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Brains are not present - consider cripple.That's even more humiliative and rediculous, like Maxim MGs in the Army
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Arguments depletion is hard pain in the ass, but you must pace
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It is impossible to tell to blind about daylight. Continue to trust.Arguments depletion is hard pain in the ass, but you must pace
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The company of Ukrainian BMP will take part in the studies of NATO. The American base is in Germany.
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They will imitate Russian targets?It is impossible to tell to blind about daylight. Continue to trust.
Trust is not my cup of tea, facts are.
But facts are not on your side these years withva little exclusions
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Maybe. Or can for trainings of co-operation at preparation to big war.They will imitate Russian targets?
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05.27.17. Video from a resource "Gorlovka InfoCenter".
"Gorlovka. 26.05 .2017g. The shelling of the APU has deprived residents of Golm water. At this time, the Ukrainian officials were right to fire. 122mm. shell landed in the water supply pipe, depriving civilians of the village water. At the time of the shooting repairs already made. "
"Gorlovka. 26.05 .2017g. The shelling of the APU has deprived residents of Golm water. At this time, the Ukrainian officials were right to fire. 122mm. shell landed in the water supply pipe, depriving civilians of the village water. At the time of the shooting repairs already made. "
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"Fighting robots helped FSB special forces to rescue the hostages in Crimea - staff exercises Scraping above Yalta -.. Undeclared chapter exercises FSB on the plateau Ai-Petri began liquidation of the largest support base of Islamic extremists Crimea The peninsula is unfolding large-scale Russian FSB exercises to combat terrorism Two.. thousands of fighters consecutive week will demonstrate readiness for liquidation of sabotage groups imaginary enemy on land and sea.
According to the ministry, during the exercise of the FSB special forces action will work offshore company "Chernomorneftegaz", in the resort Evpatoria, in the coastal zone areas and forested mountainous terrain. According to informed sources, "Mining and woodland" - it passes between the Crimean Yalta and Babugan-Yayla. That there is a vast plateau of Ai-Petri.
Two days ago in this area has moved a column of armored vehicles of the latest assault "Falkatus" - "The Punisher." May 21 the "betmobili" pointedly drove to Sevastopol, posing on Nakhimov Square and Mount Sapun. Hence gone down on the Yalta road. Then follows "Falkatusov" as if lost.
Pilaf for thugs
Majestic mountains leaped above Yalta. The wild beauty of the gorges, mysterious caves, and then laid on the horizon unique panorama of the Crimean Southern Coast - all these famous Ai-Petri.
In summer and winter the crowds of tourists travel to the plateau. When Yalta palm nasty oppression of the January rain, the snow here and the wonderful skiing. In the August heat mountains beckon cool and stunning views. Mishor from 1200 meters up runs Europe's largest reactionless lift. Twenty minutes of travel through the air - and you rose above the endless blue.
However, a quarter of a century as a gate reserved Ai-Petri plateau turned into a place of shameless chadnoe pumping money. Holidaymakers to feed - so on the plateau there are hundreds of cafes and restaurants. Although officially around the Yalta mountain-forest reserve and then nothing can not be built.
- Chebureki, samosa, kebab-hood, try the wine, yes! - put together in haste institution "Oriental cuisine" bring super profit. At first, one-third owned by Russian Shalmanov. Very soon they were running with the Ai-Petri. One of the most visited attractions in the South Coast has become a place of unchallenged dominance of the Majlis. *
At one time even the Security Service of Ukraine did not deny that the training on the plateau are Wahhabi centers. By 2000, they were joined by a group of supporters worldwide caliphate - "Hizb ut-Tahrir." **
In the off-season, when visitors No access here is difficult, ah-Petri tavern was filled with a distinctive look beards. Islamists lectured, trained in the field. Almost openly held shooting, climbing special training and combat coordination. Cooks interfere in huge vats pilaf for thugs - in the same way as for holidaymakers and tourists.
"Go away, this is our land"
Groups boevikov- "Hizb" really controlled the mountains above the resort capital of Crimea until Bakhchisaray, Sevastopol Ternovka and Alushta. "The last Russian Ai-Petri" became owners of Slavic cafes, former employees "Artek" Natalia and Victor. When the dream of the pioneers of the Soviet Union began to collapse, Lyamina family moved to the mountains. We invested all the family savings, bought a place lined up quietly. But it was enough to take the first visitors as there were on the verge of bearded neighbors: "Here is our land! .."
When customers face, almost daily - Threats and dirty mat. Son of the chairman of Yalta Majlis openly threatened to "put in jail Tatar." This is when stripped naked, tied to a tree, and who passes by can beat, spit, defecate in the accident. A reason for punishment - Russian dared to put dostarkhan and cook oriental dishes ..!
