Chinese Military Chief Lambasts U.S.

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  1. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    The top Chinese military officer on Thursday launched a tirade against the U.S. in a meeting with South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin. Chinese Chief of General Staff Chen Bingde lambasted Washington for some 15 minutes right after the two sat down to talks at the Diaoyutai State Guesthouse in Beijing.

    "Being a superpower, the U.S. says this or that to other countries, but it never listens when other countries express themselves in a similar way," Korean officials quoted Chen as saying. He added "some actions and expressions" by the U.S. indicate that it is trying to dominate other countries.

    Chen said South Korea too "must have felt the same way" despite its alliance with the U.S., but added he quite understood if Seoul "finds it difficult to be as frank with the U.S. as it would like."

    Chen also complained about a recent visit by the U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, saying Washington and Beijing fretted endlessly over protocol in advance. "Such meticulous preparations signify bad bilateral relations. I don't think Seoul and Washington would make the careful and meticulous preparations we did if Mullen goes to Seoul, because they are allies."

    The outburst put Seoul in an awkward position and apparently aimed at repaying South Korea for complaining about China's close relations with North Korea, observes speculate.

    Kim tried to defuse the situation by suggesting Seoul and Beijing "strengthen bilateral military exchanges and cooperation," according to a Defense Ministry official.

    Chen then expressed hope that a South Korean Navy vessel will visit China, adding the details can be left to working-level officials.

    Earlier on, Kim paid a call on Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping and asked him to ensure that five family members of a South Korean prisoner of war who recently fled from North Korea to China make it safely to South Korea.
     
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    asianobserve Elite Member Elite Member

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    Another holier-than-thou. The signs are painted on the wall: nothing will please China than for it to "say this and that" to smaller countries. It's itching to be the undisputed No. 1 master.

    But in all this talk about China overtaking the US for World dominance, I am sure that I will still miss the time that the US was No. 1, just like how I miss the relative predictibility of the Cold War. China is cruder and brasher than the current No. 1, and the Wolrd under it much more uncertain.
     
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    China isn't pursuing nor capable of “world dominance". Those "smaller" countries are on no moral high grounds when it comes to territorial disputes
     
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    I sure do hope so. I would hate to see the day if ever PLA marches through Indian cities and the "Chairman" of India institutes a new "cultural revolution" in India.
     
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    Moral ground has always been a relative term, depends on whose interest it is defined for. But on legal grounds the claimants have their respective basis for their claims. For this the best solution would be the international Court or UN mediation which China has consistently refused until now but which has been proposed many times by the smaller claimants (obviously since it knows that as a giant it can always muscle its way against its puny neighbors outside a well defined legal framework of disputes resolution). So with this little background in mind, who has the "high moral ground" now?
     
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    Many posters have dismissed such a prospect as unlikely for a nuke power... unless in a bolly wood movie. FYI China has a pop. of 1.38B. Why would she take on another billion mouths while there's no oil no gas?
    If any foreign country claims Sarawak or Sabah would Malaysia bring that to the court or mediation?
     
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    tony4562 Tihar Jail Banned

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    Maoists in India are poised to take over in not so distant future, the lure of maoist communism is just too much to resist for the 800 millions or so indians who live in absolute poverty. So a cultural revolution in India is quite a strong possiblity. Maoists takeover would actually be a good thing for India, because India's problems all could trace their roots to unequal distribution of land. When the maoists takeover, they will confiscate all land from the landlords, and distribute them among the poor. land reform is a crucial stage in the development of every developing country, India can't develop when the 5% of the population control 95% of the land.
     
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    All territorial claims have now been settled because Malaysia does not bully.
     
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    I honestly don't know what China plans to achieve making enemies out of all its "relevant" neighbours ?
     
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    Well Hillary Clinton in India today, what message does that send to China?
     
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    Yeah and US and allies will soon take over China in the near future which is inevitable, as all the minorities (i.e even minorities from Han/regional chinese), Uighurs, Tibetans, Mongols et al will rise and China will be disintegrated. People will achieve much needed Freedom which they deserve as Humans, and CCP will be decimated the way Hitler/Nazis were defeated by the allies and the major gain will be to India with a lot of new additions to its territory. The so called China will cease to exists, wherein new vibrant "Democracies" will take birth, with all ethnic groups getting their share of power, 100% of the population (in Disintegrated china) will get to say in the government formation and policy making. They will all breath air of freedom and feel the freshness of being free. Disintegration of bloated up china is a matter of time, which will happen soon.

    P.S: As per Jungly maoists and their chinese supporters will be eliminated or else they may continue eating Chow mine!
     
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    Nothing.

    Trust the dumasses in South Block to goof up, once again.
     
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    Japan,Taiwan and even Korea never went through any such Maoist purge to equalize their society or redistribute wealth, yet they developed faster than China and are far more developed than China now. This just proves you would be a developed country like Japan if not for the Maoism. The reason China was stuck in poverty all this years was because of the failed utopia of Maoism, which gave unnecessary suffering and poverty to its people, now your moveing away from that to capitalism, which China could have done ages ago and been a developed country by now.Maoism brought only failures to China nothing good came out of it and i mean nothing. The wealth redistribution, cultural cleansing everything will be back sooner or later because thats human nature.

    India had the same problem with Socialism, where we tried to redistribute wealth under the land sealing act which took land from the Rich and gave it to the poor and tried to create an socialist haven, so Indians in general are aware not to make that mistake again. The maoist will never succeed, the majority see them as thief's and extortionists.
     
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    Both south korea and taiwan introduced land reforms in the 50's, japan was a developed country before WWII, land reform also happend in japan, only way earlier in the 19the century. Land reform is crucial. I'm pretty sure if India were to introduce land reform today, maoists movement would disintegrate in an instant.
     
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    China still believes we're in the 15th century... It expects its smaller neighbors to pay homage and perpetually bow to it, hence, the attitude.
     
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    /\/\/\ I think its mainly for domestic audiences. CCP administration want them to be in constant state of fear of being surrounded by strong enemies. Main reason is that common mass do not get leisure of thinking of a change in regime.
     
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    There is conflict between each and every country in asia. Japan for example has territorial disputes with russia, korea and china/taiwan. South korea currently only has dispute with japan, but only god knows what the planet's most nationalistic people would be up to once the koreans get reunited. china has settled land disputes with all her enighbors except for India. Then there is the south sea dispute where everyone is against everyone (vietnam and the phillipinese routinely arrest each other's fishmen). malaysia and singapore don't see eye too eye, thauiland, cambodia and vietnam all hate each other. Now move to south-asia, india pakistan conflict is well known, there is also territorial dispute between india and thailand. conflicts between countries are an extension of human nature, there is no way around it.
     
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    Which is why it becomes all the more important for ASEAN + 2 (India,Japan) to develop close relations with one another so that no one is "bullied".
     
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    come on brush up your history - I believe u know more than I do - at the time of independence Malaysia and Indonesia had territorial disputes and almost resorted to war. So do Phillipines and Malaysia even up to date. Philipines and Indonesia even opposed to formation of Malaysia including Sabah and Sarawak at the very beginning and planned to intervene. None of them wanna lose that pound of meat.

    That's all about realpolitik. Like Russian Federation won't give up Kuril to Japan nor will China give up South China Sea. As simple as it is.
     
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    Do you still hear these territorial issues coming to fore in the news? We know how to deal fairly and the Filipinos and Indonesians appreciated it and respected our legal claims. You can check these "disputed" territories for yourself if you like...
     

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