Chinese FM: PRC Prepared to Settle India Border Dispute

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  1. t_co

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    China Prepared to Settle India Border Dispute, Wang Says - Bloomberg

    Seems like the rumors I'd heard through China's foreign policy apparatus are true: China did the border incursions as part of a broader strategy to support Modi's candidacy (that included financial support), so that China could negotiate with someone unburdened by Nehru's 1962 legacy and with impeccable nationalist credentials.
     
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    you guys talk about solving issues and you do this :doh:

    Stapled visas to people of Arunachal 'goodwill' gesture: China


    NEW DELHI: China on Monday justified as "goodwill" gesture its policy of issuance of stapled visas to residents of Arunachal Pradesh, saying such policy does not "undermine" the positions of both India and China which have disputes over big parts of that area.

    "China has resorted to a special arrangement of issuance of stapled visa to address the need for travel of local people. This gesture is out of goodwill and flexibility and if we do not do that we will not be able to address the concern of outbound and overseas travel of these people," visiting Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said.

    Wang further said "if this is acceptable to Indian side, it could be continued in the future as it does not undermine or compromise our respective positions on the border question and we will be able to address the question of these people".

    Visiting Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi (L), sits with Prime Minister Narendra Modi (R), during their meeting in New Delhi on Monday. (AP photo)

    However, Wang, who was addressing a press conference at the end of his two-day visit to India during which he called on President Pranab Mukherjee and Prime Minister Narendra Modi and held talks with his counterpart Sushma Swaraj, said there can be further discussion on the stapled visa issue during consultation between the consular officials and pitched for a simpler visa regime to enable more people-to-people contact.

    President Pranab Mukherjee (R) speaks with Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi during their meeting at Rashtrapati Bhavan in New Delhi on Monday. (Reuters photo)

    China has been issuing stapled visas to residents of Arunachal Pradesh, which India has been protesting maintaining that it does not recognise such visas.
    Stapled visas to people of Arunachal 'goodwill' gesture: China - The Times of India
     
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    You mean that bastards in Chinese foreign ministry are in a hurry to sell South Tibet?

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    when you owned it to sell?
     
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    BE careful you will loose northern arunachal pradesh.

    Havent you seen NAP PM in Exile during modi swearing in.?
     
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    Pls don't read too much into such diplomatic parlance. "Insider info" from @t_co always amuses me. Chinese leadership for sure has a far better vision than such a wishful thinking.

    What is the difference btwn Modi and Rahul/Sonya with regards to bilateral relations? How ridiculous it is to claim "Modi unburdened by 1962 legacies"?! For 4 decades GoI has been indoctrinating Indians with illusions like "Chinese backstabbing" while Indians "forwarded" innocently. How can Modi suddenly make a U-turn? Settling borders? How? Ceding more Chinese territory, even Tawang? Why China gives up more when in a far better position than the time the "swap deal" was proposed? Indians wouldn't budge either from that pound of flesh grabbed.

    China and India are locked in a zero sum game, one's gains at the expense of the other's loss. The contention is bound to intensify for limited resources on the earth, water , food, energy and so on, with India's 1.2bln population swelling at a rocket speed. It's delusional to trumpet Sino-India cooperation as the 2 countries are compatible to one another in no way.

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    Practically I'd rather recommend Chinese apparatchik ease the tension with Japanese and pursue warming-up despite the reciprocal venom, and push forward China-Japan-Korea (CJK) FTA, which will indeed be a paradigm shift with a great impact on geopolitics. The trade volume with Japan is 5 times that with India hence far more meaningful ! Meantime let Sino-India relationship rest in "cold peace" as it is!
     
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    China is a backstabber and let us have no doubts about that.
     
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    @amoy you are correct in the sense China and India view each other suspiciously and no power wants another power rising in its neighborhood.

    This is a crucial decade for India to fast pace economic and military development and make it difficult for China to assert any influence in S.Asian region where our core interests are concentrated.

    Regarding Arunachal Pradesh 1962 is not entirely the fault of India and there is no back stabbing.

    Forward policy is all about occupying strategic positions where Indians are at clear disadvantage in Indo - Tibet border.

    Tibet is an a autonomous region and Chinese have no full control over it, in short regions like inner Mongolia, Xinjiang and Tibet are like buffer zones where chinese used to have limited power and most of the times out of control of chinese emperor.

    In 1962 and now also the border is not clearly marked.

    In short todays China is bigger than what China used to be during imperial times and some of the territories are in occupation.

    Regarding "Zero sum Game" the phrase which we often hear about Chinese foreign affairs in the media ....... things with India are different and there will be no zero sum game with India. From here on India's position is going to become strong.
     
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    Peace with China?

    Did they agree to walk out of Tibet? No?

    Then stop dreaming.
     
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    What is the benefit of having it?

