Chinese Flip Flops on Pak:Chinese province passes anti-Pakistan terror law.

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    This Discussion will Keep track of All the CHINESE Flip Flop Moments, Wetdreams, and pakistan backstabbing on Chinese and Vice versa (Natural Backstabbing Allies) !!!
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    Chinese province passes anti-Pakistan terror law. Another anti-extremist move by Beijing?


    The regional law has widened the scope of terror activities. It will also allow the government to fine those who in its view "have twisted the concept of halal which usually only applies to food, and expand the concept to all aspects of social life".

    China's western Xinjiang region passed a new beefed-up anti-terror law, that for the first time, will label those who encourage people to illegally cross the border into other countries for terror training as terrorists.

    The law will also give the government more leeway to crackdown on any dissent and to enforce its on-going - and controversial - "anti-extremism" campaigns, by imposing fines on those seen as promoting whatever the government deems to be "extremist" culture.

    SCOPE OF TERROR WIDENED

    The regional law, which went into effect in Xinjiang on Monday, has widened the scope of terror activities currently under the national law to include recruitment and training of terrorists.

    The move, reports said, is in part aimed at Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang who China says have traveled illegally across the border into Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) and onward to Pakistan to terror training camps run by the banned East Turkestan Islamic Movement.


    China says the camps are located along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Xinjiang, which has seen a string of violent attacks, borders PoK.

    The expanded regional law stipulates that "recruiting, training or transporting terror-related personnel will be regarded as carrying out terror activities, as will organising or instigating others to illegally cross into another country to participate in terror activities or terror training", the Global Times reported on Monday.

    The law will also target Uighurs who have traveled illegally to Turkey and onward to Syria. Chinese analysts say there are several hundred Uighurs currently fighting in Syria. But overseas groups say some Uighurs, including many women and children, have also traveled illegally to Turkey to escape repressive policies in Xinjiang.

    The law could presumably be invoked to enable the government to more strictly punish those who flee Xinjiang.

    The newspaper cited a case last year where Shanghai authorities arrested 10 Turkish nationals for allegedly providing fake passports to Uighurs, who had reportedly wanted to travel to Pakistan, Afghanistan and Syria.

    XINJIANG CRACKDOWN

    The expanded law will also trigger concerns of a widening crackdown in Xinjiang, ostensibly aimed at terrorism but according to several rights groups also to squash any dissent or criticism of government policy. Xinjiang is the first province to pass a regional version of the national terror law which came into force in January.

    The law says that those who use "cellphones, the Internet, mobile storage devices or other media to disseminate terrorism or extremist thoughts will also be held accountable for terror crimes."

    Uighur academics and bloggers have been sentenced to lengthy jail-terms for criticising official policy, on occasion accused on vague, unspecified charges of promoting "separatism" or "extremism".

    While China has blamed violence in Xinjiang, which has claimed hundreds of lives in recent years, on terror groups, many Uighurs say some of the violence, such as riots in the provincial capital Urumqi in 2009, has been trigged by ethnic tensions.

    Some Uighurs have criticised government policy that has seen a growing presence of majority Han Chinese and, according to some Uighur scholars, led to worsening economic disparities between the two groups.

    ATTACK ON CULTURE?

    China has also launched controversial campaigns that have reportedly angered many locals in Xinjiang, including an "anti-veil" and "anti-beard" campaign that is supposedly aimed at "extremism" but seen by many Uighurs as attacks on their culture. Moves to ban students in some universities and government servants from fasting during Ramzan have also triggered debate.

    The new regulation will allow the government to fine those who in its view "have twisted the concept of halal which usually only applies to food, and expand the concept to all aspects of social life". They will be fined less than 10,000 Yuan (Rs. 1 lakh) or detention for five to 15 days.

    MORE POWER TO AUTHORITIES

    The new law will give authorities even more leeway to stamp out dissent, declaring that "authorities also have the power to suspend ongoing rallies, demonstrations, performances or other activities that have mass participation to prevent terror activities".

    "It also gives authorities the power to temporarily shut down schools, research facilities, enterprises and other organisations and stop the operation of plants or factories that involve explosive, radioactive or biochemical materials," the Global Times reported.

    Another provision of the law will call for stricter assessments of terror suspects before they are released, and also for solitary confinement to prevent radicalisation in prison.

    "Ringleaders of terror organizations, those who incited others to commit crimes while serving jail terms and those who resist education with violent tendencies must be confined in solitary and kept away from other prisoners," the law says.



    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-law-chinas-anti-extremist-move/1/729852.html
     
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    China's counter-terror drills with India are really about its fears of Pakistan

    Interesting developments are taking place in the India-China-Pakistan triangle, which are worth watching out for in the coming weeks and months.