The only reaction of the Ukrainian police - warned Victor Lyamina that discharge into attacking his 12-th caliber, he is entitled only when gunmen burst into the house. Believers tried to buy Russian business. Gave a third of the price, and warned that it is still a good option, "Get out, or throw the force."
In war as in war. He shot up over the roof of the Russian flag. He stood next to a small carriage of the old guns. And through the sticky shouts local touts resounds: "Orthodox, come to us!" It turned out, this is also a good public relations. Guests from the Kuban and Rostov-on-Don pleasure to bang a gun "for the Horde." Cool fun Don people on Victory Day 2010. Medzhlisovtsy silently believed gun shots. And the next day, when Rostov had left on the Ai-Petri going Kurultai. Resolved: to disrupt the Russian tricolor, the firing of the gun ban for May 9 to take a fine of five thousand hryvnia. Solution wrote Khalid, son Osanai - law student and future Ukrainian prosecutor.
They attacked at night and tore down the banner. Unknown, which are very well known, smashed windows and counters. They have taken a heavy metal sign, overturned gun mount. Victor flogged left hand with an ax. In response Lyamina loaded gun Suvorovian this shot. Tricolor hung up again. And they lived up to the Crimean Spring, fleeing for their uniqueness and help the Crimean Cossacks ...
Prior to joining Russia Majlis impunity seized more than 40 thousand hectares of land on the coast and around the Crimean capital. When protege Yanukovich Crimean Prime Dzharty nicknamed "tail bits" only hinted, they say, Tatar squatting should be released voluntarily or eliminate using security forces, Mustafa Dzhemilev immediately loudly promised - in the Crimea will be blood, and land his people will not give up . The peninsula remember another statement Cemil that "Russian will not have time to run to the Kerch ferry."
The only real attempt to undermine the base of the Majlis on the Ai-Petri began operation late autumn 2007. 900 Heavy-equipped employees of the Interior Ministry of the Crimea, the soldiers of internal troops and arrived in Kiev "Berkut" bulldozers and armored vehicles intended to carry Tatar structure. It was a court order that the tavern illegally occupy reserve land. Environmental experts have argued that because of the "wild" tourism business Ai-Petri Yayla ceases to be a natural Water Collector, rivers and springs become shallow, relict forests dry out, leading to landslides and changes in climate on the South Coast.
The operation was personally led a native of Donetsk Makeyevka, the chief of the Crimean central board of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anatoly Mogilev. Medzhlisovtsy gathered his troops Askerov Bakhchisaray village of Falcon. To militants could not rise on the plateau, the road upstairs were closed. Nevertheless, the Tatars had "Berkut" a serious rebuff. Resistance led by the boss Bakhchsarai Majlis Ahtem Chiygoz, famous unpunished murder of a pregnant Slav.
This colorful character types, roamed the most violent squatting Crimean peninsula. Typically, before the assault they organized demonstrations prayers, not letting the cigarette from his mouth and not bothering to execution sazhda - obligatory prostrations. Then he picked up a stick stuffed with nails and with cries of "Allahu Akbar" rushed to the police. And after fights wisely talked to reporters about the true faith.
Local forester Igor Dmitriev showed disfigured samostroem expanses of the Ai-Petri, "I explained, that can be built in this area, because people came from Bakhchsarai Majlis and said that all the issues have been resolved documented. It remains just a couple of signatures in the Council of Ministers to obtain. Dubbed the amount that one has to pass, who wants to open a business here. Tatars told us: "We have handed over the money. We paid Majlis. Go back out there and sort it out. "
Seven years before Maidana
So, November 6, 2007-th. The cable station Ai-Petri and around - not a soul. Snow falls, the wind whistles. On rocks and stone benches frozen snipers and spotters. Bailiffs Group with the support of special forces and armored vehicles coming to the border of self-trapping. On the part of the invaders negotiations leading Ahtem Chiygoz. The one that took the Tatars money for the protected ground.
- I have not seen any court order, you pay dearly for it, it's war will - Chiygoz screaming and dirty swearing. Bulldozer easily knocks down two screens, but in front of the cafe with a heavenly name "Eden" Tatars staged a barricade. Fall under the tracks, shouting: "Davie my native land!"
The security forces are flying stones and firebombs. Action demonstratively dragging the container with gas to the fire. Near the same gas cylinders lined with cans of gasoline. The situation was about to get out of control. After a moment, he went forward commandos. Shots, explosions of light and stun grenades. Here are two dozen bespredelschikov lie on the ground in the overall pile face down. The blood on the clothes, moans and pleas for mercy. The detainees were quickly packed into paddy wagons. When the bucket smashed into the roof of the first tavern, above the plateau spreads chorus of "Hurray."
But it managed to take away not all. The group most highly trained fighters under the command of the Tatar boss nicknamed "The Shark" went on the SWAT, slipped into the incredible depth of the snow-covered slopes.
