Chinese J-31 stealth fighter for global market

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  1. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Chinese J-31 stealth fighter for global market
    Two weeks after China’s new J-31 stealth fighter made its debut flight on October 31, it will be officially acknowledged with a mock-up of the aircraft in Airshow China, the Beijing-endorsed air show that opens in Zhuhai, China, on Tuesday. With China’s official media reporting the J-31 will be sold to abroad customers, Indian analysts say the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) might be one of the earliest customers of the fighter aircraft.

    The English-language newspaper Global Times, owned by the Communist Party of China (CPC), cites Bai Wei, former editor of the Aviation World Monthly, as saying, “Currently, the only fifth generation fighter available for sale is the F-35 by the US. The J-31 will offer an alternative for non-traditional allies of the US.”

    The leakage of photos of the J-31 debut flight, which analysts regard as deliberate, had triggered speculation that the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) had built that aircraft for the international market, creating a rival for Lockheed Martin’s long-delayed F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Aviation experts assess the J-31 would also need 7-10 years to enter operational service.

    Indian analysts, including Pushpindar Singh of the Society for Aerospace Studies, point out the PAF’s preference for Chinese fighter aircraft make it likely that it would acquire the J-31 as soon as the fighter is ready for operational service. “Already, the backbone of the PAF is made up of Chinese fighters like the JF-17 Thunder, the J-10 and the F-7. It is close to certain that Pakistan would also opt for at least two squadrons of the J-31, given that the US is unlikely to allow it into the F-35 partnership,” says Pushpindar Singh.

    Indian analysts believe the PAF will emerge as a 23-squadron air force by 2020, with its backbone consisting of 12-13 squadrons of the JF-17 light fighter.

    While the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and the Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAC) have ostensibly developed the JF-17 jointly, analysts believe that most of the development was done by CAC. The PAF already operates four squadrons of the JF-17, which is part-built in Pakistan and China.

    In 2020, the PAF would also have four squadrons of Lockheed Martin F-16s, two squadrons of the J-10 from CAC, and three squadrons of older Chinese F-7TGs.

    The close relationship between the PLAAF and the PAF is evident from the presence at the Zhuhai Air Show of three PAF JF-17 fighters, which will be flying displays during the show.

    Meanwhile, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is currently down to 34 squadrons, with which it must defend both the Pakistan and China borders. By 2017, the 14 IAF squadrons that fly MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters would also have been disbanded, and replaced by just four new squadrons of Sukhoi-30MKI fighters.

    “With the procurement of the Dassault Rafale fighter also running late, the IAF will be facing what can only be described as a crisis in 2017,” says Pushpindar Singh.

    Airshow China will also feature, for the first time ever, China’s new WZ-10 attack helicopter, which will be capable of flying anti-tank and anti-aircraft missions, fielding a payload of rockets, missiles and a rapid-fire cannon.

    Like in every China-built fighter aircraft, the five-tonne helicopter will be powered by a foreign engine.

    The air show at Zhuhai will also feature a new Chinese long-range ground-to-air missile called the FD-2000.
     
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  3. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    sell us one or two jets, we are loaded with $$$$$$$$.
     
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  4. amoy

    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    u're buying from Francois. Merci. and from Ruski, Spasibo. Also from many others. Pls leave a bit piecemeal of market share to Chini
     
  5. DaTang

    DaTang Tihar Jail Banned

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    Why does the Rafale deal delayed? Indian does not pay or French changed mind?
     
  6. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    neither we are thinking of Chines jets now a days.
     
  7. DaTang

    DaTang Tihar Jail Banned

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    hey I am serious, why is it delayed?
    I thought it is a done deal, or you are just tricking innocent frogs?
     
  8. DaTang

    DaTang Tihar Jail Banned

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    hahah, I found the answer myself.

    As per latest news emerging in media , MOD will not be able to start negotiations with French manufacturer Dassault to ink the MMRCA L1 bidder Dassault Rafale since HAL has missed the deadline for the filing license production evaluation report.

    If negotiations had taken place as per original schedule , first few Rafale made in France by Dassault could have started arriving in India by 2015 , but now that can be pushed back to 2016 .

    this will also mean that local production of rafale in HAL complex will also be delayed , HAL has been notorious in having delays in setting up production facility for aircraft’s , Internal redtape with the state-owned HAL has been criticized by Air force and defence experts many times in past .

