed had become operational in 2011.pak capability will increase to produce upto 26 warhead per year

Your ABM system would be as good as a paper shield against a iron sword.

As per wiki there are 200 cities in india.even if pakistan manages to destroy upto 150 cities.that would be a big sum
which will force india to surrender.because of loss of more than 1billions civilians.

and what made you think you will not be nuked???
forget about surrender.
we are not pussy to surrender to an worthless enemy like pakistan.
90k soldiers still standing could have fought for days but what can you expect from a country who sold herself to every other super power