Chinese president to visit Pakistan, hammer out $46-billion deal

[DingDong]

Biggest worry for China must be whether it's investments will turn into nothing but ash once the Non-state actors decide to up the ante in Balochistan, Karachi.

 

[Rashna]

To show off and buttress the image of fighting against their home grown terror, 20 people were killed by the pak army during air-strikes in NW today.

Biggest worry for China must be whether it's investments will turn into nothing but ash once the Non-state actors decide to up the ante in Balochistan, Karachi.

 

[Mad Indian]

What does it mean for India that China is to invest $46 billion in Pakistan?
Balaji Viswanathan 3.1k
Overall, it might prove to be not bad for India. India's biggest threat is not a stronger Pakistan - Indian Army can easily handle their army, but a weaker Pakistan that implodes. Think of Somalia and Afghanistan. Even the world's most powerful US army was totally clueless in dealing with anarchy in both these places. In case of Pakistan, you are not just talking of a population 5 times larger than Afghanistan, but one with nuclear weapons. It would be impossible for all of world armies combined to deal with the fall out of Pakistani collapse.

Thus, any deal that would prevent Pakistan from an implosion and help them focus on their economy is a good deal for India. If their leaders focus more on their growth - building highways, roads and ports, their attention might be less on sending terrorists into India.

Also, to protect Chinese workers Pakistan would be forced to go hard on terrorism and that might prove to be useful for India too. Also, China's involvement in the Indian Ocean might be useful for both India and the US to fight Somali terrorists who might eventually be merging with ISIS.

In short, I wish for more growth in Pakistan and anything that would move their leaders away from fomenting terrorism in India.

Good to read====== Yup 200mn Talibanized Paki Muslims is great threat to India (&world), we have 200mn ready to Talibanize in home

Thats total bull dude. Only good paki is a dead paki and only good Pakistan is a dead pakistan. Anything that stablises and improves Pakistan is not in Indian interest. What these libtards are hoping is that suicide bombers can be bribed to become good citizens. They cant and Pakistan is no different. But you cant expect anything more from the daughter selling liberal cunts. But atleast , sane people like us with self respect should avoid it

Reg 200mn "being ready" to talibanise, do you think they are "only ready "?

 

[Mad Indian]

 

[Sambha ka Boss]

Two years back it was $35 Billion Chinese investment, where is that money, how much came to pakistan.

 

[Blackwater]

Two years back it was $35 Billion Chinese investment, where is that money, how much came to pakistan.

Ghanta aya pakistan me

 

[Blackwater]

Once I asked few Saudi/UAE returned how they treats u (Leave aside,Saudi is openly discriminate other religions) compared to India/Paki Muslims.Then they said we(Hindus) treated well compared to sub cont Muslims especially Paki Muslims condition is worst.Blue passport not much checking,Green passport special scrutiny and disgust feeling.

And here with Riots,Caps&burks we look at them as Taliban's. Sub cont Muslims condition [B]"Dhobi ka kutta na Hindustan ka na Arab ka" [/B]

Rest I agree with u.Insha allah 'Azad Balochistan' will solve many problems

future me chini yo ka bhi nahi rahega

 

[sorcerer]

@amoy, @sorcerer, @Ray

Doubts rise on Xi's promises to Pakistan



Doubts rise on Xi's promises to Pakistan - The Times of India

Its always like that if we track the investment from China in various countries across the world..not just Pakistan.
China promise a certain investment which is a hugggggggggggge figure that can run upto billions..but the realized investment on ground in these countries by China is waaaaaay below whats promised and flashed across the media.
But then again..the media spot light is what China wants.

We can see the CHINESE posters on this forum going hyper on the CHINESE INVESTMENT...Thats the kind of reaction CCP wants from their minions..They want the Chinese minions to feel happy about how CHINA is able to BUY friendship from other nations. Once such an objective of PSY-Op is achieved through media hype on $$ roll out.. CCP gets back to reality and trims the investment which never makes it to media or the news on such is limited.
Their minions continue to live on the "CHINESE DREAM"..which is ironically a propaganda from Xi

Chinese Dream..Xi has coined the term very nicely...

China calls it "Soft Power Projection"
Its another of their deception.

 

[sorcerer]

What does it mean for India that China is to invest $46 billion in Pakistan?
Balaji Viswanathan 3.1k
Overall, it might prove to be not bad for India. India's biggest threat is not a stronger Pakistan - Indian Army can easily handle their army, but a weaker Pakistan that implodes. Think of Somalia and Afghanistan. Even the world's most powerful US army was totally clueless in dealing with anarchy in both these places. In case of Pakistan, you are not just talking of a population 5 times larger than Afghanistan, but one with nuclear weapons. It would be impossible for all of world armies combined to deal with the fall out of Pakistani collapse.

