Chinese General admits 25-30 years behind West

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  1. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Chinese General Reveals to French Journalists PLA 25-30 Years Behind

    By Christina Mackenzie
    Beijing

    During a trip to China by French defense journalists in September, Gen. Chen Zhou, author of China’s defense white paper published in March, said with some humor, “We are learning military transparency but can’t do it overnight, and it does have limits as we cannot put state security in peril.” Hence, there was no mention of Taiwan, details of the aircraft carrier, missiles or the nation’s space program during the tour.

    Ten members of the French association of defense journalists, which led the initiative to visit the PLA, made the trip. The group visited the 24th airborne division near Beijing and the Shanghai naval base, and traveled via high-speed rail to the 179th mechanized infantry brigade and the military academy in Nanjing.

    A recurring theme of the PLA hosts was the technology gap between China and the West. Chen claimed the PLA “has a 25-30-year technology gap. We haven’t even completed the mechanization process and now we have to move into the digital age. Digitalization [of military equipment] is our biggest technological challenge.”

    Gen. Qian Lihua, director of the defense ministry’s foreign affairs bureau, said “our technological means and talents lag far behind those of Western nations. We are still in the primary phase of digitalization.” He added that “we would like the countries of the European Union to sell us high technology.”

    For now, this seems unlikely, owing to an embargo imposed by the EU in 1989 after China’s bloody crackdown on protesters in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square. Last December the EU’s foreign relations chief, Catherine Ashton, wrote in a strategy paper on China that the embargo is “a major impediment” to better relations. Not surprisingly, Qian agreed that “if the embargo were lifted it would help cooperation between China and the EU.”

    Before viewing a static display of the Chengdu J-10 fighter, Brig. Gen. Yan Feng, commander of the 24th airborne, said that over the next decade he would like aircraft “with the capacity to do what the pilot wants.” He may have been referencing the J-10, implying that it has fewer multirole capabilities than claimed.

    At the eastern fleet base in Ningbo, south of Shanghai, Capt. Hu Wei Hua said the PLA Navy’s “principal strength is our spirit and our greatest weakness is technology and performance. We must raise our technological level to close the gap with France...

    He believes China is “behind by almost a generation in aircraft” and said it “will take time” for the navy to catch up with other major navies. “As an important country and member of the United Nations Security Council, we must play our role,” he remarked, implying that with China’s growing economic power it will not remain the only permanent member of the Security Council without an operational aircraft carrier.

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  3. Illusive

    Illusive Senior Member Senior Member

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    Title changes from "behind west" to "behind France" :laugh:

    Yeah, they call J20 4th gen fighter.

    Sweet words by the Gen, but will EU risk selling such advanced tech to China.
     
  4. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    China has gone backwards on human rights so the embargo will not be lifted no matter how hard they beg.
     
  5. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    The chinese are not 20 or 30years behind. That is frankly deception played by PLA to get stuff from the west, China is perhaps 15years behind the west in terms of technology but France is some what lagging behind rest of the west with no stealth fighter and AESA radar still not into production. When USA is well into a decade after the induction of the F-22 and not to mention AESA radars, France is merely playing catch up and west is not a monolithic structure, the USA is way ahead of France. :rolleyes:
     
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    No France is ahead of USA, just ask Armand...
     
  7. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Everything Chinese generals said to France was true. They are late Soviet clones 25-30 years behind not up to French levels. They want us to sell them our high technology, but only if they observe human rights.
     
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    Come on, their best radar is equivalent to the old RDY-2 or the old APG-66 made in the 90s. None of these are even close to the Bars, again made in the 90s, let alone the new stuff coming out of all the western countries. This is just radar. There are so many other aspects which are nowhere close to western standards.

    Only the people on top know the real scene in China and now we have one saying it in public. We simply know by observing.

    I hope Britain and Germany simply do not lift sanctions and sell the Typhoon to China until we get the PAKFA inducted.
     
  9. Vishwarupa

    Vishwarupa Senior Member Senior Member

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    what if western countries starts selling their advanced technology weapons to china? what will be the impact
     
  10. pankaj nema

    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

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    US will NEVER allow the sale of Arms by Europe to China

    When a few years ago when Condoliza Rice was secretary of state and EU was making noises
    about arms sale to China then Condi went to Europe and said that " There will BE CONSEQUENCES
    for Europe "

    Europe does nt want USA to dissolve NATO

    And US will be UNABLE To defend Japan Taiwan Philipinnes and SOuth Korea against the Chinese
    IF all these EUROFIGHTERS and RAFALES are acquired by China
     
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    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

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    US has already declared its intention to take ON the Chinese challenge in Asia in a direct manner

    And thus India Vietnam Australia Thailand and Burma will be wooed and strengthened with Partnerships
    in addition to the existing partners like Japan South Korea and Taiwan

    IF Europe spoils US plans in Asia
    then Europe will be abandoned by USA against the 20000 ie Twenty Thousand RUSSIAN TANKS
     
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    Unlike Indians, Chinese are fully aware of their inadequacies, for now。

    That's why China has got a long long way to go, both economically and militarily。

    The potential is far from realized。

    The future is orange。
     
  13. nimo_cn

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    Well, the original title of the thread was "Chinese General admits 25-30 years behind France", which is more amusing. I really don't understand why the thread starter discarded that genius title.
     
  14. sayareakd

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    looks like Chines trying to seduce France either in not selling Rafale to India or they want to have fighter tech for themselves.
     
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    25 to 30 years my A$$.

    They are probably 15 to 20 years behind in most technologies. In a few a stuff I believe they are already on par with Russia.

    The Chinese just want EU to sell them Technology, now that Rafale won and EF lost.

    @ Pankaj
    If the US abandons Europe or dissolves NATO it will be a huge loss for US too. Russia will become the undisputed leader of Europe and US influence will further diminish.
    If the economic scenario in Europe further deteriorates then don't be shocked the Euros do sell some stuff to China.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    But we are getting some western tech a lot of JVs and exchanges that is why we keep saying our AF will be better in terms of quality than your quantity.
     
  17. Iamanidiot

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    1)Param the russians never completely did ToT to China thats my first impression.

    2)The US will pull all stops to enforce the weapons embrago on China their super powerdom is at stake here.IF you observe US university admissions you will find more intresting observations

    3)Germany will become the leader of Europe or it will be a stand-off between Germany and France .UK is out of this equation

    4)If the economic scenario further detoriates the EU as a set-up will be pulled down I think
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    By 2020 IAFs fleet will be.

    100-Super Sukois AESA Radar

    100-Su30MKIs AESA Radar

    20-PakFa AESA

    54-Mirage2000 upgraded. Dopplar Radar for ground attack

    60-Mig29UPG upgraded PESA Radar with Re-engine.

    126-Rafael AESA Radar

    50-LCA Tejas. PESA Radar.

    120-Jaguars DAREIN-III upgrade which ensures deep strike capability and Re-engine.
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    630
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    There may be more or less aircrafts to come because the Pak-Fa may be delayed and the numbers i have stated are below Squadron strength. So IAF cant cut down below the squadron strength. Rest on track hopefully.
     
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  19. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Their best radar are Zhuks bought from Russia... sooo. Even the J-11 has Zhuk in it. Now, regarding the level of Chinese radars... remember how fast Pakistan ran to France for a new fire control system? Chicoms are wholly obsolete. The veil has been lifted and everything I have been saying is confirmed by Chicom generals.
     
  20. Nagraj

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    Exactly.............
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Do you know what is the upgrade on the Mirage-2000 and why is it so expensive without the Re-engine. 3billion USD?
     

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