Comparing Indian Destroyers with Type 45 Destroyers of The Royal Navy.

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  1. john70

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    Two of Britain's latest state-of-the-art destroyers have taken to the sea to further test their capabilities before initial deployments.
    Dragon left a trail of smoke and fire off Portland as she tested her decoy flares for the first time during her intensive trials and training package. Meanwhile Defender left the BAE Systems yard on the Clyde on Friday for 28 days of tests and trials in the waters off western Scotland.
    On the south coast, Dragon, the fourth of the Navy's six Type 45 destroyers, has been working with military scientists to test her weapons and defensive systems.
    The Portsmouth-based warship used the ranges off Portland Bill, with a team from the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory - the MOD's in-house scientists - ashore monitoring the destroyer's radar cross-section and infrared characteristics as she fired off her decoy flares.
    The distinctive angular nature of the Daring Class is designed to minimise the 'blip' the ships produce on an enemy radar screen and suggest that, instead of an 8,500-tonne warship bristling with weaponry, the target is an innocuous smaller vessel.
    This angular shape, coupled with the Sea Viper missile system, which can take out incoming missiles and aircraft at ranges of up to 75 miles (120km) away, give it world-leading defensive capabilities.

    Leading Seaman Wayne Fugatt, who was the loading team leader for the trials, said:
    "It was my first time as leading hand in charge of a firing serial.
    "It's a unique experience to be involved in taking a warship as capable as this out of build and up to her first decoy firing. It fills me with confidence that we've the right kit to do the job when it matters."
    Meanwhile, 450 miles (724km) north a mixed crew of Royal Navy and BAE Systems personnel are building on what was accomplished during Defender's first trials last autumn, carrying out final testing of the ship's power and propulsion and combat systems, and navigational and communications equipment.
    If all goes well on this second 'workout', the £1bn destroyer will be formally handed over to the Royal Navy this summer:
    "Defender's departure on her second set of sea trials marks another milestone in the life of the ship and her company as we prepare to join the fleet later this year," said the destroyer's senior naval officer Commander Nicholas Boyd.
    "We are looking forward to operating her sophisticated equipment and systems during trials and beyond, putting our experience and training into practice."
    As well as the arduous task of fitting and testing the thousands of components and systems, Defender has used her time on the Clyde to begin to forge relationships with her affiliates, notably the cities of Glasgow and Exeter.
    Upon her return to Scotstoun next month, Defender will undergo three months of final testing and checking of her systems before sailing to her home for the next 30-plus years, Portsmouth, in July to join the bulk of the Type 45 fleet.
    As for Defender's and Dragon's four sisters, Daring is deployed and Dauntless and Diamond will do so later this year.
    The final ship in the six-strong class, Duncan, is in the latter stages of completion at Scotstoun and will head to sea for the first time towards the end of the year.
    She's due to be handed over to the Royal Navy before the end of 2013, bringing the curtain down on a decade's construction on the Type 45 project.


    Would want to know from members how capable are our destroyers.
     
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    How about highlighting the salient features of type 45 destroyers ?
     
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    How about the Kolkata Class with Barak 1 and Barak 8 with VLS Brahmos.
     
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    Thiugh the Kolkata class is reasonably stealthy, I think it is not as stealthy as the type 45.
     
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    Still an Indian version of Type 45, I think.
     
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    Type 45s are air defence ships, while Indian destroyers including the future Kolkata class destroyers are/will play a anti ship role, thus its difficult to compare those ships, except if we are talking about stealth or EW capabilities
     
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    I thought Kolkata Class will escort the CV in Airdefence role, it will have the Barak 8 missiles in it.
     
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    Type 45 destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    General characteristics
     
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    Our current destoryers may not be a match for it. Kolkata may end up with equipment that surpasses it. For eg: We may base an Aegis type defence system on the Kolkata class which will exceed Aster's capabilities on Type 45. So, we will have the PDV on one or two ships with the capability to intercept BMs.

    According to current known capabilities of the Kolkata, it should match the Type 45. Dunno about stealth though, but it is not as complex as aircraft stealth.

    However, as already mentioned the Type 45 is purely an AAW ship as compared to Kolkata's multirole nature. So, our ships will have anti-air weapons like the long range 120Km Barak 8 as well as the Brahmos missile system. Type 45 is not fitted with the Harpoon system.
     
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    Actually the article mentions :Two of Britain's latest state-of-the-art destroyers have taken to the sea to further test their capabilities before initial deployments.


    Thus it appears that they are not just airdefence ships, rather full destroyers with antiship mission too.
     
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    Stealth is a very important feature of Type 45 and these gives an edge over others as the enemy ship perceives it as innoucous ship :

    The distinctive angular nature of the Daring Class is designed to minimise the 'blip' the ships produce on an enemy radar screen and suggest that, instead of an 8,500-tonne warship bristling with weaponry, the target is an innocuous smaller vessel.
     
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    Let the Royal Navy get a proper aircraft carrier and then we can talk!
     
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    Hi Yaar, just not comparing navies here, just comparing capabilities of our destroyers with a new type of vessels with stealthy function.
     
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    Kolkata class is close to type 45 but not the same..
     
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    Kolkata class needs longer arms. Cruise missiles and SAMs with a longer range.

    I hope Nirbhay range increases with every block.
     
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    from what i heard the british destroyers are not fully armed as yet due to lack of money due to budget cuts , and some weapons and systems will be added later .
     
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    Comparison..

    Kolkata Class Destroyer Project 15A

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    Displacement: 6,800 tonnes

    Speed: In excess of 30 knots (56 km/h)

    Anti-ship: 4× 4-cell BrahMos UVLM

    Air-defence: 2× 32-cell VLS Barak 8 ( Range 70km ) + 4× 8 cell Barak 1 ( Range 10-12 km )

    CIWS: 2× 30 mm AK-630 gatling guns

    ASW: Torpedo tubes and 2× RBU-6000

    Radar: IAI EL/M-2248 MF-STAR Multi-mission radar (Active Electronically Scanned Array )











    Type - 45 Destroyer

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    Displacement: 8,000 tonnes

    Speed: In excess of 29 knots

    Anti-Ship: 2× Quad Boeing AGM-84 Harpoon launchers (8 anti-ship missiles) ( Not Fitted , But can be when needed )

    Ground attack: BGM-109 Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles ( Not Fitted , But can be when needed )


    Air-defence: 48 cell SYLVER A50 VLS, for a combination of 48;Aster 15 missiles (range 2-30 km), Aster 30 missiles (range 3-120 km)

    CIWS: 2× Phalanx CIWS

    ASW : Surface Ship Torpedo Defence (SSTD)

    Radar: SAMPSON is a multi-function AESA radar produced by BAE Systems Integrated System Technologies. ( Placed at higher )
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Kolkata Class Project 15B is a Match for Type 45 truly..
     
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    Type-45 and Kolkata Class Destroyers

    Type-45 Destroyer

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    Kolkata Class Destroyer

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    @pmaitra,

    Are there more pics ?

    Thnx..
     
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