    Weeks after the protracted stand-off in Chumar in Jammu and Kashmir’s Ladakh region, China will be holding counter-terror exercises with India in Pune next month, the second time when the two Himalayan neighbours would be doing so since the last such exercises were held in Chengdu, China.

    However, the original venue for holding these exercises was Bhatinda in Punjab but in view of the fact that since this month India and Pakistan have been exchanging bullets and mortars on the International Border (IB) and the Line of Control (LoC) and since Bhatinda is just about 125 kms away from the IB, China urged India to change the venue of the “Hand-in-Hand” exercise.

    The Chinese request for change in venue was understandable for New Delhi as India is well aware of the special relationship between China and Pakistan which the two countries eulogise as “higher than mountains, deeper than oceans and sweeter than honey”.

    Therefore, in a spirit of camaraderie and in a bid to be accommodative, India has acceded to Beijing’s request for changing the venue of the joint counter-terror drill and agreed to hold these exercises away from India-Pakistan borders in Pune, instead of Bhatinda.
    :rofl:

    While 103 specialised military personnel from each side will be participating in mock drills and try to liberate border posts captured by terrorists in simulated exercises in Pune, two important points must be noted in context of the India-China-Pakistan triangle.

    The first one pertains to China and Pakistan. Actually, the very fact that China agreed to hold a joint counter-terror drill close on the heels of the Chumar standoff betrays China’s unease with its all-weather ally Pakistan on the terror front. It shows that China trusts Pakistan as little as India does when it comes to the issue of terrorism, particularly the jihadist brand of terrorism.

    It shows that China is indeed apprehensive of dangers from Pakistan when it comes to export of jihadist brand of terror. China is extremely sensitive about spread of radical Islam in its restive regions like Xinjiang. The Chinese fears have taken the shape of paranoia in the past few months when it became a victim of several terror attacks, despite the fact that most of these were lone-wolf acts aimed at soft targets.

    China’s willingness to engage with India – or any other country, for that matter, on the terror front – emanates from their nervousness. The Chinese know very well that if at all the jihadists are to target their country, the only country they have to fear is their own close friend and ally with whom they enjoy “sweeter than honey” relationship – Pakistan.:rofl::laugh:

    That is why China has been holding several strategic talks on Afghanistan in the trilateral format with several nations, including India, wherein they have deliberately excluded Pakistan. Like India, China too is apprehensive of a situation wherein Pakistan-spawned terror outfits (read Taliban) once again seize control of Afghanistan after the American/NATO troops’ withdrawal from the land-locked South Asian country.

    The second pertains to India-China bilateral relations.

    The fact that China has agreed to hold counter-terror exercises with India should also be seen as yet another instance of the complicated nature of bilateral ties between the two giant neighbours. China knows that Pakistan is India’s biggest bugbear when it comes to the terror issue. China feels that by continuing to keep India engaged with on the terror cooperation front, India will be useful in keeping a tab on the activities of the Pakistan-based terror outfits.

    China is well aware of the fact that India keeps a very close watch on all Pakistan-based terror outfits, just as Israel shadows each and every move of all the Arab/Palestinian outfits.

    China feels that it would be wise to keep the Indians in good humour in the hope that the Indians would be the first to sensitise China about the looming threats from Pakistan vis a vis China. Perhaps India might have shared with China some valuable real-time intelligence to earn this kind of Chinese confidence in India.

    Whatever may have happened on this tactical issue of India sharing real-time Pakistan-centric intelligence with China is a thing of the past. Now the regime has changed in India.

    For India’s Narendra Modi-led government nothing is more important in its dealings with China than the problem of frequent Chinese incursions. The Modi government will do well in telling China that any real-time Pakistan-specific intelligence sharing with China will come with a price tag. And that price tag will be China putting a complete stop to its incursions strategy.

    India knows very well that the Chinese are adept in the game of running with the hare and hunting with the hound. India needs to make itself crucial in tipping China about the activities of persons involved in the running of the jihad factory in Pakistan. And if India is armed with such intelligence inputs, which undoubtedly it is, then New Delhi must tell Beijing that it can share such information but with strings attached.


    http://www.firstpost.com/world/chin...ally-about-its-fears-of-pakistan-1763141.html
     
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    LOL...

    well...Some Indian brain is quite unique in this world...somehow the regional <anti-terrorism regulation> became the so called anti-Pakistan terror law in some idiots' big mouth...well, I'm speechless...:facepalm:

    pathetic Indian media, should we bring this into the Indian Media Watch thread as a vivid case? lol
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    http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-08/03/content_26324682.htm


    Xinjiang toughens anti-terror stance
    Updated: 2016-08-03 07:42


    The latest anti-terrorism regulation in the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region will help to prevent terrorists from using religion to lure people into terrorist activities, anti-terrorism experts said on Tuesday.

