Closet socialists love subsidized diesel for SUVs, cars

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  1. pmaitra

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    Over 13% diesel consumed by high-end cars, SUVs in India, study says

    Source: Over 13% diesel consumed by high-end cars, SUVs in India, study says - The Times of India

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    I wonder how many of these beneficiaries of subsidy and high-end car/SUV owners criticize the Communists at every given opportunity! :lol:
     
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  3. Twinblade

    Twinblade Senior Member Senior Member

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    Every single one of the guys that owns a diesel I know of is a BJP voter. It's rather ironic when they whinge about the government freebies and hop on into their Diesel cars which they brought because Diesel was cheaper, but I guess that applies to all of us in one way or another. We all use subsidised products everyday. Petrol, more often than not, is subsidised, gas is subsidised, the food that we eat has an inflated cost because of government's minimum support price. The only way out of this mess is direct cash transfer scheme, which would be a bitch to implement for Diesel.
     
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    Large majority of politician cars themselves are actually diesel, and also happen to be cars like innova,safari,qualis scorpios.taveras and sumos. probably contribute to a huge part of the consumption.
     
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    I am a BJP supporter and against subsidies for the rich.
     
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    +1. I am with you on this!
     
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    @Twinblade

    And that you extrapolated it across the board.

    Fuel is not subsidised one paise by the Govt. It is just clever accounting by the GOI. A product which is taxed 5o to 60% cannot be subsidised. Fuel subsidy in India is an Oxymoron.

    Moreover if Diesel prices are increased by Rs. 10 it will not have any impact on the SUV owners. At an average if they fill 200 Litres per month, their bill will go up by Rs. 2000 which will not effect them, but if the price of petrol goes up by Rs. 2 Lakhs of Two wheeler owners are affected the most.
     
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    Did anybody read the nonsense peddled out by TOI in the above article.

    In line one the report mention Commercial Vehicles consume 8.93% of the Diesel and while in line 2 they mention the figure at 28.25%.

    the reality is that the largest consumer of Diesel is IR followed by the Commercial Sector and then the Armed forces.
     
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    One of the stupidest article by TOI. and BTW, it conveniently avoids the Central Govt. and its cabinet too. I understand the usage by the family is unethical and punitive measures should be there if caught. However, curbing fuel usage by the MPs, MLAs, Bureaucrats or the ministers would be moronic, as excepting officials whose duty and working place is fixed - none of the others can afford to sit tight (although many do) in a office to perform their actual duty. Don't this journo crying foul - and people of similar mind - claim TA or gets fuel cost by their companies? So what if these public servant gets the same? What happens when a DM runs out of allotted fuel for the month, should he then not go places on official duty; or a minister? I mean it's insane charge. Next they will say the army vehicles are guzzling down diesel so they should curb their usage??!!!! These sort of journos have become so common that people have also stopped using their brains!!! Using public transport? These same people will cry inconvenience if a minister and his/her entourage starts using public transport with security etc.
     
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    8.93% = Commercial passenger vehicle
    28.25% = Commercial goods vehicle
     
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    Absolute Hogwash, I have a Diesel SUV. Quite a big one at that.
    Imagine even if I wanted, I cant buy non subzidized diesel in any manner that could be used for practical purposes in India.
    Is there a system by which these owners can buy fuel elsewhere? or is there a way by which Government can distribute and variate the prices of fuel according to the prices of car's, or even more simply as Private and Commercial ? Fact of the matter is, they cant.
    Why isnt India banning these heavy SUV's?

    Attacking the rich or the successful has become a favorite passtime for Indians, no matter even if that person has made money through rightful means.


    Rich is ready for non subsidized fuel, they never asked for it in the first place, is the poor ready. NO
    The Rich is ready for non subsidized fuel while the poor gets subsidized fuel, Does the Government have a fool proof mechanism for it? NO.
    Do the rich buy the Vehicles in India? Yes
    Do the Rich pay much higher taxes for these Vehicles they buy? They do! So how is the Rich Abusing the system
     
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    This AAP kind of bullshit has been pushed to the idiotic Indian Mango Abdul enough.
    Start Working, I have 200 workers from NREGA working my 'private property', because the Panchyat President has to find somewhere for them to work and those buggers for 3 hours and then sleep. I am building veranda is full of these moochers sleeping now
     
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    Pmaitra, we have discussed this earlier. Why don't you tell me an option where I can buy "non-subsidized diesel" for my SUV? Tell me. Where can I get non-subsidized diesel?

    I bought an SUV because I like big cars. If I had bought it due to cheap fuel cost, I would have bought a small diesel car like Maruti Swift diesel. I criticize the commies and socialists, I hate them. And I want the BJP to come to power this time. So, what now? To prove my credentials to socialist admirers, should I give up my desire to drive an SUV, and drive a Maruti Alto? Did I ask for the subsidy? When petrol subsidy was removed, I used to own a petrol car, and yet, I was a strong proponent of the removal of subsidy. I supported that move, even though it affected me to a great extent.

    This whole argument is silly.
     
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    already there is dual pricing for Diesel. For Bulk users who get the Diesel in Trucks there is a higher charge then the other users.

    Did the report try to find out how much Diesel is being consumed by the Cellular Companies?
     
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    No. Even the bulk customers have to go via the retail SBUs (logistics companies, cellular operators). There is a single pricing scheme for retail market. The industrial customers go via the the industrial SBU (railways, heavy industry). Bulk customers actually have an advantage as far as retail purchase go as they get a lot of credit from the dealer they chose to buy the diesel from. The price advantage via the industrial route is negligible, they just bypass the dealer commission present in retail route.

    As far as cellular companies are concerned, they are the second largest clients in the petroleum retail market after the logistics and transportation companies. They do not purchase diesel directly but via third party contractors that maintain and fuel their generators. I cannot quote authoritative figures because the figures vary from one sales area to the other and the purchases are not direct, but the estimated off take varies from 5-12% of the market depending on the telecom density and power availability in the state.
     
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    What a silly comment

    Beneficieries of the subsidies as you have mentioned here are the "actual" reason the Govt has the money to provide subsidy in the first place.

    But, I am sure, the Commie dogs will find a way to provide subsidies if the middle class and the rich dont pay their taxes:thumb:

    Anyway, during Independance, West bengal's Per Capita income was 5% higher than that of Maharastra. Now it is 58% lesser than that of Maharastra.

    So yeah, pardon us if we dont want Commie dogs in power all over India so that they don't take the whole India to trash like the way they did with West Bengal:rolleyes:
     
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    @sob, why don't you read it again? It is not that difficult to understand.

    Diesel locomotives are generally not included under "commercial vehicles." Moreover, commercial sector is a different thing than commercial vehicles.
     
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    @Bangalorean and @Mad Indian,

    Simple point - most people are hypocrites and closet socialists. Even the rich will not give up subsidy if he can benefit from it. That is a fact, and that is the point of this thread.

    Personally, you might be Raja Harishchandra, but this thread is not about you.
     
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    Does anybody have the correct breakup of central, state levies on each liter for fuel dispensed to the public, both diesel and petrol?
     
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