Comparative study of Indian Air Force and Pakistan Air Force

Tamil

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Tamil, PAKFA and FGFA are the same IMO?

Boss India will receive Single seat PAK FA also... i know both are from T-50 Project.

PAK FA - Single Seat 4 Russia
FGFA - Twin Seat 4 Indians...

Don't make silly comments plz...

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just check how many fighter pakistan has
f16 45
mirage III 121
mirage IV 60
f7 192
nanchang a5 42
total 460
at present both iaf and paf are almost equal
*mirages are upgraded heavily
i never accept the bolder lines, why u left the JF-17 8?
 

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nice shots of su 30
wich one is best in mrca contenders??
ur opinion,i will go for either euro or gripen
 

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Mirage ROSE upgradde is a Retrofit of strike element. It might be heavily upgraded but the Precision strike capablity of the Mirages are yet to prove itself. The Mirages still lack a good radar and the Mirages after the ROSE upgrade has become the principle strike aircraft of PAF. The IAF on the other hand has been doing the DARIN II upgrade for the MiG 27 and the Jaguars. and we have Mig 29 to fly top cover for it while the Su 30s will be the major Air Dominance fighter. PAF will become a challenging force only after the introduction of JF 17 Block II if planned and executed properly. The JF also has its own limitations as it is a light-weight fighter hence it cannot have a bigger radar due to its limited nose cone size and the JF cannot do depp strike missions as the combat radius of the aircraft is very less compared to the Jaguar, the SU and Mirages. The PAF aare still to get their BVR and air to air refuelling capablity which India has been operating for the past 5 years. The LCA if it reaches the predicted numbers in the time frame then IAF will turn into one formidable force. The PAF also lacks a good air defence network and proper aircrafts for SEAD missions.
 

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Nataraj and Tamil, avoid Short forms like " 4 ","ur" and "plz" . Type them in full always. But you can use Acronyms from the allowed list . There is a thread for it.
 

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Boss India will receive Single seat PAK FA also... i know both are from T-50 Project.

PAK FA - Single Seat 4 Russia
FGFA - Twin Seat 4 Indians...

Don't make silly comments plz...

:india:
So Sorry for the silly comment. Please give me a valid link where it says FGFA is term used for twin seat and PAKFA for single seat versions or what ever you wrote.
 

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THE Pakistani Fiz'ya bought the Vintage Mirage serise in the 1970's to combat the MiG-21 that was then the Mainstay of the IAF and was the most state of the art interceptor in the subcontinent.

The procurment of the Mirage was directly propotional to the Induction of MiG's in the IAF

The ROSE (Retrofit Of Strike Element) upgrade program was initiated by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) in 1992 to upgrade the avionics of a number of its Dassault Mirage III and Mirage V combat aircraft. A contract for the upgrades was awarded to the French company SAGEM and took place in 3 stages; ROSE I, ROSE II and ROSE III. Some sources report a fourth stage, ROSE IV, was planned but was not completed.

ROSE I

Approximately 42 Dassault Mirage III aircraft of the PAF were modified to ROSE I standard. The cockpit was modernised with a new head-up display (HUD), "hands on throttle and stick" (HOTAS) controls and new multi-function displays (MFD). New navigation systems, including an inertial navigation system and GPS system, were also installed.

Defensive systems upgrades consisted of a new radar warning receiver (RWR), electronic counter-measures (ECM) suite and counter-measure dispensing system, dispensing decoy flares and chaff to confuse enemy missiles and radar.

The integration of a new Italian fire-control radar, the SELEX Galileo Grifo M3, gave Mirage III ROSE I fighters the ability to fire advanced beyond visual range (BVR) radar guided air-to-air missiles. PAF's standard short range air-to-air missile at the time, the AIM-9L Sidewinder, was integrated with the Grifo M3 radar.

The Grifo M3 was developed specifically to fit the Mirage III and has been in full operation on the Mirage III since 2001. It has a power consumption of 200 W, operates in the X-band and is compatible with IR guided, semi-active and active radar guided missiles. The circular antenna has a diameter of 47 cm.
The radar has over 30 different operational air-to-air/air-to-surface mission and navigation modes. Air to air modes include Single/Dual Target Track and Track While Scan. Air to surface modes include Real Beam Map, Doppler Beam Sharpening, Sea Low/High, Ground Moving Target Indicator, Ground/Sea Moving Target Track. Other optional modes include Raid Assessment, Non Cooperative Target Identification, SAR (synthetic aperture radar) and Precision Velocity Update.
Low, medium and high pulse repetition frequencies reduce effects of ground clutter. Digital adaptive pulse compression technology, dual channel receiver, scanning coverage +/-60 degrees in both azimuth and elevation, air cooling, weighs less than 91 kg, MTBF (flight guaranteed) over 220 hours. Extensive ECCM (electronic counter-counter-measures) provisions and built in test equipment (BITE). IFF interrogators can also be integrated.