    Under the new regulation, which took effect on Monday, people who expand the concept of halal in Islam - which means adherence to dietary laws - to include other areas of life will face detention and fines.

    In recent years, the region has seen many cases of terrorists and extremists making people believe that bank notes, ID cards and marriage certificates are not halal, so people become isolated from modern society and are easily radicalized.

    The regulation, which is a legal interpretation of China's Anti-Terrorism Law, will also punish those who use the preaching of religious teachings to promote terrorism or extremism.

    "The detailed regulation is drafted to deal with the anti-terrorism situations that are unique in Xinjiang, which faces a greater terrorist threat than any other place in China," said Li Wei, an anti-terrorism expert at China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations.

    Xinjiang has always been China's front line against terrorism. The penetration of religious extremism has led to an increasing number of terrorist attacks in recent years.

    "Many acts of religious extremism used by terrorists to manipulate others are not clarified in the Anti-Terrorism Law. Including them in the legal interpretation can help Xinjiang prevent people from getting involved in terrorist activities," he said.

    The Anti-Terrorism Law, which was implemented on Jan 1, is a general guideline for China's anti-terrorism work, and Xinjiang desperately needs the legal interpretation to make sure the law in the region is practical, Li said.

    The regulation was passed by the Standing Committee of the Xinjiang regional People's Congress on Friday. Xinjiang is the first provincial-level region to introduce the legal interpretation of the Anti-Terrorism Law.

    "Authorities in Xinjiang have gained rich experiences in combating terrorism in recent years. Such experiences have helped us to make sure the legal interpretation can effectively help Xinjiang fight terrorism in accordance with law," said Lu Ping, a member of the Standing Committee.

    The regulation also gives a clear guideline for how to handle terrorist criminals in prison. Leaders of terrorist organizations and terrorist convicts who incite others while serving sentences will receive solitary confinement.

    Terror convicts now need to go through risk assessments six months before release, and local courts are required to decide if the convicts can be released.

    Acts of terrorism defined in the latest legal interpretation

    Funding, carrying out or plotting terrorist activities after receiving instructions from individuals or terrorist organizations from home or abroad.

    Setting up terrorist organizations and recruiting members to organize, plan or carry out terrorist activities by preaching terrorism and religious extremism to others.

    Providing facilities or organizing others for physical or tactical training for those who plan to carry out terrorist activities.

    Providing assistance in transporting those who are involved in terrorist organizations' training and recruitment activities, as well as plotting or carrying out attacks.

    Crossing borders illegally to receive terrorist training or joining terrorist organizations.

    Using cellphones, internet, video or audio files or publications to spread terrorism and extremism.
     
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    You nailed it lol. :lol:

    Can't really blame the Indian media, specially this board for spreading lies and misinformation. CPEC is on their nerves, internal security is improving in Pakistan, economy is back on track and Kashmir is imploding. Bit too much to digest. :lol:
     
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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    :india:
    Chinese State-controlled media's panties in twist to utter the name of pakastan?! :rofl:
    but well, had it mentioned 'The Name', the equation of anti-terror law = anti-pakastan terror law would've still been difficult to assimilate by the pea-brains of many speechless dunces!
     
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    :D
    Forum posters from china are good in flip flops too on pakistan.



    The Express Tribune
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    Xinjiang unrest: China blames unrest on Pakistan-trained terrorists

    KASHGAR, CHINA:
    China has blamed terrorists trained in Pakistan for an outbreak of deadly violence and imposed heavy security on Monday in a bid to prevent further unrest.


    Nineteen people were killed in two separate incidents in the ancient Silk Road city of Kashgar over the weekend in the latest wave of violence to hit the restive Xinjiang region, home to a mainly Muslim Uighur minority.

    The Kashgar local government said in a statement on its website that the assailants who attacked a restaurant that left six dead on Sunday had learned explosive-making skills in terrorist-run camps in Pakistan.

    “The heads of the group had learned skills of making explosives and firearms in overseas camps of the terrorist group East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) in Pakistan before entering Xinjiang,” the online statement said.

    The attackers adhered to “extremist religious ideology” and advocated “jihad”, the statement also said.

    Chinese authorities have accused the ETIM, which wants an independent homeland for Xinjiang’s Uighurs, of orchestrating attacks in the region on many occasions.

    The US and the United Nations have listed the group as a “terrorist” organisation and China has previously said it has operations in Pakistan as well as Afghanistan.

    But Pakistan said it would “continue to extend its full cooperation and support” to China’s government against the ETIM.

    However, Xinjiang expert Michael Dillon told AFP there was little evidence the group had any links to Pakistan.

    “What we’re seeing now is a repeat of China’s complete unwillingness to see that unrest inside its borders might stem from poor conditions,” said Dillon, an academic and author of the book “Xinjiang, China’s Muslim Far Northwest”.

