Chinese troops enter Indian territory again; stop work

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  1. SHASH2K2

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    After remaining peaceful for most of the year, Chinese troops entered Indian territory in the fag end of 2010 along the Line of Actual Control in South-eastern Ladakh region and threatened a contractor and his team to halt work on constructing a "passenger shed".

    The Chinese troops, which included motor-cycle borne personnel of People's Liberation Army (PLA), entered Gombir area in Demchok region in Jammu and Kashmir and threatened the civilian workers who were building the shed, the plan for which was cleared by the state rural development department, according to details accessed by PTI.

    The incident took place in September-October last year in a village about 300-kms south-east of Leh district headquarters.

    An official report, which was prepared after a meeting of officials from civilian administration, army, central security agencies and Indo-Tibetan Border Police, stated that a passenger shed was approved at an estimated cost of Rs two lakh to be built at 'T' point in village Gombir under the Border Area Development Project of Ministry of Home Affairs.

    The Chinese army -- PLA -- came to the 'T' point and asked the contractor to stop the work, the report said. An official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the arrival of Chinese troops, some of whom were ironically on motorcycle, triggered panic among the workers who rushed to the nearby Army post for help.

    The Chinese troops also shouted some slogans which could not be translated by the officials, the official said.

    The Army was quick in responding and asked the state government to maintain status quo, the report said and added that the 3 Infantry Division asked the state Government to take the permission of Ministry of Defence before carrying out any construction activities at least 50 kilometres of the Line of Actual Control.

    When contacted, Lt Col J S Brar, who officiates as spokesperson for Leh-based 14 Corps, refused to comment on the issue.

    According to the report, the civil administration proceeded on field verification to the area on October two, 2010 and on the next day, Army wrote to the administration to seek Defence Ministry's clearance for any project within 50 kms of Border.

    The Civil administration said it was baffled by the Army's missive as this would mean entire Nyoma sub-division would get affected in the matter of developmental work.

    The state Government had planned construction of seven link-roads in Nyoma and Damchok areas to increase connectivity and provide job opportunity to the people of this remote and treacherous mountain region, which is close to the Line of Actual Control.

    The Chinese troops, which had carried out incursions into Indian territory in June and July 2009, had also carried out such an exercise in November 2009 also when its troops threatened Indian workers to stop road construction in Ladakh.

    The road construction was taking place in the Demchok sector which was stopped after the Defence Ministry had raised objections with the then Deputy Commissioner (Leh) A K Sahu and asked them to stop the work.

    The work on a link-road in Demchok in South-eastern Ladakh region was stopped last month after objections were raised by the Chinese Army. Work on the road, which was to connect two villages - the last inhabited areas on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) on Sino-Indian border in Demchok - was stopped during the last week of October 2009.

    The road was being built under the Centrally-sponsored National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme (NREGS).

    In 2009, the Chinese Army haD violated the International Border in Ladakh region and painted boulders and rocks in the area red.

    The Chinese troops had entered nearly 1.5 kilometres into the Indian territory on July 31 near Mount Gya, recognised as International border by India and China, and painted the boulders and rocks with "China" and "Chin9" in red spray paint.

    The 22,420 ft Mount Gya, also known as "fair princess of snow" by Army, is located at the tri-junction of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir, Spiti in Himachal Pradesh, and Tibet. Its boundary was marked during the British era and regarded as International border by the two countries.

    Before this, Chinese helicopters had violated the Indian air space on June 21 along the Line of Actual Control in Chumar region and also helli-dropped some expired food.

    Ironically, Chinese army has done construction activities along the international border across Karakoram ranges in Ladakh sector for the first time in 2009 after the 1962 stand-off between the two countries and a report of Jammu and Kashmir government had claimed that Chinese have been taking "land in inches and not in yards".

    "They (Chinese) have threatened the nomadic people who had been using Dokbug area (in Ladakh sector) area for grazing since decades long, in a way to snatch our land in inches. A Chinese proverb is famous in the world 'better do in inches than in yards," the report filed by a former Sub Divisional Magistrate (Nyoma) Tsering Norboo had said.

    Norboo had been deputed by the state government to probe incursion of Chinese Army in Dokbug area and threatening the local shepherds to leave the land as it belonged to them.

    The area has been used by the shepherds to graze their livestock as the area is warmer compared to other parts of Ladakh.

    India and China have been engaged in talks over the Line of Actual Control and had exchanged maps in 2002.

    In the western sector (East Jammu and Kashmir), the Samar Lungpa area, between the Karakoram Pass and the Chipchap river, is contentious, with Chinese maps showing the LAC to be south of the Samar Lungpa.

    This is the northernmost part of the border, far to the north of Leh. But while the Indo-Tibetan Border Police operates north of the line the Chinese claim to be the border, they remain south of the Lungpa. South of the Chipchap River are the Trig Heights, comprising Points 5495 and 5459.

