Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop

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Posturing and bullying, the key elements of Chinese foreign policy.
Nonsense.

The only bully in this scenario is the party sending a MISSILE CRUISER to disrupt and monitor pre-announced naval excercises in INTERNATIONAL WATERS 100nm off China's EEZ.

Apparently the PLAN should be lying down and allowing unresponsive US navy combatants to monitor the electronic signals of its first CBG.
 

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Re: Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in Intern

Nonsense.

The only bully in this scenario is the party sending a MISSILE CRUISER to disrupt and monitor pre-announced naval excercises in INTERNATIONAL WATERS 100nm off China's EEZ.

Apparently the PLAN should be lying down and allowing unresponsive US navy combatants to monitor the electronic signals of its first CBG.
A common practice!
 

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A common practice!
On that much we agree, the US and Japanese Navies are making it common practice to send destroyers and Cruisers to monitor and disrupt PLAN excercises in international waters.

Japan ship intrudes into Chinese naval exercise|Asia Pacific|chinadaily.com.cn

I wonder what would happen if the PLAN sent a destroyer to disrupt and monitor one of the many US Navy drills in the East or South China Sea. There'd be Japanese and American politicians tripping over themselves to denounce Chinese "aggression" in media outlets and a certain member on this very forum calling China an aggressive bully.

Every coin has two sides.
 

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Re: Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in Intern

On that much we agree, the US and Japanese Navies are making it common practice to send destroyers and Cruisers to monitor and disrupt PLAN excercises in international waters.

Japan ship intrudes into Chinese naval exercise|Asia Pacific|chinadaily.com.cn

I wonder what would happen if the PLAN sent a destroyer to disrupt and monitor one of the many US Navy drills in the East or South China Sea. There'd be Japanese and American politicians tripping over themselves to denounce Chinese "aggression" in media outlets and a certain member on this very forum calling China an aggressive bully.

Every coin has two sides.

Why don't you? No balls? You certainly can monitor them as long as they are in international waters and with good distance for safety.
 

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On Dec. 5, a Chinese warship nearly collided with a U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser, according to U.S. Pacific Fleet.

"While lawfully operating in international waters in the South China Sea, USS Cowpens (CG 63) and a PLA Navy vessel had an encounter that required maneuvering to avoid a collision. This incident underscores the need to ensure the highest standards of professional seamanship, including communications between vessels, to mitigate the risk of an unintended incident or mishap," the Pacific Fleet said in a statement.

A U.S. military official confirmed the incident and said the PLA ship tried to get the Cowpens to stop in international waters. No shots were fired, according to the official, who asked not to be identified.

Another U.S. military official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, told Stars and Stripes that the incident was ultimately resolved through ship-to-ship communications via radio between the Cowpens and a Chinese aircraft carrier in the vicinity. The official said that at some point there was direct communication between the Cowpens and the Chinese vessel that was harassing it, but the official was unaware of what was said during the exchange.

"The U.S. has raised this issue at a high level with the Chinese government," a State Department spokesperson said in an email to Stars and Stripes.

It is unclear why the Chinese vessel wanted the Cowpens to stop.
Chinese warship nearly collided with USS Cowpens - Pacific - Stripes

I am going to assume that Chinese do not have high professional standards of seamanship. It is as simple as that.
 

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Why don't you? No balls? You certainly can monitor them as long as they are in international waters and with good distance for safety.
And play straight into the hands of the "China-threat" mongers? Now we know why you're not a diplomat.

The PLAN's modus operandi when monitoring foreign military activities is to mostly use non-intrusive monitoring techniques. Aircraft, unarmed surveillance vessels, space based monitoring, submarines and sometimes (as was astutely pointed out earlier) specially equipped fishing vessels.

Not everyone has effective control of corporate media. We can't all perpetrate provocative actions with no PR consequences.
 

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The encounter with the Cowpens isn't the first time that Chinese ships have acted aggressively against U.S. Navy vessels. In one high-profile incident in March 2009, five Chinese ships harassed the USNS Impeccable in international waters in the South China Sea, forcing the Impeccable to make an emergency maneuver in order to avoid collision. During the confrontation, crewmembers waved Chinese flags and told the Impeccable to leave the area, the Pentagon said at the time.
Chinese are just assholes. What else can be said?

And Chinese on DFI are just like Chinese on that ship, waving flags and yelling.
 

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Chinese are just assholes. What else can be said?

And Chinese on DFI are just like Chinese on that ship, waving flags and yelling.
At least someone on someday need to burst their bubble, without that peace in Asia will not be possible. They are bullying every one its not just about one or two countries alone.
 

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Chinese are just assholes. What else can be said?

And Chinese on DFI are just like Chinese on that ship, waving flags and yelling.
Chinese don't measure up-to Pakistanis in being Assholes of the highest order.
Those buggers even complained to India after their ship PNS Babur brushed against our frigate.

But, their naval commanders weren't aware that one of their sailors uploaded the video on you-tube, showing the whole episode.

Indian ship brushing PNS Babar incorrect claim: Navy - Economic Times

 
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Chinese are just assholes. What else can be said?

And Chinese on DFI are just like Chinese on that ship, waving flags and yelling.
Whatever you say bub.

