Chinese vessel rams into Filipino fishing boat: 1 dead

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    Chinese vessel rams into Filipino fishing boat

    MANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) – A Filipino died while four of his colleagues remain missing after a Chinese vessel allegedly rammed into their boat in Bolinao, Pangasinan last June 20, the National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council said.

    The boat’s owner received an alert from its operator that a Chinese vessel bumped into their boat, which was then anchored to a “payaw,” or fish sanctuary.

    One, only identified as "Christopher" was rescued but eventually died at an Ilocos Sur hospital. Three of his colleagues are still at the Gabriela Silang General Hospital.

    Still reported missing are: Fred Celino, Arnold Garcia, Domy delos Santos and Amante Resonable.

    NDRRMC said rescue operations are now underway to find the missing fishermen.


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    MANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) – A Filipino died while four of his colleagues remain missing after a Chinese vessel allegedly rammed into their boat in Bolinao, Pangasinan last June 20, the National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council said.

    The boat’s owner received an alert from its operator that a Chinese vessel bumped into their boat, which was then anchored to a “payaw,” or fish sanctuary.

    One, only identified as "Christopher" was rescued but eventually died at an Ilocos Sur hospital. Three of his colleagues are still at the Gabriela Silang General Hospital.

    Still reported missing are: Fred Celino, Arnold Garcia, Domy delos Santos and Amante Resonable.

    NDRRMC said rescue operations are now underway to find the missing fishermen.


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    Adding fuel to fire. Good going China!
     
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    the fact is, the Chinese ship sunk and 16 Chinese fishmen all dead.
     
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    ANILA, Philippines - Chinese troops should go after Philippine ships and fishermen who go near the disputed Scarborough shoal, a Chinese navy official said.

    Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, director of the People's Liberation Army Navy’s (PLAN) Information Expert Committee, said this should be done to “Filipino vessels that hang around in the lagoon and don’t leave," according to state-owned news agency China News Service (CNS).

    Chinese Navy admiral targets Philippine ships | ABS-CBN News

    I don't think it's an accident...it's deliberate Chinese aggression.

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    Philippines ships must be fishing illegally in Chinese waters and that irks Chinese fishmen.

    RIP to the dead one, and hope the others learn a lesson, never invade Chinese waters.
     
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    I hope it’s an accident. Nevertheless the death and missing families should get compensation.
     
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    China has never “occupied” Scarborough shoal. While we have exercised sovereignty and jurisdiction since our independence. We have a lighthouse there since 1957. Control of the area which is effected by frequent patrols as allowed by our small fleet of boats and policing of these waters for decades without protest from any other country claimants, including arrests of both chinese and vietnamese fishermen illegally fishing in Philippine jurisdiction or using illegal fishing methods in our waters. In the 1700's philippine map(Carta Hydrographical y Chorographical De Las Yslas Filipinas by Fr. Pedro Murilo Velarde, S.J. and published in 1734)clearly state that scarborough shoal was already part of zambales province, under effective control of the spanish in the Philippines back then.

    All you(Chinese) did was criticize Philippine evidences about the treaty of Paris, about republic act 3046, about Unclos. China is fabricating their claims. Notice that instead of proving their claims, they try to discredit the claims and evidence of other countries like the Philippines and Vietnam which holds a lot of history in the areas involved. However, these evidence are real and factual and cannot be rebuked, unlike that of China's where their claims are unclear, the evidence either fabricated or missing.

    The Chinese claim to have 'been there first' is like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before its aboriginal inhabitants.
    China's historical evidence is NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. And everything is just based on what their government claiming. No pictures available on the net or newspapers. The Chinese government is just fabricating LIES about their history.

    Just because China decided to one day include the entire SCS as part of their maps they become the owner of waters long controlled by other South East Asian countries like Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei??? Answer: NO!!!

    Using only "might is right" against the complete idea of "might is right and right is might" is called barbarism in the modern civilized world. Pretty much what China is doin right now.

    For sure, China has the power to impose its will. But its aggressive stance towards the Philippines, so often seen as an especially weak state, has alerted others, including Japan, Russia and India as well as the US, to its long-term goal which is not ownership of a few rocks but strategic control of the whole sea, a vital waterway between northeast Asia and the Indian Ocean, the Gulf and Europe. The Scarborough Shoal is not just a petty dispute over some rocks. It is a wake-up call for many countries.


    The Philippines has indisputable sovereignty and jurisdiction over Scarborough shoal and China is welcome to try to rebuke it in the courts any time. The philippines has already invited china a number of times to resolve the dispute through arbitration by the international court, which china turned down repeatedly because they know themselves theyll lose. It is therefore without doubt, that the Philippines is the rightful owner of scarborough shoal and that its sovereignty is indisputable


    RUSSIA -
    March 13, 2012: Russia Pronounce its support to the Philippines over Spratly disputes with china and other claimants. Philippines
    - Russia is supporting the Philippines' stand that RULES based on
    transparency and diplomacy should be used to resolve maritime issues.

