Chinese PM Li's visit to India

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  1. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    Chinese PM arrives in India today. All discussion here

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    List of things I hope can get hammered out:

    Bilateral security issues
    The border - the LAC needs to be codified into an active border, preferably with a demilitarization/force limit plan in place (e.g. neither side may base more than X # of troops, Y # of missiles, and Z # of combat aircraft within four or five hundred km of the border)
    IOR responsibilities - this one's a bit of a reach, but China should pursue a joint anti-piracy or maritime patrol agreement in the IOR with India, backed by a statement respecting the freedom of navigation of all nations through the IOR, especially as it relates to civilian shipping. A naval mil-mil hotline would also be helpful.

    Multilateral security issues
    Pakistan? - a joint Sino-Indian statement congratulating the government of Pakistan on its recent peaceful transfer of power would be a nice way to signal rapprochement without declaring anything concrete. China should offer this if India is generous with the IOR agreement.
    UNSC P5 - a Chinese endorsement of Indian aspirations to the P5 would be a carrot China should hint at to the Indian side. India could reciprocate by doing the following two things:
    Explicit renunciation of R2P - India has just as many ethnic and communal problems as China does (possibly more, if one assesses the issue by the total death toll from communal violence). India also could be said to have human rights issues, especially as it relates to Indian muslims, and could wind up in the GCC's (Gulf Cooperative Council's AKA Saudi Arabia's and Qatar's) R2P crosshairs for that reason. If India were to explicitly renounce R2P - and possibly introduce and vote on a non-binding resolution denouncing the concept in the UN General Assembly together with China and Russia, that would be a critical move in securing the support of those two countries (especially China) for the UNSC P5.
    Cooperation on maritime claims - both India (with Sri Lanka) and China (in the SCS and with Japan) have active maritime disputes. A policy of backing each other's claims in international fora should be agreed upon before China backs India for the UNSC P5.

    Economic issues
    Bilateral trade deals - China could open up its internal markets to generic Indian drugmakers, which might especially be useful given the generally high cost of healthcare in China and China's aging population. This would also help rebalance bilateral trade.
    Join statement against the US patent system - the US Patent system is extremely problematic (even American companies hate it - just Google the term 'patent troll'). And yet, the US has used this system to browbeat Chinese and Indian firms into paying through the nose for Western IP. A joint statement of principles, followed by articulation of a set of alternative approaches to protecting IP around the world, would be a great move for China and India to undertake together, given how both their economies would benefit from such a move.
    Free trade zone with Pakistan? - Pakistan would never join a FTA with India alone due to mutual hostility, but a multilateral FTA with both India and China would be a great way to sweeten such an FTA with respect to the money that Pakistan could make as well as increase the political palatibility of such an agreement to Pakistan. Wouldn't India rather young Pakistani men work in factories that exported to India rather than sit around, unemployed, and think about ways to blow up Indians? The execution of such an agreement should be quiet rather than loud - no need for Pakistan to feel like India is trying to pry China away from it. Instead, a quiet agreement could be reached during Premier Li's visit, and then China could work on trying to convince the Pakistanis in a few months' time.
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    I think Chinese PM will have very tough time when he will face with the Indian Media............ lets see how he gives answers for the difficult questions.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I wonder if the Chinese PM will enjoy any interaction with the Indian media.

    He would not have the experience of handling questions that a free media normally asks, since in China it is a controlled media, and I think their leaders do not address Press Conferences.
     
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    Indian media will be sensitized not to put Premier Li in awkward position.
    But routine questions will surely be asked.

    Also, we shouldn't be surprised if there is some kind of snub for us, as his next destination is Pakistan and he has to please a large diaspora there.
    It doesn't help if you are one of the largest trading partner of your friend's enemy.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I hope they have taken the Tibetans in protective custody or else they will play havoc and kick the hell out of this visit.

    Actually, one wonders if this trip would yield anything!
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    I dont understand Li's visit either?

    Is there a direct flight from Beijing to Islamabad? Why meandering all the way to the time tested ally?

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    Politics.

    Showing what a great statesman he is to visit the country where China has a simmering border dispute that he wants to 'solve'!

    The herald of Peace - international Peace.

    And Peacefully Rise to achieve all the aims that has caused embarrassment for not peacefully rising to get into China' grip!
     
