Chinese vessels in Kerala waters under Sri Lankan flag

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I think it is a slap in the face for India. Because GOI didn't take much precautions to stop illegal poaching by TN fisherman in SL water and now they have to face the big and better Chinese fishing vessels.
Rule 1 of confrontation: Never slap a guy who can unload a .44 magnum to your head. Just because you slapped him does not mean he will reciprocate in even manner. And trust the laws of physics, the .44 magnum stings a lot more than a slap.

It is funny to see stupidity of Indian posters here.
How a Chinese vessel engage in illegal fishing in "Kerala waters" ? India has right to arrest or take any action if any vessel under which ever flag engage in illegal fishing in their waters! If Sri Lanka has allowed to use our flag it must be with in our waters, why Indian members cry for that?
Rule 2 of confrontation: Lightweights (in this case, feather weights) should never enter into the middle of a fist-fight between two heavyweights. Whatever the outcome of the two giants, the lightweight will be the first to be knocked out, all teeth clean.

Nobody is stupid to believe that the Chinese are there only for fishing. Not even your President. But its fair enough. You have chosen to side with the Chinese against us. Its your soverign right and I respect that.

But do remember that India too has her strategic interests, her compulsions. And you'd do well to remember what she done to protect them in the past, irrespective of international treaty or pressure or coercion.

We cut up USA's favourite pet in two. Did international conventions or territorial soverignty matter to us then? Did US backing matter to us then?

We flew right over your airspace, dropping humanitarian supplies, Did your territorial soverignty matter to us then? Could anyone do anything about it then?
We threatened, right to your face, about invading you. What could you do?

We broke all maritime treaties and conventions and boared a hijacked ship off the coast of Indonesia. Did the laws make any difference to us then? Did anyone raise their voice against us then?

We kidnapped terrorists from Nepal, Bangladesh & Srilanka, bringing them to India. Did any rules matter?

Just believing a deal with the 'Mighty China' and the umbrella of international treaties will keep you secure your nation from India is laughable notion, at best.
In this game of Diplomatic chess between India and China, you are a pawn. A gullible, easy sacrificial pawn.

And about this stupid Indian stuff, I've heard some of it from your fellow geniuses. India is this, India is that. Indians are stupid, Indians are morons. Well its another mater they continue getting backlogs in our dirty, stinking, pitiful institutions

So, my advice, go to the nearest tower and abuse us to your heart's content. Because thats all you will ever be capable of doing to us. And btw, even Pak and Bangladesh are abusing us. So get in line. Too many haters. Sheesh.
 

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I saw a very recent video shot of a Vietnamese ship ramming a Chinese ship that was on some illegal mission in SCS ...
I'm not aware of that incident.

Everything is possible. Everything is possible so better to have plan A, plan B in place. What if IN really bumps a Chinese trawler, what shall be the reaction? Any rescue? Shall PLAN intervene? Shall the incident escalate?


Better prepared than sorry.
 

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I'm not aware of that incident.

Everything is possible. Everything is possible so better to have plan A, plan B in place. What if IN really bumps a Chinese trawler, what shall be the reaction? Any rescue? Shall PLAN intervene? Shall the incident escalate?


Better prepared than sorry.
I do not believe ramming a ship is a good idea, nor India will do such acts... definitely India will like to bring those on board to its shore and listen will give a patient hearing....
 
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I'm not aware of that incident.

Everything is possible. Everything is possible so better to have plan A, plan B in place. What if IN really bumps a Chinese trawler, what shall be the reaction? Any rescue? Shall PLAN intervene? Shall the incident escalate?
Better prepared than sorry.
But not to forget that those Chinese trawlers would be flying Sri-Lankan flag.
so, you have keep the legalities of that also in your mind.
 

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If a Chinese vessels flies a falg of convenience, the responsibility lies with the nation whose flag it flies.

That is the International Maritime Rules.

Therefore, the Chinese Navy cannot intervene, and if it does, then it is an act of aggression by the Chinese and not SL.

The Chinese should be ready for the consequence and that will be something since they will be far from areas where they can scoot to!
 

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If a Chinese vessels flies a falg of convenience, the responsibility lies with the nation whose flag it flies.