In response Dzhemilev and Chubarov accused the police of "brutal beating people who were trying to defend their property" and demanded the resignation of Mogilev. In addition, the Majlis passed a sensational decision to "general mobilization Tatar male population aged 18 to 60 years," and the creation of "Crimean self-defense forces".
Then president was Viktor Yushchenko. His party "Our Ukraine" supported the Tatars -. According to Yushchenko himself, "the only real Crimean Ukrainians" Chief of the Crimean cupola MIA really goes to resign. Ahmet Chiygoza arrested were released, Ai-Petri is actually sent to the undivided rule medzhlisovtsev. Ukrainian government turned a blind eye to the destruction of the reserve.
"For the future of our kiddies"
For many years, the entire illegal business at the Ai-Petri krysheval dzhemilevsky Majlis. At the time of transfer of the Crimea to the Russian Federation Russia on the plateau there were more than 200 "guest houses and catering establishments" without water and sanitation. Three years Russian authorities suffered reproach Ai-Petri. It seems that patience ends.
Back in late 2016 was tightly blocked the track just above the village of Falcon and the waterfall Wuchang-Su. Residents of the Crimea peninsula and the guests the way to Ai-Petri closed until 1 April. At the same time turned "planned repairs" on the cable car. In fact, the beginning of the transport blockade "tavern Town." Tourists could not get to the plateau, which affected the income samostroev hosts. Even the snow from the roofs of illegal Shalmanov was no one to clean up and the roof began to collapse under the weight of snow drifts.
In January, the Crimean leadership threatened to again carry medzhlisovskie "cafe". Traders have promised legal areas in the vicinity of the resort of Simeiz. Tatars have suggested there are 2 hectares of land near the road Sevastopol-Yalta. In response, the radicals began to prepare for a new defense: "Demolish our cafe force will not."
Fighting mood on the Ai-Petri plummeted when a month ago in Bakhchisaray Russian riot police first had to open automatic fire warning. Detained another group of supporters of the "Hizb ut-Tahrir" and otherwise it was impossible to stop the rushing attack brazen Islamists.
On Monday, overcast fog on the plateau arrived he Sergei Aksenov and "main Crimean Tatar" the State Duma, the former Deputy Prime Minister Ruslan Balbec. Especially revealing carried furniture and equipment for high-ranking guests of the three Shalmanov. Although in March the owners vowed to organize protests and "lie down under the tracks," if they are to endure.
Now assure that dismantled everything yourself until early July. At the same time one of cheburechnikov directly on the camera offered Aksenov "poreshat as before." The most interesting is that of the other two hundred illegal establishments until no one makes. No mass dismantle really not.
Many Crimeans frankly do not believe in the ability of local authorities to really bring it to the end. However, Sergei Aksenov continues to assure that in the near future on the Ai-Petri exempt from illegal buildings. "All 100% will be demolished without exception. No objects will not remain here. Will Ecological Reserve. Will only station where tourists arrive by cable car, "- he added.
- This is a deep mystery why we have decided to voluntarily demolish all - spoke to reporters Nariman, representative of a company, which officially owns most of the buildings on the plateau. - We must save the land of Ai-Petri us and our little children. Full confidence in the head of the Republic, which in the presence of the press, said that there will be a walking area and nothing is to be built. Thanks to him, the chief Zaur Smirnov, deputy Ruslan Balbec, we have all the wonderful dialogue.
Today shalmanschiki like baklava with honey: and their power suits, and new sites in Bakhchisarai and Simeize happy and generally really want on the plateau will be peace and prosperity. But it is necessary to leave the television, strange crowds gather in remote Zacuto "tavern Town." In the meantime, go here armored "Falkatus". So in the reserve will be calmer.
* The Supreme Court of the Republic of Crimea 26.04.2016, recognized public association "Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people" extremist organization and banned its activities in Russia.
** By the decision of the Supreme Court on February 14, 2003 № 03-116 GKPI "Hizb ut-Tahrir" is recognized as a terrorist organization and banned in Russia. "
According to the ministry, during the exercise of the FSB special forces action will work offshore company "Chernomorneftegaz", in the resort Evpatoria, in the coastal zone areas and forested mountainous terrain. According to informed sources, "Mining and woodland" - it passes between the Crimean Yalta and Babugan-Yayla. That there is a vast plateau of Ai-Petri.
Two days ago in this area has moved a column of armored vehicles of the latest assault "Falkatus" - "The Punisher." May 21 the "betmobili" pointedly drove to Sevastopol, posing on Nakhimov Square and Mount Sapun. Hence gone down on the Yalta road. Then follows "Falkatusov" as if lost.