One of the stratagem of US is Managed Chaos in other words US is fishing good in muddy waters. I agree that there is a messup, but the more you read about it the more you tend to get the idea that its well staged.
Recent news you can see ISIS fighting Shia rebels in Yemen. .

India and the responsible world countries already have an idea on how to deal with Pakistans nuclear weapons if the state goes rogue. They may have a Plan B..They better.

Civil unrest where ordinary people take to the street is where it all starts and finally the state resources and treasury gets controlled by the installed regime agent. Thats what them US wants.
Civilians are just collateral who in any numbers can be controlled by force. Sustain the pressure for a few days and civilians lose their purpose, their state and is running around to find means for day to day survival.
This is when the democracy installers win. Rest as them..well!!! is "managed chaos".

Thus, any deal that would prevent Pakistan from an implosion and help them focus on their economy is a good deal for India. If their leaders focus more on their growth - building highways, roads and ports, their attention might be less on sending terrorists into India.

IMO, terrorism is one of their state departments. As their economy pulls up their terrorism department a.k.a ISI will have more funds to fund their activities + more money for their tactical pukes.
Their leaders are puppets, who are controlled by army and ISI, the rest we have seen and we know.

Also, to protect Chinese workers Pakistan would be forced to go hard on terrorism and that might prove to be useful for India too. Also, China's involvement in the Indian Ocean might be useful for both India and the US to fight Somali terrorists who might eventually be merging with ISIS.

In short, I wish for more growth in Pakistan and anything that would move their leaders away from fomenting terrorism in India.

What if to protect the Chinese workers Pakistan arms and directs the terrorists to India.. What if going hard on terrorism by Pak means changing the propaganda, freeing the captured terrorists to fight against India?
That way...Pak will effectively be able to protect the Chinese and create skirmishes in Kashmir at the same time.
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China will be happy to arm them with weapons and money to protect their interests. China looks at resources and their own selfish ends ; be assured if the business is profitable they will do anything..anything for sure.

There is an interesting read where SAUDI is using Chinese new technologies to fight yemen . I get this idea that China is seriously in the arms trade business and is arming both sides of the fight.
China -the new player in "managed chaos" without boots on ground..but using paid army that is Pakistan

In Short..Pakistan will never work in the interest of India.
The only way India can assure her growth in the region is by continued posturing and being very skeptical about Pakistan.

 

[amoy]

Pakistan project is Silk Road's debut

BEIJING - The maiden investment from China's $40 billion Silk Road Fund, in a Pakistani hydropower project, has fired the starting gun for an institution expected to help strengthen international connections in the region.

The $1.65 billion project, to be built on the Jhelum River, northeastern Pakistan, is a flagship piece of the jigsaw that is the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, a planned network of transport and energy projects linking southwest Pakistan's deepwater Gwadar Port with northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.

As countries in Asia, Europe and Africa try to understand the vision of the China-proposed Belt and Road Initiative, concrete action between China and Pakistan can provide useful references on joint construction of the Silk Road in the modern age, in at least three regards.

Firstly, the hydropower project, along with others under the economic corridor initiative, conforms to shared interests, a foremost principle of Belt and Road cooperation.

Pakistan has an energy bottleneck, with many regions struggling to supply residents and enterprises with enough power. The project, expected to be built by 2020, will provide 720 megawatts (MW) of electricity to Pakistan. The Fund, by allying with other investors including the China Three Gorges Corporation, will invest in further hydropower projects which will provide up to 3,350 MW of electricity to the South Asian nation.

The benefit is mutual. Chinese firms with technology and capital also get opportunities to expand their global presence, diversify investment portfolios, and prove their abilities through the cooperation.

Secondly, the Fund's market-oriented operation in the project is an exploration of business models for cross-border project investment, as well as a feasibility test of nation-to-nation cooperative projects under the Belt and Road scheme.

With capital injection from the Fund, China Three Gorges South Asia Investment Ltd, will develop the new hydropower facility. The Fund and the Export-Import Bank of China will also seek to provide extra loans to finance the project.

Karot Hydropower Project to be run by China for 30 years before handover

China's $40 billion Silk Road Fund for investment, part of the nation's commitment to the Belt and Road initiative, announced its first project on Monday during President Xi Jinping's visit to Islamabad.

