Comparative study of Indian Air Force and Pakistan Air Force

[Sabir]

I think till 90s Pakistan matched with India in air power to some extent atleast proportonate to size of their country (IAF's Mirage2000, Mig-29 and PAF's F-16 being the frontline aircrafts). Since India started Introducing Sukhoi-30 and Later Su-30 MKI the gap started widenning. Still today PAF has no Air-craft to match Su-30MKI (Remember it's superior to China's Sukhoi-30MK). Now India is going to Induct 126 MCRA (number can be increased upto 200), 200+ Tejas-MK2, 130-140 more Su-MKI (actual order was of 230-240 and at present we have around 98-110) and also MCA and PAK-FA/FGFA in pipeline. Due to their poor economic condition PAF is solely dependent of J-17 (and possibly J-10 in future) which lacks proven western components significantly.So around 2017-2020 PAF will be far behind India quantitively and qualititively. Dont consider the upgradation works in bothe sides.At the end of next decade mirage rose or Mig-21 would hardly be operational whatever the Air-forces claim. If MCA and FGFA projects go well IAF will be superior to PLAAF also, atleast in term of quality.:twizt:

 

[prahladh]

I would be more than happy if MCA is even tested by 2015.

 

[Arjak]

No chance for mca to be tested by 2015,as much development of mca would depend on the experience gained from the pak-fa project......but lets hope against hope

 

[Neo]

I think till 90s Pakistan matched with India in air power to some extent atleast proportonate to size of their country (IAF's Mirage2000, Mig-29 and PAF's F-16 being the frontline aircrafts). Since India started Introducing Sukhoi-30 and Later Su-30 MKI the gap started widenning. Still today PAF has no Air-craft to match Su-30MKI (Remember it's superior to China's Sukhoi-30MK). Now India is going to Induct 126 MCRA (number can be increased upto 200), 200+ Tejas-MK2, 130-140 more Su-MKI (actual order was of 230-240 and at present we have around 98-110) and also MCA and PAK-FA/FGFA in pipeline. Due to their poor economic condition PAF is solely dependent of J-17 (and possibly J-10 in future) which lacks proven western components significantly.So around 2017-2020 PAF will be far behind India quantitively and qualititively. Dont consider the upgradation works in bothe sides.At the end of next decade mirage rose or Mig-21 would hardly be operational whatever the Air-forces claim. If MCA and FGFA projects go well IAF will be superior to PLAAF also, atleast in term of quality.:twizt:

IAF has overall superiority over PAF but most of the numbers provided are future projections, no one can tell the exact timeframe in which these will be inducted.

Its true that PAF is trailing behind IAF in many capacities but she is in much better shape today than a decade ago. You left out the JF-17 Block II which will be there within 2 years, the 4.5 gen FC-20 which will be a very potent MRCA with western avionics and weapon uite and ofcourse the Block 52 F-26 which is due next year. Existing and additional ex-USAF F-16's will have MLU3 which will bring them to same standard as the Block 52 with full BVRAAM, Air refuelling and increased MTOW and Payload.

Don't get fooled by the new birds you're inducting, Mig-21 Bison is still the backbone of IAF and can be countered by PAF easily.

Just my do paisa....

 

[Arjak]

Neo,jf17 blk2 within 2yrs would be a miracle!......new engine order,radar order,ew suite order.......recieving them......modifying the jf17 for including them......and actually start inducting them within 2 yrs is not possible imo.

 

[bhramos]

I think till 90s Pakistan matched with India in air power to some extent atleast proportonate to size of their country (IAF's Mirage2000, Mig-29 and PAF's F-16 being the frontline aircrafts). Since India started Introducing Sukhoi-30 and Later Su-30 MKI the gap started widenning. Still today PAF has no Air-craft to match Su-30MKI (Remember it's superior to China's Sukhoi-30MK). Now India is going to Induct 126 MCRA (number can be increased upto 200), 200+ Tejas-MK2, 130-140 more Su-MKI (actual order was of 230-240 and at present we have around 98-110) and also MCA and PAK-FA/FGFA in pipeline. Due to their poor economic condition PAF is solely dependent of J-17 (and possibly J-10 in future) which lacks proven western components significantly.So around 2017-2020 PAF will be far behind India quantitively and qualititively. Dont consider the upgradation works in bothe sides.At the end of next decade mirage rose or Mig-21 would hardly be operational whatever the Air-forces claim. If MCA and FGFA projects go well IAF will be superior to PLAAF also, atleast in term of quality.:twizt:

wat ever u say , but at the end of the Piolot training saves the War, but i hope PAF has the best trained in the region as the fly most of the advanced western planes in Saudi & other Middle-eastern countries.....