    Recently after complains filed by a member of Parliament into allegation of corruption in MMRCA L1 bidding process was not found to be true and MOD had cleared the whole MMRCA Bid has been termed has appropriate and within the terms of the Request for Proposals and Defence Procurement Procedure, 2006.

    Dassault has been able to appoint local suppliers and partners for the rafale in India within this time frame , poor planning by HAL on its part will cost some few months and sources are also skeptical if HAL will be able to setup a Production plant in India in time frame to start manufacturing aircraft’s , In Sukhoi deal HAL for some time took help from Russian firms to assemble Kits supplied by Russian partner which lead to higher import cost since it was not able to Indigence the complete production in India for which CAG had heavy criticized the state-owned company .

    Sources in Air force are hope full that HAL learns from it mistake and keeps pace with developments and keeps delivery of aircraft’s in time , HAL not only has to increase man power for this deal in time but also has to set up different production facility for aircraft’s and engine manufacturing
     
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    I don't believe the story though, HAL is not that inept to delay a report, must be smart Indian trying to get some more from the deal.
     
  10. Yusuf

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    Keep this thread to the J31 and its export. Rafale can be discussed in the dedicated thread that exists.
     
  11. asianobserve

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    Chinese are the clowns of the defense industry.
     
  13. datguy79

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    I doubt the Pakistanis will bite if the cost per unit is upwards of 40 mill
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    They will give 50 or so jets to Pakistan for free, for the reason they dont want a Jet without customer. You see Junk fighter has only Pakistan as customer, even PLA-AF dont want this Junk fighter.
     
  15. DaTang

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    Why are you getting so moody every time over every thing China achieved, if you can put your L or M or H....CAs to market, just do it,
    are you calling yourself a clown too? Actually, you are the laughing stock on the world defense market, you paid everybody with overcharged price, your arsenal is like a display of international weapon exhibition...
     
  16. DaTang

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    You are bad sayareakd, you are implying rafale is junk, only India shows interests and still not inked it.
     
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    even a blind or a person with zero knowledge will chose eurofighter over rafale
    eurofighter is a class apart fighter when compared with common 4th gen fighter like rafale

    2 times so far French has ditched them
    *giving them a compound delta design for lca(lca being designed with French assistance) which performance in the last airshow was not UPTO the mark of k-8

    *by any mean selecting the rafale for iaf either giving bribe to the officials or promising optimistic tech


    going for French mirage of paf was the mistake they have ever made
     
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  18. DaTang

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    :)
    just don't say it aloud, brother.
    I think they chose rafale is because of the TOT, India being a big country just cannot afford purchasing stuff around like it is doing now, their long term vision is correct we have to admit, even rafale is inferior compared to Eurofighter.

    Plus their arsenal is too complicated, Soviet/Russian, French, English, American, German, Swedish, Iseali, Italian.... you just name it, if they add in Eurofighter, it will be impossible for them to maintain the logistics.
     
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    by the way, I really doubt there will be any future of LCA even it is now installed with an American engine, by the time it is enlisted, it will be too obsolete, possibly ends with a same fate as Arjun. with symbolic order from either INAF or INN.

    This being said, I think if they really want to redesign the plane, shipborne version still shows a beam of hope.
    but I doubt they will spend more to modify this current so called navy LCA protocol than spending less money to develop a new model. The current one is such a design desaster, it does not even have a double frontal landing gear, and the aero-dynamic feature of the twin seater is so strange, they must have used weight to balance the plane. I don't even know if the desing has been sent to a windtunnel, plus the compound delta wing just cannot be folded up, and without a catapult, it is impossible for LCA to be operative on any AC.
     
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  20. sayareakd

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    lol, you are smart, still Rafale is 4.5g and Junk fighter is what 3g or less.

    but you forget the biggest part Rafale is in active service with French Air force, less the said better it is for Junk fighter w.r.t PLA-AF, they dont want third generation fighter. You cant compare one aircraft which the developers airforce dont want with the one which is in active service.
     
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  21. sayareakd

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    Thanks for your comment, we have chose it, we dont want certificate for anyone, specially Pakistani.
     

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