That is the International Maritime Rules.

Therefore, the Chinese Navy cannot intervene, and if it does, then it is an act of aggression by the Chinese and not SL.

The Chinese should be ready for the consequence and that will be something since they will be far from areas where they can scoot to!
To be honest, If the Chinese spy vessels do operate this close to Indian mainland, the preferable route for the GOI would be an 'unfortunate accident ' such as a disappearance rather than blowing it out of proportion with a ramming operation.

It is very much known that certain assets are heavily trained in ship boarding and well, certain other friendly tasks. Wouldn't you say this would be a better methodology?
 

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Indeed, vessels can disappear.

Something like a Yono class submarine, which is thought to have fired the torpedo attack which sank a South Korean Pohang-class corvette, the ROKS Cheonan on March 26, 2010 in South Korean waters?
 

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Can someone please explain the legitimacy of ramming or "disappearing" ships inside another nation's EEZ?
 

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Can someone please explain the legitimacy of ramming or "disappearing" ships inside another nation's EEZ?
One wouldn't know.

Best to ask the North Koreans and that should be no problems for Chinese, since Chinese are ever so friendly with them and are their Big Brother.

In fact, internationally, it is as illegal as employment of spy trawler disguised as fishing boats!
 

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One wouldn't know.

Best to ask the North Koreans and that should be no problems for Chinese, since Chinese are ever so friendly with them and are their Big Brother.

In fact, internationally, it is as illegal as employment of spy trawler disguised as fishing boats!
So India should emulate North Korea's foreign policy towards its immediate neighbors?
 

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t-co,

Why bother to learn from North Korea?

China should be given a dose of their own medicine!

 
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What do you feel should be done?
Indians should just peacefully watch Chinese trawlers fishing in SL EEZ from afar.

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Indians should just peacefully watch Chinese trawlers fishing in SL EEZ from afar.

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As peacefully as what the Chinese 'fishing boat' did to the Japanese Coast Guard? ;)

 
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Can someone please explain the legitimacy of ramming or "disappearing" ships inside another nation's EEZ?
Its not about legitimacy, not that anyone cares about legitimacy when it comes to matters of national security.

And in any case, EEZ is essentially international territory, with only economic soverignty of the area under the nation. If push comes to shove, any threatened nation with sufficient capabilities will not hesitate to conduct such operations inside the 12NM boundary.

you can look up previous USN actions and Soviet actions for precedence.
 

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As peacefully as what the Chinese 'fishing boat' did to the Japanese Coast Guard? ;)

Except the boat in that video is in disputed waters? As in, both China and Japan claim it to be their EEZ.

You're talking about ramming and/or sinking boats in the undisputed Sri Lankan EEZ.

If India wants a legal rationale to push those ships further out from India's coast, then they should formally claim that chunk of the EEZ (and permanently push Sri Lanka into China's camp). If they don't have the balls to do so, they should quit bitching.
 
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Its not about legitimacy, not that anyone cares about legitimacy when it comes to matters of national security.

And in any case, EEZ is essentially international territory, with only economic soverignty of the area under the nation. If push comes to shove, any threatened nation with sufficient capabilities will not hesitate to conduct such operations inside the 12NM boundary.

you can look up previous USN actions and Soviet actions for precedence.
Except these ships are operating way outside India's 12NM boundary - they're operating inside Sri Lanka's EEZ. Does India want to formally claim jurisdiction over SL's EEZ? If so, go ahead, but don't blame China for screwing up Indo-SL relations.
 

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Except the boat in that video is in disputed waters? As in, both China and Japan claim it to be their EEZ.

You're talking about ramming and/or sinking boats in the undisputed Sri Lankan EEZ.

If India wants a legal rationale to push those ships further out from India's coast, then they should formally claim that chunk of the EEZ (and permanently push Sri Lanka into China's camp). If they don't have the balls to do so, they should quit bitching.
Disputed?

There is no dispute.

China feels everything in the SCS and beyond is China's.

The dispute is China created!

The waters is common fishing grounds and not owned by SL.

Balls?

What is balls?

Are you meaning that SL should be so impressed that it is becomes Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey for them?
 
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