 

[Sabir]

Sukhoi-Pak-Fa is supposed to have first flight at the end of this year...or delayed to next year. That of FGFA (two seater Indian version) will be on 2012. Aound 2017 you can expect induction of FGFA in IAF. For that of MCA wait for 2020-2022.

 

[Sabir]

wat ever u say , but at the end of the Piolot training saves the War, but i hope PAF has the best trained in the region as the fly most of the advanced western planes in Saudi & other Middle-eastern countries.....

PAF pilots are really well trained. But about experience they are equal to IAF pilots I hope. They had combat experince in Israil-Arab wars where PAF pilots also participated and did well also. But certainly they cant field them now. And they planes were used in those wars are becoming obsolete and technology evolving pilots are becoming more dependent on machines rather than their own skill. the last sentence is the opinion of legendary Israili pilot who holds the record of bringing down maximum number of enemy planes (17 possibly) in his career.

 

[natarajan]

wat ever u say , but at the end of the Piolot training saves the War, but i hope PAF has the best trained in the region as the fly most of the advanced western planes in Saudi & other Middle-eastern countries.....

really??
1971 even with advanced fighters cant beat us but our iaf with soviet aircraft thrashed paf(note Us was with pakistanis at that time)

 

[A M J]

Its a waste to compare IAF with PAF.
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We are never going to attack, so whats the point of all this weeny comparison?.
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All these Su-30 MKIs will be phased out after 40 years to museums all over the country. And not a single one entering where it is meant to - Over the Nemesis firing super-sonic Bhramos.

 

[F-14]

neo dont write of the MiG just as yet you see what the Mig did in Nam with the USAF pilots and after all it is the Combination of the Man and the mechine and tatics that dictate the day besides the MiG-21 Bision consist of the following Upgrades The upgrade consists of Phazotron NIIR's Kopyo multimode, X-band pulse Doppler radar, new nosecone, new canopy, single-piece windshield and new canopy made of stressed acrylic composites, Sextant's TOTEM RLG-INS with NSS-100P GPS embedded GPS receivers, El-Op HUD, Sextant MFD-55 LCD display, autopilot, DRDO's Tarang radar warning receivers (RWR), digital flight data recorder, new liquid air cooling system, HOTAS controls, a SURA helmet mounted sight, stores management system, digital air data computer system, short range radio navigation system, new HF/VHF/UHF radios, twin conformal Vympel flare dispensers (26mm, 120 rounds) and a new electric power supply system isnt it the same for the PAF that the Vinatge Mirage serise makes up your back bone the PAF is the largest operater of the Mirage III/V serise ?? all upgaraded to various statges of the ROSE upgrade package so it even stevens as of now

 

[Sabir]

IAF has overall superiority over PAF but most of the numbers provided are future projections, no one can tell the exact timeframe in which these will be inducted.

Its true that PAF is trailing behind IAF in many capacities but she is in much better shape today than a decade ago. You left out the JF-17 Block II which will be there within 2 years, the 4.5 gen FC-20 which will be a very potent MRCA with western avionics and weapon uite and ofcourse the Block 52 F-26 which is due next year. Existing and additional ex-USAF F-16's will have MLU3 which will bring them to same standard as the Block 52 with full BVRAAM, Air refuelling and increased MTOW and Payload.

Don't get fooled by the new birds you're inducting, Mig-21 Bison is still the backbone of IAF and can be countered by PAF easily.

Just my do paisa....

We hardly have any information about capability of fighters made by china. Only your pilots can tell as some J-17 have already appeared there.But how they are when fully operational will take some time to know even from them. Heared new engine will be used in J-17 blok 2 as PAF is not happy with present engine. installation new engine, testing, weaponisations......within 2 years difficult task.

 

[1.44]

IAF has overall superiority over PAF but most of the numbers provided are future projections, no one can tell the exact timeframe in which these will be inducted.

Its true that PAF is trailing behind IAF in many capacities but she is in much better shape today than a decade ago. You left out the JF-17 Block II which will be there within 2 years, the 4.5 gen FC-20 which will be a very potent MRCA with western avionics and weapon uite and ofcourse the Block 52 F-26 which is due next year. Existing and additional ex-USAF F-16's will have MLU3 which will bring them to same standard as the Block 52 with full BVRAAM, Air refuelling and increased MTOW and Payload.

Don't get fooled by the new birds you're inducting, Mig-21 Bison is still the backbone of IAF and can be countered by PAF easily.

