Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance

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you mena we should be like rabbit close our eyes and wait for some to handle the trouble



what is our preparation against the missile don't our intelligence agency don't have knowledge of that missile so what we are doing for our safety
The realism of China actually developing this fantasy system is far less than Russia actually making S-500 work. Certainly S-500 will be available before fake Chinese missiles. Stick it on a ship and quit worrying about it.
 

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Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance

I totally agree with everyone who are seeing this missile a problem for us. Yes we will not be fighting China but China will be selling this missile to pakistan and its possibility can't be denied. But with a problem in comes a solution. Tell me why in the world we are developing BMD? And who is going to stop us from building 12,000-18,000 tons BMD destroyers when need arises? In todays net centric world if Chinese DF-21D can hit a moving carrier because their sensors are tracking a moving carrier then why can't sensors of carrier group detect potential threats before entering into kill zone?

For this missile to work China will have to extensively monitor selected section of ocean and nothing other than satellite can do this job effectively. Tell me if China can monitor an area with satellites why can't USN ? And why in the world US has developed Anti-Sat weapons? I don't see this missile as a big threat to USN carriers as they have countering solutions ready but every new development requires some rethinking and people discuss it work out proper plans.
 
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China's new anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) will be deployed at the Second Artillery Corps' new missile base in Guangdong Province in southeastern China, if a new report issued by Washington-based Project 2049 Institute is correct.

On July 28, the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported the visit of local government officials to a new missile base in the northern Guangdong municipality of Shaoguan. The media report is the first to acknowledge the existence of the new missile base.





The ASBM has been dubbed the aircraft "carrier killer" by observers and is part of China's larger anti-access/area denial strategy designed to discourage the U.S. Navy from coming to the aid of Taiwan during a war. Now it appears China is using the same strategy to deter U.S. and other regional navies from operating in the South China Sea.

Though U.S. aircraft carrier groups have significant air defense capabilities, including SM-3 missiles, the threat ASBMs pose is a new one, said Stokes. No country has yet developed a reliable ASBM system and therefore there is reluctance among some analysts to dismiss the possibility China has developed the capability of locating and destroying a moving target at sea with a ballistic missile.


The deployment of ASBMs near the South China Sea adds a new dimension to the problem regional powers and the U.S. are facing as China begins enforcing maritime claims.

The 1,700 km range DF-21D MRBM can hit most land targets in Vietnam as well as the northern Philippines, including Subic Bay, with little difficulty.

The 1,500-2,000 km range DF-21D ASBM should be able to cover the Spratly Islands at 1,800 km. This would include roughly seventy percent of the South China Sea, if the maximum range of 2,000 km is confirmed.

Additionally, the DF-21C and D will easily handle land targets on Taiwan and naval targets beyond the island with no difficulty. The eastern coast of Taiwan is roughly 800 km from the base. China already has 1,300 DF-11/15 SRBMs aimed at Taiwan and an unknown number of cruise missiles.


The DF-31A is China's first road mobile ICBM capable of hitting Washington. Before this missile, China relied on aging silo-based DF-5 ICBMs for use as nuclear counterstrikes on the U.S.

As mobile missile systems, they will be difficult to locate and destroy during a war with the U.S. To add more difficulties for the U.S., the Shaoguan area is near tunneling projects through the Nanling Mountains that divide Guangdong and Hunan provinces.

"A Second Artillery engineering unit known to be responsible for tunneling work under the so-called 'Great Wall Project' has been in Shaoguan since as early as 2008," said the Project 2049 report
 
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The Aircraft carriers usually have escorts. Many times the escorts are submarines, if US carriers are escorted by OHIO class submarines and the Chinese try to use one of these missiles against the carrier, how will the OHIO subs respond????
 

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The Aircraft carriers usually have escorts. Many times the escorts are submarines, if US carriers are escorted by OHIO class submarines and the Chinese try to use one of these missiles against the carrier, how will the OHIO subs respond????
well they know vry well but you are not understanding the question

question is how to handle these missile
 
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well they know vry well but you are not understanding the question

question is how to handle these missile
If they have it and it works like they claim there is nothing to intercept them currently. But the response after use of one of these missiles will be all out war. Also these missiles will be ineffective against US subs.
 
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If they have it and it works like they claim there is nothing to intercept them currently. But the response after use of one of these missiles will be all out war.
well as i know claim are true
 
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well as i know claim are true
Many chinese claims are hype their mid course interception,moon walk, satellite interception are some examples until this is proven to be real this can be another item added to the long list of Chinese hype/lies. I don't know any ballistic missile that flies low enough to take out an aircraft carrier. This is Chinese propaganda for the war games USA is conducting in their water. How does a ballistic missile travel 2000km a few feet above the water??what kind of guidance will be used that makes it so accurate and have a perfect CEP for a ballistic missile??
 
