Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees no

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    Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees no wrong
    NEW DELHI: The CIC order on bringing parties under RTI ambit on Tuesday divided the political class, with Congress and some others rejecting it while main opposition BJP saw nothing wrong in such a move.

    A day after the CIC gave its ruling, Congress termed it as an "adventurist" approach that would harm democratic institutions.

    Its view was echoed by CPM and BJP's ally JD(U), which also rejected the order passed by the quasi-judicial body.

    "It is not acceptable. We totally disagree with it. Such an adventurist approach will create lot of harm and damage to democratic institutions," AICC general secretary Janardan Dwivedi told reporters here.

    "Getting political parties entangled in such unnecessary things will damage the democratic process. We simply cannot accept it," he said.

    The CPM, in a statement, said it "cannot accept" the CIC order that political parties are to be treated as "public authorities" and brought under the purview of the Right to Information Act.

    "This decision is based on a fundamental misconception about the role of political parties in a parliamentary democracy," it said, adding "This will interfere with and hamper the functioning of a political party."

    Expressing "astonishment and shock", JD(U) chief Sharad Yadav said the order was "no way justified" as "political parties are not shops".

    Asserting that "we are totally against this move", he wanted the central government to scuttle the CIC move.

    BJP, however, felt nothing wrong in the CIC order. "BJP is not against anything that brings transparency and accountability which is equally applicable to all. We will follow the law," said BJP spokesman Capt Abhimanyu.

    The CIC held that six national parties -- Congress, BJP, NCP, CPM, CPI and BSP -- have been substantially funded indirectly by the central government and they have the character of public authority under the RTI Act as they perform public functions.

    RTI is one of the historic measures of the Congress-led UPA government in its first term, introduced at the behest of Sonia Gandhi for greater transparency and accountability in government and government-funded bodies.

    Congress leader Dwivedi suggested that the CIC move would encroach upon the right to privacy of political organisations which don't receive any grants from the government and are voluntary organisations.

    Underlining that political parties are the mainstay of democracy which "cannot and should not be weakened", he cautioned that such decisions would have long-lasting implications.

    CPM felt that opponents of a political party can utilise the RTI as an instrument to destabilise a party.

    "Given the serious implications of this order of the CIC for the political party system and parliamentary democracy, the matter should be discussed by the government with all political parties so that suitable steps can be taken to preserve the integrity and the role of political parties in a democratic political system," it said.

    It termed as "untrue" the CIC observation that "six national parties are substantially financed by the central government and therefore they are held to be public authorities under the Act".

    The party said "the bulk of the funding and finances for the parties do not come from the government or any State institution. In fact, the CPM does not even accept funds from corporates which is legally permissible."

    The CPM said one of the concerns of the CIC seems to be transparency of the funding and finances of political parties. "At present, according to the law, all political parties are required to submit their accounts to the Income Tax department and the Election Commission.

    "Already under the RTI, the statement of accounts and the finances of the parties are accessible to anyone from the Election Commission. Any more details of the financing of the party can be sought for and has to be given. The CPM has from the outset taken the stand that the financial statements and accounts of a party should be publicly available.

    "But this does not mean that a political party has to be treated as a public authority," the CPM said.

    "To apply the Right to Information Act and demand access to the internal deliberations of the party whether it be on policy matters, organisational decisions or selection of candidates will constitute a serious infringement of the inner-party functioning, confidentiality of discussions and undermine the political party system itself," it said.

    JD(U) chief Yadav wondered how it was possible for political parties to divulge information about inner matters.

    "It is not practical to share resolutions of the parties, which are made in the executive committee meetings and also to share the process of selection of candidates for the party organisations," he said.

    "I fail to understand the logic behind the CIC order. There is already a Constitutional body - Election Commission - to which every political party is answerable and is bound to function under its directives.

    "For any small or big deficiency in the conduct of political party, that political party receives immediate notice from the EC," he said, questioning, "Does the CIC order now mean that political parties will have two bosses- the EC and the CIC?"

    Yadav also questioned why the CIC is only looking at political parties and not at cricket bodies like BCCI where anomalies are happening.

    He also hinted that his party will raise this issue in the Monsoon Session of Parliament.

    Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees no wrong - The Times of India
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    What would be the areas where the RTI be applicable to the political parties?

    It could not be there deliberations.

    But it sure could be as far as the accounts are concerned.
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    Congress always interested in legislations that let it loot money and win elections. See the hurry to pass Food Security Bill while Lokpal Bill after so much protests and brouhaha has been quietly been put on back burner. I am surprised though that CPI-CPM are opposing the move - perhaps they're getting money from China...:)

    The CIC held that six national parties -- Congress, BJP, NCP, CPM, CPI and BSP -- have been substantially funded indirectly by the central government and they have the character of public authority under the RTI Act as they perform public functions.


    Regarding the above various Rajiv Gandhi Trusts etc that were started by GOI - these are now run by Congress party along with land and property gifted to them. As for the other parties mentioned I dont know how GOI could have funded them.

    Anyways glad to see BJP has no objection to the move.
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    Remember JD(U) national secretary's statement giving the actual reason for party's stand against Modi.
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    and that was ?
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    Didn't you watch that video ???JD(U) got money from some foreign people who don't like Modi and you can figure out who can be those people.

     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    Thank you, that was enlightening.

    I hope RTI for political parties is brought in - then all such `fundings` will be brought to public notice.
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    i can think of congress , sp, bsp having problem with RTI but i didn`t get CPI(M)`s problem , there men are never caught in corruption so whats the problem
     
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    getting funds from communist countries perhaps ?
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    Except for chine i donot think there are any communist country who can pay them , except oil rich arad world .
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    Because CPIM follows organized grassroot corruption. Not the top heavy corruption like congress. So it is either not visible, or is not big enough per person to bother.

    One recent example... just 4yrs back:

    In WB, under CPIM, you buy a land for 5L, plan to build a house on it for 15L, but you would not be able to. CPIM harmad bahini would come and sit on the premises till you go to the party office and give a donation of 2L. If you try to go to the police and if the police tries to do something, then CPIM harmad bahini will beat you up, demolish the construction, and transfer the police officer. Once you finally pay the bribe, then you would be forced to by construction material from CPIM party member syndicates at inflated profits, else face the consequence. Even to the point that each and every paperwork would be held up till you go to the party office and pay the local leaders.

    I would fill up the entire page talking about CPIM corruption. but it is so organized and so distributed that everyone knows it, but nobody can prove it.

     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    look up wiki page for maoists/naxalites - they are listed as getting support from china and pakistan.
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    If what you are saying is true, why do you lot keep voting that crap party to power again and why does that party have support even now from tards. What am i supposed to understand about you all ,from your voting pattern(for instance gujaratis voting namo for third time makes me understand they are very intelligent)? and why are there so many leftists in your state? Are you people that dumb to not learn from your mistakes(or any one else's for that matter)?

    That said, is TMC any different?
     
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    ^^^^ @Mad Indian, welcome back dude!
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    Lack of choice my dear... CPIM is a corrupt criminal party, TMC is a blundering cartoon party... we are forced to choose the lesser evil!

    What did I say about decentralized grassroot level corruption of CPIM? Anyone who pledges allegiance to CPIM stands to profit. So in vote who do you think people will vote for? "Desh ka bhala" party or "guaranteed personal profit" party? To top it all, in WB, here is no real "Desh ka bhala" party...

    Credits to TMC only for breaking the CPIM vicious circle, nothing else. Middle class of WB voted TMC to power not because TMC is a great party, but because we couldn't tolerate CPIM any more.

    We desperately need a 3rd front in WB if there is to be any hope of growth and development.

     
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    You do have Choices- just that you people seem te be blind to it- BJP and I hate to say it- Dhongress
     
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    Re: Congress, CPM reject CIC's order to bring them under RTI, BJP sees

    Please! Who is there in WB for CongrASS? No one! I will personally atleast never vote for congrASS at any level, ever in my life!

    BJP is non-existant in WB. I hope they gain foothold in WB soon. In the bypolls in Howrah, BJP withdrew it's candidates... :(

    But BJP has a wrong strategy in WB. BJP is trying to play the Hinduvta card to balance the 36% muslim population of WB. As soon as BJP promotes Modi's "Justice for all, appeasement to none" policy in WB, they will rocket up very fast.

     
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