    Chinese troops frequently enter the area and in fact, they have a name for Point 5459; Manshen Hill. The area, south-east of Trig Heights, called Depsang Ridge is also contentious.

    Differences were found when Chinese small-scale maps were interposed on large-scaled Indian ones.

    - With PTI inputs
     
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    This keeps going on throughout the year, with most incidents going unreported. God knows when this problem will end ! I think the only measure we can take is to increase either ITPB or Army presence, especially armed patrols, in areas that have seen frequent violations by the PLA.
     
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    Government can easily provide security to workers. That part is Indian territory and Chinese soldiers should first be warned and then they should be shot. Its not a regular intrusion that may happen due to confusion. They are blocking construction in Indian territory.
     
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    They want a War, sooner or later they will have one, we should be prepared for it, just wait till we have sufficient nirbhay in inventory, then we can take punga with them.
     
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    It's sad that mardangi, josh, jasba of Indian army is against pak army only when it comes to chinese hawa nikal jati ha hamari army ki...
     
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    100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% corrrect i agreee with you.
     
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    As per my opinion this incidence happened due to lack of foresightedness on our part. It was well known that chinese will objest again the way they did last year. Still they went ahead with the project. Why adequate security forces were not provided . presence of our security forces would have deterred chinese to come into our territory and threatened Indians on our soil .
     
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    Pathetic! Even earlier, in 2009, work under the National Rural Employment Guarantee Project on the Demchok road was stopped when Chinese troops entered into Indian territory. The way to do this is just to fire at the Chinese troops. When a few drop dead, they'll know not to come into this territory. They don't have the force or troop strength in the area to challenge us. A fact that will rapidly change, if the disparity in border infrastructure grows any wider.

    We will have to realize that the only way to prepare for a future war and to secure ourselves is by accessing critical border infrastructure and building strategic communications. As we continue to bring larger areas of the border under operational control, we can expect spikes in border violence and incursions. That is the only way forward. Lest it become too little too late.
     
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    There's a reason why soldiers and border police carry guns...

    Implement a shoot-on-sight policy for anyone crossing the LAC.

    Problem solved.
     
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    Intimidation and Humiliation only happens when the aggressor knows that victim is afraid to retaliate.

    India with its non-aligned passive posture over the last 50 years has allowed this to happen thru its own stupidity.
    It wasnt until the BJP and Vajpayee came into power that things started to change.

    The reason the Indian Army does not want to get involved is because the MOD and the Indian leadership is truly frightened that any outbreak of violence at the border will give China the excuse to create a short border conflict. India knows it cant win a border conflict with China, and so China uses this to humiliate India on the borders, stapled visas, etc, etc.

    From the Indian standpoint - the only way to address this scenario is to avoid at any cost any face-to-face confrontation between the PLA and the IA.

    From China's standpoint - the only reason to avoid a border conflict with India is international public opinion and fear of China's among its neighbours that could change the whole Asean regional security picture including the relationship with the US . This coupled with the fact that their economy is very dependent on exports makes them think twice.

    I seriously doubt India will ever close the gap with China - Given that it takes decades to acquire weapon systems even when the funds are allocated, and the pervasive culture of corruption. The only way India catches up is if the Chinese somehow falter and the economy stagnates.

    I hope I am wrong.
     
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    partial , selective quotes from the member's post.

    i think youre right - but there is still a silver lining to it
    that it is in india's ability to make the corrections !
    they have to deal with all aspects of what you ( and i ) might call the "culture of corruption" and fortunately there are some signs of this happening.

    if they do continue even at this pace or even a bit faster - prc dragon might get to taste a bit of it's own medicine before too long.
     
  13. badguy2000

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    it is a disputy area....if Chinese arm force were to stop petrol, then it itself would imply acceptance that the disputy area belong to India....
     
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    Fact is Indians are ready for Chinese to take over if i were PLA top brass i would send in my troops, if India was a responsible state with politicians that have balls they should have confronted them.
    Let's change the situation if Indian troops were violating Chinese border wouldn't PLA troops shoot them?
     
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    PLA would not shoot. it will be CHinese arm police that will capture them and drive them back as illegal border-crossers..
     
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    Good joke if you have armed troops violating your border you think it is possible to capture them without shooting?
     
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    well, they would be well-equipped illegal border-crossers! but well-equipped illegal border-crosser are still illegal border-crossers!
     
  18. Ray

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    Is there not the Chinese map that shows area upto Panipat as Chinese?
     
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    there's a difference between crossing border as a stranded civilian and an armed force of a foreign country this is called invasion got it!
     
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    He is a CCP goon, yaar. Do not expect him to know what "invasion" means.

    To him "invasion" is when any non-Chinese civilian/soldier enters Chinese territory and whenever PLA invades another country it is called "goodwill gesture".
     
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    The Chinese having been made to eat crow in their spat with Japan, are trying to carry out cautious needle pricks to tell all that they still exist!
     

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