    ASEAN
    Leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) have agreed that the regional Code of Conduct in the South China Sea should integrate provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos), a treaty that the Philippines cites in its claim to disputed Scarborough Shoal and other islands.

    EUROPEAN UNION
    EU-Asia Center director Fraser
    Cameron said during a forum in Manila that the EU supports a rules-based
    international system and liberty of navigation. The EU believes that territorial disputes should be resolved “in
    accordance with international law through peaceful and cooperative
    solutions.”

    NEW ZEALAND
    New Zealand backs Philippine position on Spratlys

    New Zealand supports the position of the Philippines and other allies
    that claimants to the Spratly chain of islands must heed the United
    Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), the Department of
    National Defense said Friday.

    MALAYSIA
    Malaysia backs Philippines in dispute vs China

    Malaysia is supporting the Philippines'
    stand that Manila's dispute with China over ownership of Scarborough
    shoal should be resolved based on the United Nations Convention on Law
    of the Sea (UNCLOS), Vice President Jejomar Binay said Tuesday.

    VIETNAM BACKS THE PHILIPPINES
    1) Support for the “sovereign rights” of the Philippines in the Scarborough Shoal.
    2) Opposition to China’s use of the “nine-dashed line” to make
    overlapping claims with the Exclusive Economic Zones and continental
    shelves of the Philippines, Vietnam and other ASEAN countries, as well
    as opposition to “China’s actions and threats of force,” the latter
    presumably referring to articles in China’s state controlled press.
    3) Support for the Philippines’ proposal to submit the dispute at
    Scarborough Shoal to the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea
    (ITLOS).

    JAPAN
    President Benigno Aquino III on Tuesday night secured Japanese Prime
    Minister Yoshihiko Noda’s support for a peaceful resolution of the
    six-nation dispute over the potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.
    Following the meeting, the President and Noda “confirmed that freedom of
    navigation, unimpeded commerce, and compliance with established
    international law including the UNCLOS and the peaceful settlement of
    disputes serve the interests of the two countries and the whole region.”
    UNCLOS refers to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

    AUSTRALIA
    Australia said those involved in the territorial dispute — Brunei,
    China, Malaysia, Philippines, and Taiwan — should adhere to the United
    Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which codifies the
    international law of the sea.

    Australia’s expression of support came less than a week after Washington expressed its support to Manila over the same issue.

    USA
    International Law Should be Used.
    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Thursday pledged to
    support the Philippines amid growing tensions between China and its
    neighbors in disputed areas of the South China Sea (or West Philippine
    Sea).

    No country supports China's 9 dash line


    Maps Showing Scarborough Shoal and Spratly Islands part of the Philippines.

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    I’m sympathy with the point of view of our Pilipino member. If we’re a signed member of UN ocean treaty, we should refer to the treaty to arbitrate the dispute. But such practice is not always followed by many signed member countries. For example, fishing island is occupied by Japanese by using historical claim instead of UN treaty. The dispute between Greece and Turkey in Aegean Sea; the dispute between UK and Argentina on Falklands Island…

    I wish we are all living in a perfect world.
     
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    screw your sympathy its not true anyway and its filipino we are called filipinos dimwits you people are monsters for going this you pay for this arrogant monsters
     
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    Zero-Wing: regardless of what you just said, I hope it's not Zero-win for Philippine and China on this disputed issue.
     
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    My dear Philippines members, no need to question Chinese sovereignty over Huangyan Island. You never cared about whom the island belongs to, like Amoy has pointed out before, you people are just a bunch of opportunists.

    One article published by a Philippines media has stated why China owns Huangyan Island, and it has been discussed here. I really don't want to waste my time lecturing you on that issue, again because you don't really care.

    When Philippines send that warship to arrest Chinese fishmen in Chinese waters, the mistake has been done. You simply offered China an chance to reinforce the control over Huangyan Island. From now on, China will not give you any chance to put your dirty fingers on Chinese waters.

    You can cry, you can condemn, making as much noise as you want.

    My reponse to you is, "screw you, you big losers".


    And my little tip to you, do not take another adventure and give China another chance. As far as I know, Philippines is holding more than one Chinese islands, and one of them is very big, named after a Chinese warship ZhongYe. You make one more blunders, you may lose it forever. You may play with the US card, Japan card, or even India card and China may not win, but China always has the ability to make Philippines lose.
     
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    QUOTE=nimo_cn;521115]
    One article published by a Philippines media has stated why China owns Huangyan Island, and it has been discussed here. I really don't want to waste my time lecturing you on that issue, again because you don't really care.