Just my do paisa....

Even the PLAAF is not sure about using jf-17 and you're talking about block 2?
I'd like to see the upgrades on it which are possible in two years.At the end of the day it's just a cheap alternative for replacing obsolete aircraft.
As for the mig-21bison it'll be good to see how those spanking new Jf-17's measure against it.

 

[natarajan]

we will never attack anyone but pakistan may attack if they get support from chinese
anytime kargil lk things may happen so it is better to be prepared as we all know we lost huge chunks of land to pakistan and chinese

 

[amitkriit]

For IAF only respectable/comparable benchmark is PLAAF.
PLAAF has already decided not to use JF-17, aircraft has a very small operational range, not fit for China.

 

[Tamil]

Neo ru awake???

IAF has overall superiority over PAF but most of the numbers provided are future projections, no one can tell the exact timeframe in which these will be inducted.

Its true that PAF is trailing behind IAF in many capacities but she is in much better shape today than a decade ago. You left out the JF-17 Block II which will be there within 2 years, the 4.5 gen FC-20 which will be a very potent MRCA with western avionics and weapon uite and ofcourse the Block 52 F-26 which is due next year. Existing and additional ex-USAF F-16's will have MLU3 which will bring them to same standard as the Block 52 with full BVRAAM, Air refuelling and increased MTOW and Payload.

Don't get fooled by the new birds you're inducting, Mig-21 Bison is still the backbone of IAF and can be countered by PAF easily.

Just my do paisa....

Our current 98 Su-30 MKI / 63 MiG-29 / MiG-21 Bison is enough to destroy the hole bunch of PAF inventory.

* PAK FA test flight in this month around 18th not confirmed yet.

in a note future projection:

* Su-30MKI is finished 128 in 2015 (TOTAL - 230)
* MRCA Joining from 2015 (TOTAL - 126+)
* LCA may join b4 2012 (TOTAL - 300-350+)
* PAK FA is join 1-2 Sqd b4 2016 (TOTAL - 30-40)
* FGFA joining in 2017 (TOTAL - 250+)

ON PAF NOTE:

16-20 F-16 C/D Blk 50/52 2010/11*
JF-17 total 250 in 2016/17
FC-20 is ordered 20 comes around 2011/12

any 2 go for PAF????



Neo it is not a defense.pk to ban all member who are not upto your propaganda WE ARE INDIANS WE SALUTE AND RESPECT EVERYONE. SORRY TO SAY THIS BUT CHANGE YOUR STYLE THERE.

NEARLY 4000 POST MEMBERS OF INDIAN IS BANNED. NOT SEE A SINGLE OWN STATE PERSONS TO BE BANNED.

 

[p2prada]

IAF has overall superiority over PAF but most of the numbers provided are future projections, no one can tell the exact timeframe in which these will be inducted.

Its true that PAF is trailing behind IAF in many capacities but she is in much better shape today than a decade ago. You left out the JF-17 Block II which will be there within 2 years, the 4.5 gen FC-20 which will be a very potent MRCA with western avionics and weapon uite and ofcourse the Block 52 F-26 which is due next year. Existing and additional ex-USAF F-16's will have MLU3 which will bring them to same standard as the Block 52 with full BVRAAM, Air refuelling and increased MTOW and Payload.

Don't get fooled by the new birds you're inducting, Mig-21 Bison is still the backbone of IAF and can be countered by PAF easily.

Just my do paisa....

Long time. Nice to see you here.

Neo, what do you suggest about PAF's night fighting capability. THe last I heard, PAF's first night capable aircraft were a handful of Mirage-IIIs with special ROSE upgrades inducted in 2008. A handful of F-16s upgraded by the Turks, I guess.

That against ~400 IAF fighters with night flying capabilities. Mig-27, Jaguar, MKIs will be able to hit targets with near impunity for almost 10 hours after sundown.

 

[prahladh]

Tamil, PAKFA and FGFA are the same IMO?

 

[natarajan]

just check how many fighter pakistan has
f16 45
mirage III 121
mirage IV 60
f7 192
nanchang a5 42
total 460
at present both iaf and paf are almost equal
*mirages are upgraded heavily

 

[Arjak]

just check how many fighter pakistan has
f16 45
mirage III 121
mirage IV 60
f7 192
nanchang a5 42
total 460
at present both iaf and paf are almost equal
*mirages are upgraded heavily

lolz....100 mki-s can take them all out!.....add to that some mig29 ,mirage,mig21 bison..,.....buddy,you seem to be new to ac capabilities