Silk Road Fund Co, the management arm of the fund, has signed a memorandum of understanding with China Three Gorges Corp and the Pakistan Private Power and Infrastructure Board to provide capital to build the Karot Hydropower Project on the Jhelum River in northeast Pakistan.

It is the fund's first investment project since being established in Beijing in December.

According to the agreement, the fund will provide capital and serve as a major shareholder in China Three Gorges South Asia Investment Ltd, a subsidiary of China Three Gorges Corp, to support clean-energy development projects in Pakistan.

The fund also will provide loans to the project by joining in a consortium led by the Export-Import Bank of China.

Karot Hydropower Station is a priority project within the broader China-Pakistan Economic Corridor initiative, proposed by Premier Li Keqiang in May 2013. The initiative aims to build a $46 billion, 3,000-km-long route from China's Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region through the Karakoram mountain range and Pakistan's Balochistan, to the Gwadar Port, connecting China, Pakistan and the Arab world.

The project is in the fourth stage of the river's five-stage development plan, with an installed capacity of 720,000 kilowatts, and an annual power generation capacity of 3.2 billion kilowatt-hours. It requires a total investment of about $1.65 billion.

Chinese companies plan to develop a total capacity of 3,350 megawatts along the Jhelum River through new developments, mergers and acquisitions, according to a statement from the fund.

Construction on the project "is to start by the end of this year" and commence operations in 2020, the statement said. "The station will be operated by the Chinese side for 30 years and then transferred to the government of Pakistan."

As a market-oriented investment fund targeting medium-and long-term projects, the Silk Road Fund will focus on key projects along the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road while continuing to find potential targets, the company said.

 

[amoy]

Negotiation key to Pakistan railway route

The eastern route, which would go from Karachi to Islamabad and further north to Kashi, in Northwest China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, is "obviously more convenient and will cost less," the report on guancha.cn said.

The "One Belt, One Road" initiative, which refers to the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road, was proposed by President Xi Jinping in 2013. As part of the plan, China aims to support partner countries along the routes in developing infrastructure.

China's National Railway Administration and the Railways Ministry of Pakistan signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on a joint feasibility study on Monday for upgrading the ML1 railway line and the establishment of Havelain Dry Port of Pakistan Railways.

The deal was one of the more than 51 MOUs Pakistan and China signed in Islamabad during the visit of Xi on Monday, said media reports.

A spokesperson with the National Railway Administration said there is currently no news concerning how the route will be finalized, when reached by the Global Times on Thursday.

China is going to invest more than $40 billion in Pakistan in different sectors including energy, the Karakoram Highway and many others, according to Pakistani media.

The route of the CPEC is a matter of great concern to people in the vast but underdeveloped Baluchistan Province, according to a report by Pakistan's Dawn newspaper in December.

Yin Xingmin, professor of the China Center for Economic Studies at Fudan University, believed that the final project should be the eastern route, which crosses the more populous regions of Pakistan, because this route will make financial returns easier.

"A railway generates more economic impact when it passes through more populous regions," Yin told the Global Times Thursday.

"A mechanism of bilateral negotiation should be worked out, balancing the interests of all the stakeholders, and this experience should be able to be copied to other countries and markets included in the 'Belt and Road' initiative, highlighting the exemplary role of a flagship project such as the CPEC," Ma Hong, a Shanghai-based independent analyst, told the Global Times Thursday.

"The construction of the upgrading project should be carried out by Pakistani companies, with the engineering assistance of Chinese companies, for reasons of safeguarding strategic secrets such as geography and demography," Yin said.

 

[sorcerer]

The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor Is Easier Said Than Done

China has recently extended Pakistan a much-needed economic lifeline, announcing infrastructure projects that could boost trade and investment. The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) will connect the western Chinese city of Kashgar with the Pakistani port of Gwadar, in the province of Balochistan, near the Iran-Pakistan border. The project would give Pakistan's poorest province an economic boast and China access to another route to the Indian Ocean and the Middle East, while connecting many Pakistani cities in between.

Many in Pakistan have hailed the corridor as proof of the eternal and amazing friendship between China and Pakistan, though obviously realpolitik is more likely at work here than anything. After all, a recent article notes that while China has proved a reliable and steady partner for Pakistan, many Chinese do not think highly of Pakistan. China has also proposed economic corridors the Indian Ocean through India and Myanmar.