    OTOH, they say that since 1992, it has been the Indian side that has been obdurate. They have asked India every year to finalize the LoAC, and every year, India has refused. It gets worse with Bhutan - when Bhutan's FM met with them to resolve the border, India cut Bhutan's fuel subsidies and overthrew the government.

    In China's diplomatic circles, India is referred to as 穷哼, or arrogantly poor (with the implication they are delusional about their own strength) - the only other country Chinese diplomats describe that way is North Korea.
     
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    india is refered as poor cause chinese media want to show it , and they want to show it cause they want to tell their citizen that if you want freedom you will become poor.
     
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    So I am right about foreign ministry selling Chinese territory. It is funny that the only one keeps them from finalizing the deal is India.

    Then tell me about the benefits of having Tibet and Xinjiang, why not give them up? Save us from the constant terrorist attacks from secessionist? If you cant, then tell us about the benefits of ceding South Tibet to India? Is it that the clowns in foreign ministry could brag about their contributions to build a better sino indo relation?

    Chinese diplomats are the worst kind you can have, what makes them think that they are superior?

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    @nimo_cn , xinjiang is wide source of natural resources, on other arunachal pradesh is not fertile. And instead of territorial dispute china can more from india in economic sector in price of south tibet.
     
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    Pragmatically, there's simply no enough incentive for either side to resolve the border permanently.

    INDIA: With de facto control over S. Tibet and Sikkim, it's therefore unwilling to let go of what it snatched while give-and-take usually underlies negotiations. Modi may be eager to deliver commitments to voters on basics like "electricity" and "toilets". However, supposedly there're alternative investors such as Japanese or Koreans. Frictions with China to a certain degree keeps India sexy as an ideal "counter balance" to China in the eyes of the West.

    CHINA: Excessive capital can always find outlets for investment in such as neighboring pro-business Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal with cheap labor in abundance. India is well kept at bay by the string of pearls . For energy security C. Asia and Russia is the Pipeline-stan without hassles of going through choke points like Hormuz or Malacca.

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    So why the fuss abt "settling the border dispute"??
     
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    It is funny.

    Well, no actually, since they understand that no nation since World War 2 has ever voluntarily given up territory it already controls, regardless of the claims of other parties over it. This has been the case even when one nation is strong and the other nation is weak and in disarray - for example, Finland and the Baltic states vs. Russia immediately following the Soviet dissolution.

    Hence China knows it is unlikely to gain South Tibet / Arunachal from India unless it does something to alter the status quo without India's consent, which, at the very least, would trigger a formal Indo-Japanese alliance and at the very most could escalate into a sub-nuclear conflict (the existence of a clear Chinese nuclear advantage over India would keep fighting outside of that realm, thankfully.)

    This also means that Xinjiang and Tibet are as safe with China as Hebei or Fujian, since no one in China's periphery has the strength advantage or interests at stake to pry them loose. This means China has no need to negotiate their status.

    Haha, much of the reason why Chinese diplomacy sucked in the 20th century was because China as a whole was so weak. It is hard to blame a poker player for losing all their chips when they have to repeatedly bet and defend low cards versus their opponent's kings and aces.

    Recently, though, I have been disappointed in the performance of China's foreign ministry, especially as it relates to the South China Sea. China would have been much better served if it rewarded Vietnam for snubbing Obama's request to visit the country by putting the oil rig in the Spratlys rather than the Paracels. It would have been a direct response to the Philippines inviting Obama. It would have also immediately forced the US into the position of having to demonstrate commitment to a treaty ally with a limited set of response options, since the US Senate has not ratified UNCLOS and therefore the US Navy has no legal basis to enforce another nation's EEZ claims. And the likeliest responses: verbal castigation, possible limited sanctions on smaller Chinese companies or officials involved in servicing or designing the oil rig - would seem both impotent and ridiculous, as the main players involved (PetroChina, the Chinese banking system) are too big to be reined in via the response set used on Russia. Or, if the US started sanctioning Chinese officials that had assets in the Western banking system, it would immediately staunch the capital outflow from corrupt Chinese officials and partially solve China's corruption problem for it.

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    You're such an idiot.
     
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    There are some fault in chinese politics in SCS right now. Chinese is trying to fight with every nation instead of fighting one at time. Though china is powerful but stick is easy to break when it is single not when it is in bunch. So keeping india out of an alliance with japan, vietnam etc. is the wisest thing chinese foreign ministry can do right now.
     
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    China threw a lot of things at the wall, hoping something would stick. Which it well might (trade, China-Myanmar-India corridor, etc.). Talking border dispute resolution at an exploratory meeting is a way for Wang to score brownie points within the diplomatic circles. It won't have any real implications.

    The only reason why China-India relations will be slightly better than under UPA/INC rule, is because the new administration is seen as more decisive. The old one was a slow clusterfvck.
     
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    Not only was UPA's foreign policy decision-making slow, but it was hamstrung by lacking a 'right flank', which the NDA has.
     
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    Excessive nationalism makes fools of us all.
     
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