Pilaf for thugs
Majestic mountains leaped above Yalta. The wild beauty of the gorges, mysterious caves, and then laid on the horizon unique panorama of the Crimean Southern Coast - all these famous Ai-Petri.
In summer and winter the crowds of tourists travel to the plateau. When Yalta palm nasty oppression of the January rain, the snow here and the wonderful skiing. In the August heat mountains beckon cool and stunning views. Mishor from 1200 meters up runs Europe's largest reactionless lift. Twenty minutes of travel through the air - and you rose above the endless blue.
However, a quarter of a century as a gate reserved Ai-Petri plateau turned into a place of shameless chadnoe pumping money. Holidaymakers to feed - so on the plateau there are hundreds of cafes and restaurants. Although officially around the Yalta mountain-forest reserve and then nothing can not be built.
- Chebureki, samosa, kebab-hood, try the wine, yes! - put together in haste institution "Oriental cuisine" bring super profit. At first, one-third owned by Russian Shalmanov. Very soon they were running with the Ai-Petri. One of the most visited attractions in the South Coast has become a place of unchallenged dominance of the Majlis. *
At one time even the Security Service of Ukraine did not deny that the training on the plateau are Wahhabi centers. By 2000, they were joined by a group of supporters worldwide caliphate - "Hizb ut-Tahrir." **
In the off-season, when visitors No access here is difficult, ah-Petri tavern was filled with a distinctive look beards. Islamists lectured, trained in the field. Almost openly held shooting, climbing special training and combat coordination. Cooks interfere in huge vats pilaf for thugs - in the same way as for holidaymakers and tourists.
"Go away, this is our land"
Groups boevikov- "Hizb" really controlled the mountains above the resort capital of Crimea until Bakhchisaray, Sevastopol Ternovka and Alushta. "The last Russian Ai-Petri" became owners of Slavic cafes, former employees "Artek" Natalia and Victor. When the dream of the pioneers of the Soviet Union began to collapse, Lyamina family moved to the mountains. We invested all the family savings, bought a place lined up quietly. But it was enough to take the first visitors as there were on the verge of bearded neighbors: "Here is our land! .."
When customers face, almost daily - Threats and dirty mat. Son of the chairman of Yalta Majlis openly threatened to "put in jail Tatar." This is when stripped naked, tied to a tree, and who passes by can beat, spit, defecate in the accident. A reason for punishment - Russian dared to put dostarkhan and cook oriental dishes ..!
The only reaction of the Ukrainian police - warned Victor Lyamina that discharge into attacking his 12-th caliber, he is entitled only when gunmen burst into the house. Believers tried to buy Russian business. Gave a third of the price, and warned that it is still a good option, "Get out, or throw the force."
In war as in war. He shot up over the roof of the Russian flag. He stood next to a small carriage of the old guns. And through the sticky shouts local touts resounds: "Orthodox, come to us!" It turned out, this is also a good public relations. Guests from the Kuban and Rostov-on-Don pleasure to bang a gun "for the Horde." Cool fun Don people on Victory Day 2010. Medzhlisovtsy silently believed gun shots. And the next day, when Rostov had left on the Ai-Petri going Kurultai. Resolved: to disrupt the Russian tricolor, the firing of the gun ban for May 9 to take a fine of five thousand hryvnia. Solution wrote Khalid, son Osanai - law student and future Ukrainian prosecutor.
They attacked at night and tore down the banner. Unknown, which are very well known, smashed windows and counters. They have taken a heavy metal sign, overturned gun mount. Victor flogged left hand with an ax. In response Lyamina loaded gun Suvorovian this shot. Tricolor hung up again. And they lived up to the Crimean Spring, fleeing for their uniqueness and help the Crimean Cossacks ...
Prior to joining Russia Majlis impunity seized more than 40 thousand hectares of land on the coast and around the Crimean capital. When protege Yanukovich Crimean Prime Dzharty nicknamed "tail bits" only hinted, they say, Tatar squatting should be released voluntarily or eliminate using security forces, Mustafa Dzhemilev immediately loudly promised - in the Crimea will be blood, and land his people will not give up . The peninsula remember another statement Cemil that "Russian will not have time to run to the Kerch ferry."
The only real attempt to undermine the base of the Majlis on the Ai-Petri began operation late autumn 2007. 900 Heavy-equipped employees of the Interior Ministry of the Crimea, the soldiers of internal troops and arrived in Kiev "Berkut" bulldozers and armored vehicles intended to carry Tatar structure. It was a court order that the tavern illegally occupy reserve land. Environmental experts have argued that because of the "wild" tourism business Ai-Petri Yayla ceases to be a natural Water Collector, rivers and springs become shallow, relict forests dry out, leading to landslides and changes in climate on the South Coast.