International relations aside, one of the largest controversies surrounding the CPEC has been a domestic one in Pakistan. The controversy has arisen over the route of the corridor, and the only points of agreement are that it should go from Kashgar to Gwadar. Although politicians from Pakistan's western and poorer provinces of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (KP) and Balochistan expected the route to pass through their provinces, the final route actually ended up shifted east, passing mostly through the more prosperous and politically dominant Punjab (and to a lesser extent, Sindh) provinces.

The Chief Minister of KP, Pervez Khattak, addressing a press conference, said that the original route was meant to go mostly through cities in his province and Baluchistan (and a couple in Punjab and Gilgit-Baltistan): Khunjerab, Gilgit, Kohistan, Shangla, Battagram, Mansehra, Abbotabad, Haripur, Hassanabad, Mianwali, Dera Ismail Khan, Dera Ghazai Khan, Dera Murad Jamali, Khuzdar, Panjgur and Gwadar.

According to a map provided by BBC News, the route will pass through Islamabad and Lahore now. However, the Pakistani government denied any change to the route. Federal Minister for Planning Ahsan Iqbal said that the project should not fall victim to provincial rivalry: "This impression that the route has been changed is wrong. Turning this into an issue of conflict between provinces is tantamount to sabotaging billions of dollars of investment."

If the route were changed at some point, though, it is unlikely that it was changed for economic or political reasons alone. Rather, it could have shifted eastward for security reasons, possibly at the request of China, which wants its workers and vehicles to be secure. KP is home to significant Taliban and militant activity while

Balochistan's lawlessness is increasing due to multiple insurgencies. Chinese workers in Balochistsan have been targeted before.

It remains to be seen how swiftly the new route will be built, and if it will improve the security or economic situation of western Pakistan.
The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor Is Easier Said Than Done | The Diplomat

 

[bose]

A failing economy will now bail out a failed state...

 

[bose]

Ghanta aya pakistan me

Please translate it into English for our Chinese members...

 

[Ray]

China's offer is basically setting up infrastructure that will be done by Chinese companies.

And so the money remains in Chinese hands and to China's advantage is what I think it is all about.

 

[Ray]

Please translate it into English for our Chinese members...

It means sweet fanny adams have come to Pakistan.

Though Ghanta or Kyyanta (Punjabi) has other meanings too!

 

[amoy]

What is not easier said than done?

Chinese have managed to elbow the way through the warring zones of Myanmar to complete both oil and gas pipelines.

Check the above map. How many insurgent groups are there along the Trans-Myanmar pipelines? Naypyitaw military junta doesn't have a full control of most areas bordering China. But all of them have been well engaged not to hurt the hand that feeds them.

Pakistan is comparatively less risky than Myanmar, with a stronger central, plus a populace overall friendly towards China.

 

[bose]

China's offer is basically setting up infrastructure that will be done by Chinese companies.

And so the money remains in Chinese hands and to China's advantage is what I think it is all about.

Very true, Sir,

But unless Pakistan gets back into economic recovery it does not make sence for such investment, as some one have to pay back the investements to China although it will be all chinese company implementing those railway lines and pipelines...

those railway lines and pipelines will pass through the Baloch land and Pakistan will have very hard time to protect them... there will be huge cost to bear to secure them...

 

[Ray]

Very true, Sir,

But unless Pakistan gets back into economic recovery it does not make sence for such investment, as some one have to pay back the investements to China although it will be all chinese company implementing those railway lines and pipelines...

those railway lines and pipelines will pass through the Baloch land and Pakistan will have very hard time to protect them... there will be huge cost to bear to secure them...

Pakistan will charge the Chinese for use of the rail, road and gas links that will move Chinese goods. Some money thus will be earned.

China has changed the route so that it does not go through Balochistan or Khyber Pakhtunkwa and instead will go through Sind and Punjab.

This has caused real heartburn with the Baloch and Pashtun politicians and the Province Govts.

 

[Ray]

What is not easier said than done?

Chinese have managed to elbow the way through the warring zones of Myanmar to complete both oil and gas pipelines.

Check the above map. How many insurgent groups are there along the Trans-Myanmar pipelines? Naypyitaw military junta doesn't have a full control of most areas bordering China. But all of them have been well engaged not to hurt the hand that feeds them.

Pakistan is comparatively less risky than Myanmar, with a stronger central, plus a populace overall friendly towards China.

The insurgency in North Myanmar is totally backed by the Chinese and that area has a lot of people of Chinese origin.

Therefore, they would be the last one to do anything nasty that prevent the influence of China going deeper in Myanmar.

Yes, we are aware how the Baloch love the Chinese.