ROSE II

ROSE II was the same as ROSE I, except the Grifo M3 radar was replaced with a new SAGEM Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) system. This gave ROSE II fighters the capability to fly safely in the dark at very low level to avoid radar, making them very effective ground strike aircraft during night-time operations - "night strike fighters".

The French air force supplied a total of 40 fully overhauled Mirage V, 34 single and 6 dual seat aircraft. Of the 40, 20 were upgraded to ROSE II standard. Their engines were overhauled for a four year and 300 hour minimum life span. This package included installation of chaff and flare dispenser, radar warning receiver and GPS navigation systems as well as all required ground support, LRU (line replaceable units) and alternate mission equipment

ROSE III

Of the PAF's Mirage fleet, 16 were upgraded to ROSE III. A follow-up to ROSE II, this upgrade gives an improved night-time precision strike capability to the Mirage with the addition of a new SAGEM navigation/attack avionics suite. A new PAF squadron was raised on 19 April 2007, No.27 Tactical Attack "Zarrar" Squadron, to be equipped with the Mirage ROSE III aircraft. The Zarrars are a night-strike specialist squadron

ROSE IV

This phase of the program would have integrated the French MBDA MICA advanced medium/short range air-to-air missiles with the Grifo M3 radars fitted to the Mirage ROSE 1 aircraft. At the time, the PAF did not have any beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missiles, such as the MBDA MICA, and very few aircraft that were capable of firing them. Although the ROSE IV upgrade would have greatly improved the beyond visual range combat capabilities of the PAF in opposing enemy aircraft, no Mirage fighters were upgraded to ROSE IV standard. Possible reasons for this may have been preferring to spend limited financial resources on acquiring newer, more advanced and more capable aircraft such as the JF-17 and J-10.


In-flight Refuelling

The PAF is currently installing in-flight refuelling probes to 30 of its Mirage III ROSE aircraft, stating that it is a pilot programme for the induction of aerial refuelling capability into the PAF. Mainly being used to train aircrews in the process of in-flight refuelling, this capability also gives the Mirage fighters significantly greater range and loitering time, which is limited compared to modern aircraft of similar size due to the older, less efficient turbojet engines of the Mirage III/V. Some have speculated that addition of in-flight refuelling capability may have been a 5th stage of the ROSE programme, ROSE V.

All in all the PAF operate 181 Mirages

121 Mirage III's
60 Mirage V

Mirage III Fleet Consist of the Following

Mirage IIIEP-63 (Orginal variant made for Pakistan )
Mirage-IIIO-43 ( Australian versions bought in the 1980's)
Mirage-IIIR/PR ( Orginal versions made for pakistan )

role:-Ground strike, ground support
Interceptor
Reconnaissance

Mirage V fleet consist of (all orginal variants made for pakistan)

Mirage-5PA3-12
Mirage-5PA2-18
Mirage-5PA-28
Mirage-5VDPA2-2

Role:-Naval support
Ground strike
Training
 

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Euro fighter typhoon

tamil
nice shots of su 30
wich one is best in mrca contenders??
ur opinion,i will go for either euro or gripen

I am Strightly go for EURO FIGHTER TYPHOON with a new deal, as a partner of that project. means UK, Germany, Italy and Spain now if we sign it! then UK, Germany, Italy Spain and India :india:

http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/mi...2015-mmrca-news-discussions-32.html#post48759

Broadsword: Facing order cuts at home, Eurofighter sweetens India offer
 

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Sorry for this to all

Nataraj and Tamil, avoid Short forms like " 4 ","ur" and "plz" . Type them in full always. But you can use Acronyms from the allowed list . There is a thread for it.

SORRY TO ALL MEMBERS REGARDS THIS PROBLEM

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So Sorry for the silly comment. Please give me a valid link where it says FGFA is term used for twin seat and PAKFA for single seat versions or what ever you wrote.
Mr. rimser9 in Wikipedia itself the details available. Thankx...

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Some special pictures of PAK FA, But i don't 100% sure about it. I taken from a Russian forum.

BUT the First one is CG ONLY
 

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Are you crazy? B2s for IAF? $2 billion dollars each. For 5 pieces of it we pay $10 billion. India is buying 126 multi role fighters for that amount.
 