The operation was personally led a native of Donetsk Makeyevka, the chief of the Crimean central board of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anatoly Mogilev. Medzhlisovtsy gathered his troops Askerov Bakhchisaray village of Falcon. To militants could not rise on the plateau, the road upstairs were closed. Nevertheless, the Tatars had "Berkut" a serious rebuff. Resistance led by the boss Bakhchsarai Majlis Ahtem Chiygoz, famous unpunished murder of a pregnant Slav.
This colorful character types, roamed the most violent squatting Crimean peninsula. Typically, before the assault they organized demonstrations prayers, not letting the cigarette from his mouth and not bothering to execution sazhda - obligatory prostrations. Then he picked up a stick stuffed with nails and with cries of "Allahu Akbar" rushed to the police. And after fights wisely talked to reporters about the true faith.
Local forester Igor Dmitriev showed disfigured samostroem expanses of the Ai-Petri, "I explained, that can be built in this area, because people came from Bakhchsarai Majlis and said that all the issues have been resolved documented. It remains just a couple of signatures in the Council of Ministers to obtain. Dubbed the amount that one has to pass, who wants to open a business here. Tatars told us: "We have handed over the money. We paid Majlis. Go back out there and sort it out. "
Seven years before Maidana
So, November 6, 2007-th. The cable station Ai-Petri and around - not a soul. Snow falls, the wind whistles. On rocks and stone benches frozen snipers and spotters. Bailiffs Group with the support of special forces and armored vehicles coming to the border of self-trapping. On the part of the invaders negotiations leading Ahtem Chiygoz. The one that took the Tatars money for the protected ground.
- I have not seen any court order, you pay dearly for it, it's war will - Chiygoz screaming and dirty swearing. Bulldozer easily knocks down two screens, but in front of the cafe with a heavenly name "Eden" Tatars staged a barricade. Fall under the tracks, shouting: "Davie my native land!"
The security forces are flying stones and firebombs. Action demonstratively dragging the container with gas to the fire. Near the same gas cylinders lined with cans of gasoline. The situation was about to get out of control. After a moment, he went forward commandos. Shots, explosions of light and stun grenades. Here are two dozen bespredelschikov lie on the ground in the overall pile face down. The blood on the clothes, moans and pleas for mercy. The detainees were quickly packed into paddy wagons. When the bucket smashed into the roof of the first tavern, above the plateau spreads chorus of "Hurray."
But it managed to take away not all. The group most highly trained fighters under the command of the Tatar boss nicknamed "The Shark" went on the SWAT, slipped into the incredible depth of the snow-covered slopes.
In response Dzhemilev and Chubarov accused the police of "brutal beating people who were trying to defend their property" and demanded the resignation of Mogilev. In addition, the Majlis passed a sensational decision to "general mobilization Tatar male population aged 18 to 60 years," and the creation of "Crimean self-defense forces".
Then president was Viktor Yushchenko. His party "Our Ukraine" supported the Tatars -. According to Yushchenko himself, "the only real Crimean Ukrainians" Chief of the Crimean cupola MIA really goes to resign. Ahmet Chiygoza arrested were released, Ai-Petri is actually sent to the undivided rule medzhlisovtsev. Ukrainian government turned a blind eye to the destruction of the reserve.
"For the future of our kiddies"
For many years, the entire illegal business at the Ai-Petri krysheval dzhemilevsky Majlis. At the time of transfer of the Crimea to the Russian Federation Russia on the plateau there were more than 200 "guest houses and catering establishments" without water and sanitation. Three years Russian authorities suffered reproach Ai-Petri. It seems that patience ends.
Back in late 2016 was tightly blocked the track just above the village of Falcon and the waterfall Wuchang-Su. Residents of the Crimea peninsula and the guests the way to Ai-Petri closed until 1 April. At the same time turned "planned repairs" on the cable car. In fact, the beginning of the transport blockade "tavern Town." Tourists could not get to the plateau, which affected the income samostroev hosts. Even the snow from the roofs of illegal Shalmanov was no one to clean up and the roof began to collapse under the weight of snow drifts.
In January, the Crimean leadership threatened to again carry medzhlisovskie "cafe". Traders have promised legal areas in the vicinity of the resort of Simeiz. Tatars have suggested there are 2 hectares of land near the road Sevastopol-Yalta. In response, the radicals began to prepare for a new defense: "Demolish our cafe force will not."
Fighting mood on the Ai-Petri plummeted when a month ago in Bakhchisaray Russian riot police first had to open automatic fire warning. Detained another group of supporters of the "Hizb ut-Tahrir" and otherwise it was impossible to stop the rushing attack brazen Islamists.
On Monday, overcast fog on the plateau arrived he Sergei Aksenov and "main Crimean Tatar" the State Duma, the former Deputy Prime Minister Ruslan Balbec. Especially revealing carried furniture and equipment for high-ranking guests of the three Shalmanov. Although in March the owners vowed to organize protests and "lie down under the tracks," if they are to endure.