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    OFF_topic but question to chinese members here

    Who is more powerfull chinese president or chinese PM according to Chinese Law
     
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    While I don't agree with you, appreciate this post of yours to present the Chinese view point of what they would like.
     
  12. Tianshan

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    in the politburo standing committee, xi jinping is ranked #1 and li keqiang is ranked #2.

    so xi jinping is more powerful. but the politburo standing committee does collective decision making, so they are all powerful.
     
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    anoop_mig25 Senior Member Senior Member

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    But what i read in wiki President is an ceremonial role
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    The Chinese President also usually holds the positions of the Gen. Secretary of The CCP and the Chairman of the CMC (Central Military Commission). This makes it a powerful position and #1 in PRC.
     
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    He is like Srinivasan of the BCCI?
     
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    that's right.

    read what razor wrote, it is correct. xi jinping is the national leader, which is derived from his position in the politburo standing committee, not the title of "president".

    though nowadays of course, the highest ranked member of the standing committee is also the president. xi jinping is, so was hu jintao before him.
     
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    From defence to loans, China eyes slew of deals during Li Keqiang's visit

    BEIJING: China is making a major shift towards financial diplomacy with India compared to its earlier focus on winning construction contracts and selling heavy equipment. This is revealed in the composition of the business delegation accompanying Chinese premier Li Keqiang, who arrives in New Delhi on Sunday.

    The composition of the team suggests that Beijing is no more shy about discussing sensitive deals covering defence and maritime fields with India. It also has two executives from the Aviation Industry Corporation of China, and one from the China Harbour Engineering Company Group.

    The business delegation includes a dozen financial executives including seven from the powerful China Development Bank Corp (CDC) and two from Industrial and Commercial Bank of China. Li's goals during the three-day tour include tapping the Indian market, persuading New Delhi to permit currency settlements in Yuan, and venture into sensitive areas like defence deals and port construction, sources said. He will use China's financial muscle and India's need for over $1 trillion for infrastructure development. A major player will be CDC chairman Hu Huaibang, clearly the most influential businessman in the group, who has steered his bank into major international contracts including the $1.9 billion loan deal with Reliance Communications. CDC had a loan outstanding worth $225 billion distributed in foreign countries by 2012 end.

    China will continue to focus on selling more equipment to the Indian electricity sector. Heads of two major power equipment makers, Xu Jianguo of Shanghai Electric Company and Wang Lujun, chairman of Shandong Electric Power Construction Corporation, are in the group.

    India is also keen to encourage the trend despite fears that China would eventually control the supply of spare parts, which can make Indian industry heavily dependent on it in future. Asked about this fear, external affairs minister Salman Khurshid said in Beijing recently: "We have not heard of such an issue. If someone brings it to our notice, we will certainly look into it".

    Telecom majors Huawei and ZTE are sending their MD and CEO, respectively. Li is likely to seek a level-playing field for Chinese telcos in bidding for Indian equipment contracts at a time when they are facing heavy weather in Europe and the US. The Chinese government is trying to convince the world that it is not subsidizing the production of telecom equipment in order to help local companies cut costs.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ng-Li-Keqiangs-visit/articleshow/20129918.cms
     
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    Payeng Daku Mongol Singh

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    So this time we are getting loans from Asian Development bank for the development of Arunachal Pradesh.
     
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    http://http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/chinese-premier-li-keqiang-arrives-in-india-to-hold-talks-with-pm-368746
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    i think we have another mr n in this "sell-man " person ......- he wants to be "informed" then he will look into it ?

    listen sell-man : please BE informed ! now stop the silliness please !

    buying critical products from ccp and collaborating with them in infrastructural matters , is partial-suicide !

    huawei and ZTE have already been black-listed in usa and europe for highly suspicious activities ( so be informed mr sell-man ) and india is welcoming them in the presidential team ?

    but perhaps the goi is doing their own bollywood movie and including some ccp cast in the film :bhangra:
     
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  21. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    dont get too worked up. a competent PM has to be a good salesperson too. even when Hillary Clinton visited India she had to push India to open up the multi-branding retailing to FDI apart from sweet talks.

    Li is doing his job though not much of luck is likely. then move ahead to Islambad who has started to be an user of Beidou Positioning System.



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