Chinese surprise: India now at par with P5

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  1. RPK

    RPK Indyakudimahan Senior Member

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    Chinese surprise: India now at par with P5

    New Delhi: In a very significant strategic as well as diplomatic development, China on Monday upgraded its Ambassador to India Zhang Yan to the rank of vice-minister in the Chinese government.

    Clearly, China upgrading its mission in India to the level it maintains in P5 countries on a day when US President Barack Obama is on a high-profile visit to New Delhi appears to be more than a mere coincidence.

    The P5 or the powerful 5 is the exclusive club of world’s most powerful countries – USA, United Kingdom, China, France and Russia - who are also permanent members of United Nations Security Council.

    As vice-minister the Ambassador will be reporting to the Chinese government on India’s reaction to all major issues, including currency movement.

    The upgrade, confirmed by a spokesman of the Chinese embassy, suggests that India has moved up in China’s global pecking order and also points to the keenness of the Dragon to deepen its engagement with its neighbour - at a time when the region’s geo-politics is undergoing rapid changes.

    Chinese surprise: India now at with P5
     
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  3. SHASH2K2

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    I am sure its a sign of things to come . America tried its level best to bring India into its alliance against China but till now we have not accepted it officially. If I am interpreting it correctly China will have to recognize growing Indian clout in Asia as well as entire world. We should have better ties with China and hopefully we will have a good relationship .
     
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    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

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    yuck too much symbolism the above vice-minister promotion has been in the cards for a long time nothing intresting here
     
  5. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Another move to massage India's ego to scuttle the US plan to 'encircle' China.

    India should play by the ear and it will all depend on the US canvas on the Strategic Partnership that the US unfolds.

    Ground realities and practical, discernible and cognisant inputs are more important that cosmetic placebos.


    China should not be underestimated. She is aware of the Indian weakness of gulping down with glee, sops thrown its way to inflate and massage their egos!

    It is also an attempt by China to make the US commit itself and unfold its Strategic Partnership canvas, so that China can fathom the paradigm, take necessary corrective actions to nullify the effect, rather than be pre-emptive and commit itself to a path which may not appear conducive and profitable in the long run.

    The US move has put China in a bind since the SE Asian nations are not too pleased or comfortable with the Chinese aggressive laying of territorial claims, which the US is now exploiting to the hilt!
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    It's more than 'massage of Indian ego' or symbolism. It's China's (or most states') procedure or hierarchy to post senior level official in 'key' countries, or a channel for diplomats to get further promoted. For example current Foreign Minister Yang, and ex FM Li were both once ambassadors to the US.

    Another example - Most recently N.Korea suddenly replaced her ambassador to China who had only been in office for months, with a much higher ranking one, becoz China_NK resumed their 'strategic bond' and the senior official is closer to the top leadership.
     
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    RPK Indyakudimahan Senior Member

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    This is all but a showpiece unless China tones down:

    1) Its anti-India stand in Kashmir;
    2) Stops meddling in Arunachal and claiming it;
    3) Reins in PLA and stops border incursions;

    If these 3 are not done, then all this is utter nonsense, media hype to give cheap publicity to the "work" of ruling party, and a clear attempt to glamourize needlessly.
     
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    How about telling their ambassador to start pasting the visas instead of stapling it..if we are talking about meaningful gestures that is.
     
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    Rage DFI TEAM Stars and Ambassadors

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    Absoloutely. I think Brig. Ray has hit it right on the head.

    Our media is so gullible that it gulps down all of this symbolic shit with glee. I can only hope the guys at South block think with a little more ratiocination than the media.

    If China wants to recognize India as a 'rising partner', it must get out of our territories, sit to resolve the border conflict seriously, withdraw its country-specific assets and aid from that scumhole, Pakistan; and stop supplying weapons and money to Maoists in Nepal and the Northeast. Those are the minimum considerations for this to be a level playing-field, a playing field of parity. For right now, it is not. China has a lil' skank it can use in the form of Pakistan to niggle India, whenever necessary. Believe me, if we started interfering in earnest in China's northwest, Xinjiang via Afghanistan, it would not take long for that region to become like the $hithole Pakistan is today. After that, we can talk about Indian Ocean Region shipping lanes, joint projects in Africa, environmental change, river-sharing; and most importantly, Tibet.
     
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    Hu jinato is visiting next month. So he must have something to blabber about in his visit.
     