Now assure that dismantled everything yourself until early July. At the same time one of cheburechnikov directly on the camera offered Aksenov "poreshat as before." The most interesting is that of the other two hundred illegal establishments until no one makes. No mass dismantle really not.
Many Crimeans frankly do not believe in the ability of local authorities to really bring it to the end. However, Sergei Aksenov continues to assure that in the near future on the Ai-Petri exempt from illegal buildings. "All 100% will be demolished without exception. No objects will not remain here. Will Ecological Reserve. Will only station where tourists arrive by cable car, "- he added.
- This is a deep mystery why we have decided to voluntarily demolish all - spoke to reporters Nariman, representative of a company, which officially owns most of the buildings on the plateau. - We must save the land of Ai-Petri us and our little children. Full confidence in the head of the Republic, which in the presence of the press, said that there will be a walking area and nothing is to be built. Thanks to him, the chief Zaur Smirnov, deputy Ruslan Balbec, we have all the wonderful dialogue.
Today shalmanschiki like baklava with honey: and their power suits, and new sites in Bakhchisarai and Simeize happy and generally really want on the plateau will be peace and prosperity. But it is necessary to leave the television, strange crowds gather in remote Zacuto "tavern Town." In the meantime, go here armored "Falkatus". So in the reserve will be calmer.
* The Supreme Court of the Republic of Crimea 26.04.2016, recognized public association "Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people" extremist organization and banned its activities in Russia.
** By the decision of the Supreme Court on February 14, 2003 № 03-116 GKPI "Hizb ut-Tahrir" is recognized as a terrorist organization and banned in Russia. "
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Ukraine and Russia are both trapped by the war in Donbas
http://www.economist.com/news/europ...side-can-pull-out-ukraine-and-russia-are-both
http://www.economist.com/news/europ...side-can-pull-out-ukraine-and-russia-are-both
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What Would Happen if Ukraine Attacked Russia?
‘The Ukrainian army would be completely destroyed by air strikes, and communication would be disrupted’
Vladislav Antonov | [SOURCE]
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"What would happen if Ukraine attacked Russia?”
This is a pretty silly question.
I left the Ukrainian military in December 2012, with an officer rank. Of course, many things have changed since then but I am still very well informed by my friends; many of my friends are currently on the front lines.
I assume you are asking about the military aspect, like what would happen?
Probably this:
Within a few hours, Russia would conduct a series of strikes on the air-defense systems. Probably, they would use the system “Caliber” which they have used in Syria. They also have plenty of systems like the C-10 “Granat.”
The Ukrainian army is full of Russian intelligence informants and Russia is very well-informed about our air and missile defenses, so it is very unlikely that Ukraine would be able to conceal any Surface-Air systems to prevent air strikes.
The same would happen with airfields, communication and supply lines. Once Russia wipes out the anti-air systems, they would start a massive aerial strike on the Ukrainian armored and motorized units.
After one day, it would look like this:
By that point, the Ukrainian army would panic and make a chaotic retreat.
Most likely, Russia would then launch a counter-attack from 4 directions:
Northern- Through the highway between Chernigov and Kiev
Eastern - Donbass and Lugansk area
Southern - From Crimea
South-West - From the Transnistria republic.
I would assume that the only serious resistance that the Ukrainian army could do would be in an urban area, but that would lead to thousands of civilian casualties and Russia wouldn’t do that; I doubt that the Russian population would support that. Despite the Russian-Ukrainian conflict for the last few years, almost every family from Russia has relatives in Ukraine.
So, to cut a long story short: the Ukrainian army would be completely destroyed by air strikes, and communication would be disrupted.
If I was still in the Ukrainian army, I would refuse to attack Russia; it would be better to face jail than to die or order your platoon/company to execute a mission with a guaranteed failure. I wouldn’t do that.
Edit:
P.S: Several fellow Ukrainians are calling me a traitor. I am not surprised to hear that, because currently, everyone who has an opinion different from the current government ends up being called a traitor and getting jailed. That’s what we were fighting for, right? For European standards and freedom of speech?
Unlike you guys, I was on “Maidan” and participated in the Coup against the previous government, and did many other things during 2014 and 2015. The only difference is that I was able to step back, resign from my duties in the organization I was in (I don’t want to mention its name) and come to a conclusion that war is not a solution and only the ability to forgive, ask for forgiveness and negotiate can lead to peace and prosperity.
Just like you, I believed that tanks and soldiers could bring back “Constitutional order”. The people of Eastern Ukraine proved otherwise through blood and pain. We didn’t ask their opinion when we removed the elected President from his seat and we didn’t ask for their opinion when we tried to remove Russian as the regional language. So why blame them?