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    I believe the writer of that article is a Chinese posing as a Filipino.


    China’s propaganda war

    The most popular Filipino in China today is “a retired investment and merchant banker, a retired Certified Public Accountant, and a retired economist who loves to dabble in history and political science, among many other interests”. His name is “Victor N. Arches II” and he is the reported author of an op-ed article that appeared in the Manila Standard Today on April 28, 2012. The article, “It belongs to China”, has been reproduced in its entirety in hundreds, if not thousands, of print publications and online news sites all over China.

    “Even Filipino admits Huangyan Island belongs to China!” is typical of the introduction to the article in English or in Chinese Pinyin character.

    Just who exactly is this “Victor N. Arches II”? Ever since it appeared in the Manila Standard Today, I have been scouring the Internet to find out who he is anything but I found nothing. I could not even find a single Filipino with that surname. The closest I got was a “Victor Arch” from Indonesia who graduated from a university in Jakarta in 1994 but his postings in Facebook are in Bahasa Indonesia.

    He could be a real person but if he had written an article in the past, it would surely have surfaced in the Internet. If he graduated from any college or university in the Philippines or if he ever worked as a CPA in the Philippines, his name would invariably have appeared somewhere in the Internet and a search engine would have surely tracked it.
    It is also suspicious that he would use “II” instead of “Jr.” which is what most Filipinos are accustomed to.
    My suspicion about the true identity of the author was also aroused by the style and substance of the article which was uncannily similar to the way Chinese articles have dealt with the subject.

    Consider his opening paragraph: “The Scarborough Shoal does belong to China which discovered it and drew it in a map as early as 1279 during the Yuan Dynasty. Chinese fishermen, from both the Mainland and Taiwan, have since used it. As a matter of fact, Guo Shoujing, (the Chinese astronomer, engineer and mathematician who worked under the Mongol ruler, Kublai Khan) performed surveying of the South China Sea, and the surveying point was the Scarborough Shoal which is considered part of the Zhongsha Islands (renamed Huangyan Island in 1983). By contrast, the “old maps” being relied upon by our Department of Foreign Affairs in its spurious claim on the same territory were drawn up only in 1820, or 541 years after China’s.”

    An article which recently appeared in the official China government publication, Xinhua News, entitled “Solid evidence supports China’s sovereignty claim over Huangyan Island” starts with similar information and was written in the same prose style: “In the 13th century, Emperor Kublai Khan of China’s Yuan Dynasty assigned an astronomer named Guo Shoujing to conduct a territory survey to unify the calendar nationwide, said Li Guoqiang, deputy director of the Research Center for Chinese Borderland History and Geography of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a government think tank.”

    Ironically enough, China’s claim to ownership of the Scarborough Shoal — based on historical maps — was debunked by the Philippines top Maoist, Jose Maria Sison, founder of the Communist Party of the Philippines, who described the claim as an “absurdity”. “This would be like Italy claiming all areas previously occupied by the Roman Empire,” Sison said.
    It would be like Macedonia laying claim to the Persian Empire (Iran) based on a map drawn by Alexander the Great in 338 B.C. It would be like China laying claim to America based on an old map drawn by Admiral Zheng He, for Emperor Zhu Di, in 1421as described in the New York Times bestseller by Gavin Menzies entitled “1421: The Year China Discovered America”.
    China can plant “It belongs to China” articles in Philippine publications but the Philippines cannot hope to have even one article published anywhere in China that questions China’s claim to the Scarborough Shoal or to the Spratlys. That is the decided advantage of a totalitarian dictatorship – which does not allow freedom of the press - over a democracy.

    Writers from China can regularly post their comments in articles critical of China that appear in online Philippie publications such as this comment about my article which appeared last week (“Stand up to China or kneel and beg for mercy”): “we don’t need Filipino care workers’ product too, we don’t know why Ph export to china more than china export to Ph and Ph earn much money from china do not use to Improve the people’s livelihood instead of oppose with china, how stupid Ph pigs, you can choose kneel and beg for mercy to USA, and you do, you are always the dog of USA, we don’t wanna feed you again.”

    While the 1.3 billion people of China are unified behind their government’s claim to the Scarborough Shoal, the same cannot be said for the 100 million people of the Philippines at home and abroad.

    In an interview with ABS-CBN Balitang America on May 8, San Francisco-based Racquel Redondiez, former Secretary-General of Bayan USA and current Gabriela USA Chair, said that her group would boycott the May 11 global protest against China because the dispute with China is just “a conflict between siblings or friends”.