  12. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Let Hu Jintao come and then we will know how the Chinese Checkers board is loaded!

    Off topic.

    In the satirical prgramme, The Week it Wasn't, compared by Cyrus Bharaucha, the other chap (the Foodie man), dressed up as a lady who accompanied the President of India said the Hu Jintao was coming to India because he has business interests in the IPL.

    One of the teams in the IPL is owned by his niece - Priety Zintao!
     
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    Possibly a god explanation of how the Mandarins are at work.

    However, it is too much of a coincidence to believe that China has suddenly woken up from a blissful slumber to 'bestow' on India this 'great privilege' of having the Ambassador to the rank of a Vice Minister and that India is a 'key' country, just when President Obama of the US steps on India soil!

    One wonders what Oujha box revealed to China that India has suddenly, through a magic wand, emerged just at that moment and never before, even in the not too distant past, say, last month, to become a 'key' nation for Chinese Mandarins.

    Indians sure love to be flattered, but then they are also quite pragmatic to filter through the silver filigreed cobwebs of ego massage.

    If China had not spooked the Asian countries with its aggressive territorial quests, as it had done to India and Vietnam earlier, then even if a peon came as the Ambassador, it would still do most magnificently.

    Even the US, which has bent backward to accommodate China has realised China's real game plan and is surely worried, so mcu so, Obama is on a whirlwind tour of Asian nations that are vulnerable to China's 'glad eye'!

    If indeed the current Foreign Minister Yang, and ex FM Li were both once ambassadors to the US, how does it in any way affect the US? It is China's internal matter and political see sawing!
     
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    Guess not his niece but his son (he doesn't own it but is CEO alike)

    that aside, it may be a 'coincidence', but not a 'privilege' for India. India earns or deserves more as a rising power.

    All those folks are simply doing their jobs for their countries, like Obama is busy promoting American export to India in a mellowed tone at a time of recession (The business of America is BUSINESS)
     
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    China is perhaps gathering herself up to accommodate the inevitable,which conceivably is not a bad thing to do as long as there is a measure of earnestness to it.
     
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    I would say, still Chinese have acted smarter than their military ally Pakistan, whoes president kept ranting for 2 days asking India to start bilateral dialogue out of three days of obama's visit (When usauly he is busy making money and screwing people around). Pakistan can learn heaps from China, oh may be both are running hot and cold trail upon India and trying luck, whom so ever wins shares goes to both!
     
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    China says understands India's Security Council desire

    BEIJING: China said on Tuesday it understood India's desire to gain a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council , where China is the only Asian member.

    US President Barack Obama, during a visit to India this week, endorsed New Delhi's demand for a permanent seat as part of a "reformed Security Council".

    "China supports appropriate and necessary reforms to the U.N. Security Council," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei told a regular news briefing.

    "China understands India's desire to enter the Security Council. China is willing to keep in contact with other countries, including India, and participate in negotiations on the entrance of more developing countries," Hong added.

    Changing the makeup of the Security Council, however, could be a long and difficult process which may face resistance from other permanent members.

    China and India have touchy relations on a number of fronts, including disputed borders in the Himalayan mountains. China has recently stepped up its claims to Arunachal Pradesh.

    The US, Britain, France, Russia and China have held permanent seats on the Security Council since 1971, when the People's Republic of China took over the seat held by Taiwan.

    In 2005, widespread anti-Japanese demonstrations in Chinese cities accompanied Japan's bid for a permanent seat on the Security Council.

    Other states with a potential interest in a Security Council seat include Germany and Brazil. An expanded Security Council could also potentially include an African state, such as South Africa, Egypt or Nigeria.

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...curity-Council-desire/articleshow/6894257.cms
     
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    Looks like they are going to play policy of divide and rule . They will support Indian candidature while block Japans and this will create difference among contenders .We have already heard noised coming from Germany and Japan. Looks like Chinese are playing smart.
     
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    BS. Quite wrong interpretation. I don't think China ever hesitated to take India seriously after '70. Having said that, one should not start skiting over a bureaucratic decision.
     
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    Hu's visiting next month???! I thought December will be Medvedev Month. :emot158:
     
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    If China also backs us, Pakistan will raise issues and it will be a hiccup between them. Already Russia, US, UK, France strongly back us. China backing means P6 become reality and Pakistan is screwed after that..lol"


    What P6 are you talking about. The UN Reform refers to P10 or P15, meaning there will be 10 permanent members of UNSC.
     

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