If you guys think that we are fighting with Russia - you are wrong. Ukrainians are fighting against Ukrainians. One side is supported by Russia, another side by NATO countries. And so you call me a traitor because I realize that it’s civil war and not a “foreign invasion?”
Sorry, but if you want to kill people like you, from the same country - go ahead, visit the nearest recruiting center (VOENKOMAT) and join the military or join the volunteer battalions, so you can make some quick cash at the checkpoints by demanding bribes from drivers who pass through those checkpoints.
Good luck with that.
‘The Ukrainian army would be completely destroyed by air strikes, and communication would be disrupted’
Vladislav Antonov | [SOURCE]
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"What would happen if Ukraine attacked Russia?”
This is a pretty silly question.
I left the Ukrainian military in December 2012, with an officer rank. Of course, many things have changed since then but I am still very well informed by my friends; many of my friends are currently on the front lines.
I assume you are asking about the military aspect, like what would happen?
Probably this:
Within a few hours, Russia would conduct a series of strikes on the air-defense systems. Probably, they would use the system “Caliber” which they have used in Syria. They also have plenty of systems like the C-10 “Granat.”
The Ukrainian army is full of Russian intelligence informants and Russia is very well-informed about our air and missile defenses, so it is very unlikely that Ukraine would be able to conceal any Surface-Air systems to prevent air strikes.
The same would happen with airfields, communication and supply lines. Once Russia wipes out the anti-air systems, they would start a massive aerial strike on the Ukrainian armored and motorized units.
After one day, it would look like this:
By that point, the Ukrainian army would panic and make a chaotic retreat.
Most likely, Russia would then launch a counter-attack from 4 directions:
Northern- Through the highway between Chernigov and Kiev
Eastern - Donbass and Lugansk area
Southern - From Crimea
South-West - From the Transnistria republic.
I would assume that the only serious resistance that the Ukrainian army could do would be in an urban area, but that would lead to thousands of civilian casualties and Russia wouldn’t do that; I doubt that the Russian population would support that. Despite the Russian-Ukrainian conflict for the last few years, almost every family from Russia has relatives in Ukraine.
So, to cut a long story short: the Ukrainian army would be completely destroyed by air strikes, and communication would be disrupted.
If I was still in the Ukrainian army, I would refuse to attack Russia; it would be better to face jail than to die or order your platoon/company to execute a mission with a guaranteed failure. I wouldn’t do that.
Edit:
P.S: Several fellow Ukrainians are calling me a traitor. I am not surprised to hear that, because currently, everyone who has an opinion different from the current government ends up being called a traitor and getting jailed. That’s what we were fighting for, right? For European standards and freedom of speech?
Unlike you guys, I was on “Maidan” and participated in the Coup against the previous government, and did many other things during 2014 and 2015. The only difference is that I was able to step back, resign from my duties in the organization I was in (I don’t want to mention its name) and come to a conclusion that war is not a solution and only the ability to forgive, ask for forgiveness and negotiate can lead to peace and prosperity.
Just like you, I believed that tanks and soldiers could bring back “Constitutional order”. The people of Eastern Ukraine proved otherwise through blood and pain. We didn’t ask their opinion when we removed the elected President from his seat and we didn’t ask for their opinion when we tried to remove Russian as the regional language. So why blame them?
If you guys think that we are fighting with Russia - you are wrong. Ukrainians are fighting against Ukrainians. One side is supported by Russia, another side by NATO countries. And so you call me a traitor because I realize that it’s civil war and not a “foreign invasion?”
Sorry, but if you want to kill people like you, from the same country - go ahead, visit the nearest recruiting center (VOENKOMAT) and join the military or join the volunteer battalions, so you can make some quick cash at the checkpoints by demanding bribes from drivers who pass through those checkpoints.
Good luck with that.
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:blah:I agree. No chances. It is gods from Olympus.:biggrin2:What Would Happen if Ukraine Attacked Russia?
‘The Ukrainian army would be completely destroyed by air strikes, and communication would be disrupted’
Vladislav Antonov | [SOURCE]
This appeared recently on Quora, the world’s largest question and answer site.
"What would happen if Ukraine attacked Russia?”
This is a pretty silly question.
I left the Ukrainian military in December 2012, with an officer rank. Of course, many things have changed since then but I am still very well informed by my friends; many of my friends are currently on the front lines.
I assume you are asking about the military aspect, like what would happen?
Probably this:
Within a few hours, Russia would conduct a series of strikes on the air-defense systems. Probably, they would use the system “Caliber” which they have used in Syria. They also have plenty of systems like the C-10 “Granat.”
The Ukrainian army is full of Russian intelligence informants and Russia is very well-informed about our air and missile defenses, so it is very unlikely that Ukraine would be able to conceal any Surface-Air systems to prevent air strikes.