    “The China threat is being used by the U.S. to actually further trample on the Philippines’ national sovereignty,” Redondiez charged.
    But Redondiez is mild compared to Washington DC-based Adolfo Paglinawan who has been apoplectic in his vitriolic denunciations of Filipinos critical of China’s intrusion in the Scarborough Shoal. In his email comments posted in various elists, Paglinawan has blamed the US Pinoys for Good Governance (USP4GG) for provoking China into imposing economic sanctions against the Philippines.
    He has demanded that President Benigno S. Aquino (whom he derisively calls “Penoy”) purge his cabinet of officials who have been critical of China starting with Commission on Filipinos Overseas (CFO) Chair Imelda Nicolas because she is the sister of USP4GG national chair, Loida Nicolas-Lewis.

    Paglinawan told ABS-CBN Washington DC correspondent Rodney Jaleco in a TV interview on May 11: “I would not be surprised if China files a diplomatic protest for the obvious conspiracy between the government and its fronts in foreign lands.” If China heeds Paglinawan’s advice, he would be China’s main witness against the Philippines.
    Paglinawan’s cohort in Canada, Romy Marquez, described in his YouTube postings the May 11 protest of Filipino-Canadians in front of the China Consulate in Toronto as “less than two dozen marching in a circle” in a “lacklustre rally”. Marquez claimed that because of the low participation, the protest rally “failed to live up to its billing as a global protest”.
    Marquez failed to understand that it was a “global protest” because there were simultaneous protest rallies against China on May 11 by Filipinos in cities all over the world, from Makati and Angeles City to Guam, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Chicago, New York, Washington DC, Paris, Switzerland, Ireland, South Africa, South Korea, Hong Kong and other world cities.
    While the formidable challenge of China can be daunting and intimidating, I take comfort from an email message from a Philippine Science High School classmate, Vince Ragay, who expressed appreciation of our global efforts “applying an approach taken from Sun Tzu himself: gathering sympathy and support from neighbors and allies to pre-empt an enemy attack”.
    “Yes, it can come to a bloody turn as it has done so in the past,” Vince wrote. “But I believe that God in Heaven protects our shores and our people. Just as David claimed victory even before he struck Goliath, we, as believers, can also claim the same victory we will have if we remain faithful and steadfast. It is not a mere test of our political, legal or military capabilities but also of our inner stability as children of God. Will God forsake His children when the infidels surround them? History has many lessons we still haven’t truly learned and applied.”

    “We have friends and sympathizers within China, for certain. Prayers and protests may seem like incongruous twins in this issue; but I dare say that whatever the Lord has put in your heart to do on this matter, please do it with all of your might.”

    Thank you, Vince.
    Mabuhay ang Pilipinas.

    China’s propaganda war | Inquirer Global Nation
     
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    Chinese fishing boats were good in ramming other country's boat.


    Chinese fishing boat rams the Japan Coast Guard's ship

    Chinese fishing boat rams the Japan Coast Guard's ship - YouTube


    Chinese Fishing Boat 'Intentionally' Rams South Korean Coast Guard, At Least 1 Dead

    Chinese Fishing Boat 'Intentionally' Rams South Korean Coast Guard, At Least 1 Dead - Business Insider



    According to newspaper report the ramming incident happened when the Philippine fishing boat war anchored near a "payao" a fish aggregating device. Therefore the location of the incident is very near the coast of Pangasinan, since a fishing boat or a ship cannot anchor if the depth of the sea is more than 100 meters.

    The big question is how come the Chinese fishing boat is operating in our 12 miles territorial limit or in our 200 nautical miles Exclusive Economic Zone. There is also some reports from Philippine fishing boat in Palawan that Chinese fishing boat or patrol boat is operating in Palawan coast.
     
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    And China is hegemonic and neo imperialists!
     
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    Well i said that because you people are monsters the next nazi andd this just the start of imperial march soon you be claim Luzon and the whole Philippines and why should feel down ? nice play on my code name sir i give you that but since people are cowards who can't follow International law you never win anything you end up losing everything in the end again screw your sympathy to hell like your illegally copy fake poisonous products it belongs to the trash can your claims with it.
     
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    Ya sure and you and your country is full of crap grass is that what your so called news has been telling you obvious lie your so called news is a joke an insult to journalism but you people would not know that because you simply have no free mind to speak of ya who said the Philippines was Chinese territory again not us but your stupid mouth pic aka the Chinese media again full of crap
     
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    Zero wing,

    Do not despair.

    The Japanese Zero aircraft played havoc all over during WWII to include China!

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    Chinese territorial waters- Everything that is in South China sea, am I missing something here? Can some one post the maps regarding how stupid the chinese claims are and what exactly is going on?
     
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    Am not Japanese but i too like the zero fighter it was the first Air superiority fighter but it was tinfoil not armored but fast best fighter ever

    Anyway as long as the Chinese is a threat we will be here Mabuhay ng Pilipinas
     

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