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i read somewhere that this chinese ASBM is designed to evade the much touted SM-3 system by moving in around 80 to 100km altitude range thus negating it's mid course defence and it is terminally guided and moved so as to evade most of the air defence systems.also the fact remains that this development is,in totallity,a part of chinese own conventional longe range precison strike program.that is to say the development of the missile has a layered approach to it and they will be deployed with increasing accuracy,range and payloads.also the phscological factor ofchinese having acquired such a carrier killing missile can play a great role in shaping USn course of action.
 
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i read somewhere that this chinese ASBM is designed to evade the much touted SM-3 system by moving in around 80 to 100km altitude range thus negating it's mid course defence and it is terminally guided and moved so as to evade most of the air defence systems.also the fact remains that this development is,in totallity,a part of chinese own conventional longe range precison strike program.that is to say the development of the missile has a layered approach to it and they will be deployed with increasing accuracy,range and payloads.also the phscological factor ofchinese having acquired such a carrier killing missile can play a great role in shaping USn course of action.

US navy won't send AC's they will send subs instead.
 

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then they had to contend with the increasing chinese submarine fleet which has already outnumbered USN and in the future will have increasing qualitative improvement to it
 

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To the psydo-french poster above:

China has 10 times more resources than Russia or for that matter France these days. If Hu wants to he can buy a date with your first lady.

This missile may or may not exist, but don't act like a prophet every time.
 
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China has 10 times more resources than Russia or for that matter France these days. If Hu wants to he can buy a date with your first lady.

This missile may or may not exist, but don't act like a prophet every time.
I was waiting for such a response from you . Can you please elaborate your 10 time resources compared to Russia and France?

This missile may or may not exist, but don't type like a Fool every time
 

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I was waiting for such a response from you . Can you please elaborate your 10 time resources compared to Russia and France?

This missile may or may not exist, but don't type like a Fool every time
take world wide steel production as example Jan- Jun world steel production

China 323.17
Japan 54.57
US 41.00
Russia 32.68
India 32.53
Korea 28.34
Germany 22.74

China produces more steel than the rest of the world combined.

On paper China's GDP is less than twice the size as France's, but Chinese markets, be it automobiles or consumer electronics, or even luxury goods, are many times larger. As reources available for projects & developments go, China's power is virtually unrivaled, not even the US can muster this much money these days. China is building 1000's kms of high-speed railway, close to 100 metro lines in dozens of cities, tens of 1000's express-ways, all at same time. Don't think these is another country that has the financial muscles to do that right now. Currently all world's largest banks by market capitalization are chinese. China is also adding, the equivalent of almost Britain's entire generating capacity, every year. And this year, China has received most orders for ship-building.

Now look at the rescue packages in different countries, clearly China and US are in one class, no one else is even close.

Yes, i admit there is still long way to catch US, but countries like France and Russia (or a certain big neighbor of China) are clearly not in China's class.
 

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Some people, particuarly those self-claimed military experts, still view China as if she had stood still in the 80's. Obviously they don't watch TV, read news paper, all they do all day long is living in their narrow-minded fantasy world.
 

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take world wide steel production as example Jan- Jun world steel production

China 323.17
Japan 54.57
US 41.00
Russia 32.68
India 32.53
Korea 28.34
Germany 22.74

China produces more steel than the rest of the world combined.

On paper China's GDP is less than twice the size as France's, but Chinese markets, be it automobiles or consumer electronics, or even luxury goods, are many times larger. As reources available for projects & developments go, China's power is virtually unrivaled, not even the US can muster this much money these days. China is building 1000's kms of high-speed railway, close to 100 metro lines in dozens of cities, tens of 1000's express-ways, all at same time. Don't think these is another country that has the financial muscles to do that right now. Currently all world's largest banks by market capitalization are chinese. China is also adding, the equivalent of almost Britain's entire generating capacity, every year. And this year, China has received most orders for ship-building.

Now look at the rescue packages in different countries, clearly China and US are in one class, no one else is even close.

Yes, i admit there is still long way to catch US, but countries like France and Russia (or a certain big neighbor of China) are clearly not in China's class.
Go and post this data in Chinese economy thread. Just to inform you we were discussing something about Chinese Missiles not their over inflated Economy .
 
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US does not have to send AC's. USA is designing long range missiles to be placed in Guam, USA still has plenty of bombers and subs,the global strike hypersonic cruise missile will also be ready soon.
 
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guys don't go off topic
the question is about the missile and how can Indian navy will provide security to there AC
 

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No i didn't want to talk about economy either. I was asked to back up my claim that China has more resources, so I obliged.

However, i do agree with some posters that fear of china's military modernization is unfounded. Because if one compares china's military spending with what China invests on other things these days, one will quickly realize that China is not doing anything extraordinary military-wise, in fact in China today defence still takes back seat to civilian porjects. Thus the answer to the question as whether china intends to field a weapon, so revolutionary, so powerful, so destabilizing to the region's peace, is obviously a big NO, even if China actually has the abilities to do so. The fact that China's nuclear arsenal has not expanded in over 3 decades is another proof that China is not bent on dominating the world.
 

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