The same would happen with airfields, communication and supply lines. Once Russia wipes out the anti-air systems, they would start a massive aerial strike on the Ukrainian armored and motorized units.
After one day, it would look like this:
By that point, the Ukrainian army would panic and make a chaotic retreat.
Most likely, Russia would then launch a counter-attack from 4 directions:
Northern- Through the highway between Chernigov and Kiev
Eastern - Donbass and Lugansk area
Southern - From Crimea
South-West - From the Transnistria republic.
I would assume that the only serious resistance that the Ukrainian army could do would be in an urban area, but that would lead to thousands of civilian casualties and Russia wouldn’t do that; I doubt that the Russian population would support that. Despite the Russian-Ukrainian conflict for the last few years, almost every family from Russia has relatives in Ukraine.
So, to cut a long story short: the Ukrainian army would be completely destroyed by air strikes, and communication would be disrupted.
If I was still in the Ukrainian army, I would refuse to attack Russia; it would be better to face jail than to die or order your platoon/company to execute a mission with a guaranteed failure. I wouldn’t do that.
Edit:
P.S: Several fellow Ukrainians are calling me a traitor. I am not surprised to hear that, because currently, everyone who has an opinion different from the current government ends up being called a traitor and getting jailed. That’s what we were fighting for, right? For European standards and freedom of speech?
Unlike you guys, I was on “Maidan” and participated in the Coup against the previous government, and did many other things during 2014 and 2015. The only difference is that I was able to step back, resign from my duties in the organization I was in (I don’t want to mention its name) and come to a conclusion that war is not a solution and only the ability to forgive, ask for forgiveness and negotiate can lead to peace and prosperity.
Just like you, I believed that tanks and soldiers could bring back “Constitutional order”. The people of Eastern Ukraine proved otherwise through blood and pain. We didn’t ask their opinion when we removed the elected President from his seat and we didn’t ask for their opinion when we tried to remove Russian as the regional language. So why blame them?
If you guys think that we are fighting with Russia - you are wrong. Ukrainians are fighting against Ukrainians. One side is supported by Russia, another side by NATO countries. And so you call me a traitor because I realize that it’s civil war and not a “foreign invasion?”
Sorry, but if you want to kill people like you, from the same country - go ahead, visit the nearest recruiting center (VOENKOMAT) and join the military or join the volunteer battalions, so you can make some quick cash at the checkpoints by demanding bribes from drivers who pass through those checkpoints.
Good luck with that.
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Yes, pretty similar.
Cause dog-heads from Nubian Abyss will use Carpatian Molphares psychic energy to detect and hit god's missiles when their mammuth crap AD systems (and miserable mobile communications) will be totally jammed and disrupted by LR ARMs.
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These articles are expected to delight the ears of fans of the "Russian world". Putin bit off everything that able.
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This is realistic (but not really complete) scenario that Russian World (and objective reality) rejectors don't want to accept:These articles are expected to delight the ears of fans of the "Russian world". Putin bit off everything that able.
A bunch of poor idiots "supplied" by volounteers (+ 5UAH charity calls) and "controlled" by mobile phone cannot withstand even several hours against modern army with 65% of modern equipment, long range distantial recon, communications and network centric abilities, long range strike capabilities and so on, army into which the state has invested an $1.2 Trillions in last 10 years.
AF and AD is my cup of tea, so I know that only UAC has built and delivered to VKS 436 NEW combat and LIFT jets (not counting MLU updated and transport/special ones) + about 600 NEW helicopters in last 6 years (2010-mid 2017). How many new jets has Ukraine got in this period? How many helos?
This POW is not only mine, but your nazi gods Andrey Beletskiy (and several others on top).
Reality is a bitch for you.
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I hurry already to order itself a place on a cemeteryThis is realistic (but not really complete) scenario that Russian World (and objective reality) rejectors don't want to accept:
A bunch of poor idiots "supplied" by volounteers (+ 5UAH charity calls) and "controlled" by mobile phone cannot withstand even several hours against modern army with 65% of modern equipment, long range distantial recon, communications and network centric abilities, long range strike capabilities and so on, army into which the state has invested an $1.2 Trillions in last 10 years.
AF and AD is my cup of tea, so I know that only UAC has built and delivered to VKS 436 NEW combat and LIFT jets (not counting MLU updated and transport/special ones) + about 600 NEW helicopters in last 6 years (2010-mid 2017)
This POW is not only mine, but your nazi gods Andrey Beletskiy (and several others on top).
Reality is a bitch for you.
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. If so will all be bloodless, why did not Putin take a southeast until now? The admirers of the "Russian world" three years suffer under power of junta.
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Many reasons, don't want describe from phone, later.I hurry already to order itself a place on a cemetery
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