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Are you crazy? B2s for IAF? $2 billion dollars each. For 5 pieces of it we pay $10 billion. India is buying 126 multi role fighters for that amount.
i dont know about the cost but i thought it will be around 4000 crores
anyway ok
 

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India’s growing military muscle

The recent launch of an indigenously produced nuclear powered submarine once again brought to fore India’s expanding military capabilities and its ambitions to be a global player. Clearly, when the 6,000-ton Arihant along with the other additional two (or four) of its class are commissioned around 2020 it would be a quantum jump in its strategic posture and assets. Acquisition of a nuclear powered submarines forms part of India’s nuclear doctrine that is based on the concept of triad i.e. developing land, air and sea strike capability and adherence to “No First Use” (NFU). Major nuclear powers consider submersible launched nuclear-tipped missiles critical in terms of providing second-strike capability. Submarines are autonomous under water platforms for launching nuclear-tipped missiles and are relatively safe from enemy action as these are practically noiseless and stealth makes it hard to detect by sonar and radar. Thus they are able to achieve both mobility and surprise. And by escaping detection they can survive adversary’s first strike. Nuclear-powered submarines’ distinct advantage over diesel electric ones is their unlimited endurance in remaining submersed and therefore in a state of readiness. This is the major reason why US, France and few other countries have abandoned the production of conventional submarines and only manufacture nuclear-powered submarines.

In terms of technology too, Arihant is a major breakthrough for India. Manufacturing a submarine requires mastery of a broad range of critical technologies ranging from development of a pressurised water reactor, containment vessel, turbines, sonar and sound navigation and ranging systems, electronics, long-wave communication network and systems integration.

In addition India has undertaken a parallel development of missiles to be launched from submarines. India’s defence production has greatly benefited from the support received from Russia in terms of design, production of major assemblies, training equipment and training of personnel. France, Israel and other countries have also assisted in this project and continue to do so. In the longer term India aims at achieving strategic parity against China through the development of its naval nuclear and conventional capabilities.

Induction of nuclear submarines is directed primarily to remove asymmetry with China that has 11 nuclear and 60 conventional submarines and has recently inducted three new nuclear submarines. Meanwhile, in the coming decade India plans to augment its surface ship fleet by an additional 40 ships.

Both India and China aim at expanding their influence in the waters of the Indian Ocean, Gulf and Malacca straits. They want to secure sea lanes by projecting power. United States and Russia are supportive of India’s ambitions.

India is simultaneously modernising and expanding its air force. It plans to induct 126 fourth and fifth generation multi-role aircraft from US, Russia and France to phase out old fleet of Russian MiGs and adding 10 squadrons to the IAF. After initial procurement emphasis is on establishing indigenous production lines. If the recent US offer of sale and co-production of F-18 Hornet E/F series to India materialises it will bring a qualitative upgrading in its delivery systems. With the help of Israel and US, India is also developing a long-range reconnaissance capability and an air defence system. India’s missile capability is set to grow at a steady pace. It has developed both ballistic and cruise missile technology providing it the ability to project power. India is improving range and accuracy of its long range missiles to be able to reach potential targets in China. Pakistan has kept pace with India in both missile and nuclear development and have operational missiles with a range of 2000 km that practically cover most of India.

Critical technologies associated with India’s space program that includes two vehicles the Polar Stationery Launch Vehicle and the geostationary-launch vehicle have been transferred to the missile programmes.

Unlike India, Pakistan does not contemplate having missiles launched from nuclear powered submarine as a part of its nuclear force in the foreseeable future. High cost, non-availability of nuclear submarines and different strategic goals are the main reasons for this. However, if the vulnerabilities of Pakistan’s land-based systems to pre-emptive attack should increase the option of using conventional submarines with Independent Air Propulsion systems procured from France or Germany and fitting them with nuclear-tipped missiles could be an option.

It would, however, be a folly to imitate or be reactive in responding to India’s military build-up. India’s size, population and resources, and its industrial, technological and economic base places it in competition with China and other major players. Prudence demands that we formulate domestic, foreign and defence policies that are commensurate with our power potential and based on well articulated national priorities. This does not imply that Pakistan should lower its security guard that could allow external powers to exploit. What is crucial is to balance resources between development and defence and take a more comprehensive approach towards security, keeping in mind that our immediate threat is internal. Moreover, acquisition of advance weapon systems alone is not sufficient to protect a nation against aggression. We have a classic example of Soviet Union and later of Yugoslavia disintegrating despite their inflated military power. Besides we must learn from the example of Finland and Switzerland that have struggled to stay independent and not accepted the hegemony of relatively very powerful neighbours. Middle level powers like Pakistan have to defend their national integrity and interests through political stability, economic development, national cohesion, astute diplomacy and professionally dedicated military force.

India’s growing military muscle
 

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