I'm sure its true that the Impeccable and the Cowpens were just sailing along, not ignoring radio communiques, minding their own business and not encroaching on Chinese national security at all when they were "harrassed" by the Chinese "assholes" for no apparent reason.
Americans can do no wrong yes?

USNS Impeccable isn't a submarine surveillance ship or anything; and it just happened to be innocently sailing in the vicinity of a Chinese nuclear sub base.

Its stagering how self-righteous imperialists can be.

I'm going to leave this thread to the propaganda mudslingers; it seems fact or reason have no place here.
 
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Whatever you say bub.

I'm sure its true that the Impeccable and the Cowpens were just sailing along, minding their own business and not encroaching on Chinese national security at all when they were "harrassed" by the Chinese "assholes" for no apparent reason.
Americans can do no wrong yes?

Its stagering how self-righteous imperialists can be.

PS. USNS Impeccable isn't a submarine surveillance ship or anything; and it just happened to be sailing in the vicinity of a Chinese nuclear sub base.
And is it a common to declare a part of international waters no-go zone because you are having naval exercises?

During the above mentioned period of time, no vessel is allowed to enter the designated maritime areas.
PLA carries out military tasks in South China Sea
 

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And is it a common to declare a part of international waters no-go zone because you are having naval exercises?



PLA carries out military tasks in South China Sea
In fact, it is.

Let us be honest here, just imagine what will happen if Chinese naval ship showed up in the midst of an American military drill. Americans are going to take a much aggressive action, that is why no one dares go anywhere near their drill.

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Re: Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in Intern

On that much we agree, the US and Japanese Navies are making it common practice to send destroyers and Cruisers to monitor and disrupt PLAN excercises in international waters.

Japan ship intrudes into Chinese naval exercise|Asia Pacific|chinadaily.com.cn

I wonder what would happen if the PLAN sent a destroyer to disrupt and monitor one of the many US Navy drills in the East or South China Sea. There'd be Japanese and American politicians tripping over themselves to denounce Chinese "aggression" in media outlets and a certain member on this very forum calling China an aggressive bully.

Every coin has two sides.
It is not every country having two sides.

It is just a common practice to find out the sonar signatures of vessels as also the tactics of each Navy.

China does the same and she is by no means holier than thou!

Sub collides with sonar array towed by U.S. Navy ship

In what a U.S. military official calls an "inadvertent encounter," a Chinese submarine hit an underwater sonar array being towed by the destroyer USS John McCain on Thursday.
The Navy has complained in the past that Chinese vessels, including fishing boats, have deliberately tried to disrupt U.S. naval activities in international waters near China. In one widely publicized incident in March, five Chinese vessels maneuvered close enough to the USNS Impeccable to warrant the use of a fire hose by the unarmed American vessel to avoid a collision. The Navy later released video of that incident.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/06/12/china.submarine/
 
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Maybe this will help understanding "international waters."

Legal provision: maritime law

It contains links for even further reading.

I also would emphasize the concept of professional seamanship, which seems to be absent from PLAN doctrine.
 

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Or shall we say, Chinese are poor drivers whether on land or at sea? :notsure:

In future Chinese should use marine VHF channel 13.

U.S. VHF Channels

Intership Navigation Safety (Bridge-to-bridge). Ships >20m length .
 

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And play straight into the hands of the "China-threat" mongers? Now we know why you're not a diplomat.

The PLAN's modus operandi when monitoring foreign military activities is to mostly use non-intrusive monitoring techniques. Aircraft, unarmed surveillance vessels, space based monitoring, submarines and sometimes (as was astutely pointed out earlier) specially equipped fishing vessels.

Not everyone has effective control of corporate media. We can't all perpetrate provocative actions with no PR consequences.

Everybody is doing it, Americans, Europeans, Russians, Japanese. Your bad media exposure is not on monitoring, it is on your bullying policies. China is acting like a nouveau-riche...


nouveau-riche - characteristic of someone who has risen economically or socially but lacks the social skills appropriate for this new position
 

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The Chinese are not aware of what happens in the world.

They are told what is happening in the world by their Govt filtering what should be known and what should not known.

Therefore, their feeling that China alone is being subjected to 'atrocities' is understandable.

Mao has said that Chinese are 'frogs in the well'.

he Idiom: The Frog in the Well – 井底之蛙 (jǐng dǐ zhÄ« wā) – is a Chinese idiom that refers to a narrow-minded person who doesn't see the larger world around them.

The Story: The story is about a frog who lives happily in a well. He has no idea what's outside of that well. One day a turtle comes along and tells him about the great wide world, and the beautiful blue ocean. The frog becomes embarrassed when he realizes he's been living in such a small sheltered world.

 

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If Chinese are frogs in the well, who is the turtle? Turtle might need an adviser too.

 

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Why Doesn't Anyone Care About the Rising U.S.-China Tension? - The Daily Beast
The relationship between China and America is today's equivalent of the relationship between Germany and Britain before World War I. It's the foundation of world commerce and world peace. But it's fragile. In the history of international affairs, nothing is more predictable than war between rising and status quo powers—especially when they lack similar political systems and cultures. The mere prospect of Sino-American war would change the world in ghastly ways. Yet American politicians and pundits devote far less attention to China than to countries with far less power. At Chuck Hagel's hearing to be defense secretary, Israel was mentioned 178 times, Iran 171 times, and China five times.
China is more like Japan in 1910.
 

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