Commemoration of Muharram

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  1. ejazr

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    The Islamic new Year began around 2 weeks ago. The first month is called Muharram (meaning respected)

    The tenth of Muharram is also significant because Imam Hussain the grandson of the Prophet was martyred on this day as well and observe a solemn occasion for mourning. Shias also take out processions although there is difference of opinion on wether hurting yourself is legitmate way to mourn or not. The martydom of Hussain (RA) is a story of how even in "apparent" defeat, the morally right will be victorious.

    Muslims also observe fasts on the two days around 10th of Muharram

     
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    i dont know what i should post ?
     
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    Bloody hell.......we Indians are sooo much aloof Religion that we don't even know what to say....Same goes for me :)
     
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    What to say? i guess the same you would say on the death anniversary of any founder of religion and his sons.

    10th of Moharram is very important for Shias in particular. Its a day which is more important than Eid as well. If their was no Husain, there would have been no Islam. Going into details is very difficult and is a never ending topic of discussion.
     
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    But Husayn ibn Ali wasn't the founder of Islam...and i see mourning by shias totally illogical.
     
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    Prophet was the founder of Islam, Husain was the saviour.
     
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    Husayn ibn ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib (Arabic: حسين بن علي بن أﺑﻲ طالب‎)‎ (3rd Sha‘bān 4 AH - 10th Muharram 61 AH; 8 January 626 AD - 10 October 680 AD) was the son of ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib (final Rashidun Caliph and first Shia Imām) and Fātimah Zahrā (daughter of Muhammad). Husayn is an important figure in Islām as he is a member of the Ahl al-Bayt (the household of Muhammad) and Ahl al-Kisā, as well as being a Shīa Imām, and one of The Fourteen Infallibles of Shīa Twelvers. He is recognized as the 'Martyr Of Martyrs' by both Sunni and Shia.

    Husayn ibn ‘Alī is exalted by all the Shīa as a martyr who fought tyranny as he refused to pledge allegiance to the tyrantYazīd I, the Umayyad caliph. He rose up to create a regime that would reinstate a "true" Islāmic polity as opposed to what he considered the unjust rule of the Umayyads. As a consequence, Husayn was killed and beheaded in the Battle of Karbalā in 680 (61AH) by Shimr Ibn Thil-Jawshan. The anniversary of his Shahid martyrdom is called ‘Āshūrā ("tenth" day of Muharram) and is a day of mourning for the Shīa Muslims. Revenge for Husayn's death was turned into a rallying cry that helped undermine the Umayyad caliphate and gave impetus to the rise of a powerful Shīa movement.
     
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    That is disputed though....shias say he should have succeeded because of blood relation whereas sunnis say Prophet said to the elders to choose amongst themselves who will lead after him.
     
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    Ernesto,

    That is the dispute that has historically caused the schism!

    One could go on debating but if they have not found the answer, I don't think we could either!

    :)
     
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    Matter of individual faith. Like i said in my earlier post. This is not the forum to discuss all that and i certainly wont take part even if someone did want to discuss it.
     
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    There is always solution if people are logical! Answer is simple. Believe in God and not in humans.

    There should be no middle man between you and God. Even Prophet himself said that dont worship me because i am merely a man and i do what God tells me to do.

    Alright. :)
     
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    But people are not logical.

    Neither is religion. Any religion!

    They only give a message to guide people to live a decent and honest life.

    There are so many parables and examples in them that which apparently defy logic and scientific explanation!

    Just a matter of faith!

    One should look to the inner meaning that Moharrum signifies.

    That is where the beauty and verity lies!
     
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    Ernesto, the concept of God was spread by the founders of religion. At least as far as Abrahamic religions are concerned. So yes we pray only to God, but the one who showed the way to God is respected, be it Moses, Jesus or Mohammed (PBUH). And as muslims, shias in particular, the household of Mohammed PBUH is very important and are revered.
     
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    Well my purpose was to just inform people about this as it is a public holiday but not many people know about what Muharram is about. The two Eid are obviously the more well known and important festivals as well.

    Let me clarify that for all Muslims including Sunnis, Muharram is sacred month. The 9th, 10th and 11th are days of fasting are most important after Ramadan. Although Sunnis agree and commerate the martydom of Hazrat Hussain in Muharram, there is difference of opinion on wether they should hold mourning sessions particularly in public. That is why usually shias hold these processions. There is also difference of opinion among shia scholars who hold that mourning should be symbolic and should not result in blood being spilt or hurting oneself while others do it with passion saying that this is their way of commemorating the event.

    So mainly two points about Muharram

    (1) For all muslims after Ramadan, Muharram is a sacred month and start of the new Islamic calendar. The 9th 10th and 11th days are important for fasting and have most important reward after Ramadan.

    (2) For mainly Shias, it is a day to remember the sacrifices of Hussain (RA) against tyranny. A story of being victorious due to their moral standing even in "apparent" defeat. To mark this day they hold special mourning sessions and processions. While Sunni school of though although sorrowful of the event do not consider it necessary to hold special mourning sessions.
     

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