    Many of Xinjiang’s roughly nine million Turkic-speaking Uighurs are unhappy with what they say has been
    decades of political and
    religious repression, and
    the unwanted immigration of China’s dominant Han ethnic group.

    This tension has triggered sporadic bouts of violence in the resource-rich and strategically vital region bordering eight countries, including Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Sunday’s attack came less than 24 hours after eight people were killed and more than 20 others injured at a night market in Kashgar by two knife-wielding assailants, according to authorities.

    Police also reportedly shot dead five attackers.

    The Kashgar government statement did not mention the night market attack, but some state media reports on Monday blamed both incidents on “terrorists”.
     
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    China publicly names Pakistan for Mumbai terror attacks
    HONG KONG: In a major development, China has for the first time, publicly acknowledged the role of Pakistan in the coordinated terror attacks that took place in Mumbai between November 26 and 29, 2008 that claimed the lives of 164 people and left another 308 injured.

    Chinese State Television CCTV9 has, in a documentary aired recently, highlighted the role of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and its sponsors in Pakistan in this horrific attack which shook the world.


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...umbai-terror-attacks/articleshow/52634493.cms
     
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    As Small writes, “China would like to see the India-Pakistan relationship exist in a state of managed mistrust,” one which keeps India tied down in its own neighborhood rather than challenging China across their long land border or competing with it in the rest of Asia.

    But, particularly since India and Pakistan conducted nuclear tests in 1998, China has also fretted about the possibility of an all-out war between the two. Thus when Pakistan began a border conflict with India in the Kargil region of Jammu and Kashmir in 1999, China refused to provide military or diplomatic support.

    Significantly, Chinese officials were in regular contact with their U.S. counterparts during the Kargil crisis to ensure both Beijing and Washington delivered the same message to Pakistan about the need to pull back its troops.Those contacts would come as a surprise to many in Pakistan, which has tried to use its “all-weather friendship” with China to balance its often-antagonistic relationship with the United States, little realizing the two could also work together behind its back.



    Similarly, after the attack on Mumbai by the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in 2008, China refused to use its veto in the United Nations Security Council to block sanctions against the Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the front organization for the LeT. It would, as Small notes, be ready to help Pakistan in the event of an unexpected Indian invasion. But there would be no blank check to underwrite Pakistani adventurism. “As with its enduring assistance to Pakistan’s nuclear program, the most significant backing that China provides does not come in the midst of the latest crisis, but from the steady, long-term commitment to ensure that Pakistan has the capabilities it needs to play the role China wants it to,” writes Small.

    http://warontherocks.com/2015/02/nothing-comes-without-conditions-chinas-relationship-with-pakistan/
     
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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    The flip-flops are higher than the mountains & deeper than the seas!
    Tapatalked!
     
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    Cuz insurgents in Xinjiang are good terrorists as are supported by other good terrorists which are good for pakistan. So, it's how it became so.:D
    And such incidents become common in every country whoever comes near pak.
    Itni si baat se impress bhi ho gaya ya sirf chamchagiri kar raha hai?:confused1:
    Another one LOL,
    I have been hearing dozens of times that evil India is funding billions to bad terrorists to destroy CPEC cuz it will make pakistan an Asian tiger.:pound:
    Except our territorial issue, we don't give a damn.
    We don't give a damn.
    Our homicide rate is your half.:p
    We again don't give a damn.
    BTW, we still have way higher per capita income growth. Your economy is on track, our one is rocketed.

    Do more to impress.
    Better say few big cities like Srinagar were where stone pelters got pellets.
    Most of the state was silent as comes before. But few morons had a strong mental blow up, so 70 were blown up to their 72 virgins.
    You know, I daily monitor pakistani media and their intellectual masturbation that how evil kuffur unislamic dark and short yindoos are planning day and night to sabotage CPEC (the world's centre) and how our every step (even unrelated and internal:facepalm:) is indirectly to harm or embarrass the land of the purrest!
    :cruisin2:
     
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    China: Hotels to BAN guests from Pakistan and 4 other Muslim countries


    Chinese police in Guangzhou city have ordered hostel operators to turn away guests from five countries, including Pakistan, until next month, a media report said on Friday.

    Hostels in various parts of the city have confirmed that local police asked them to turn away guests from Afghanistan, Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Pakistan starting from this week, the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post reported on Friday. The inclusion of Pakistan in the list came as a surprise considering its close all weather ties with China.

    The Guangzhou police move reportedly came ahead of the 11th Pan-Pearl River Delta Regional Cooperation and Development Forum being held in Guangzhou since Thursday while the G20 leaders’ summit will be hosted in the eastern Chinese city of Hangzhou on September 4-5.

    Asked about the move, Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said that “we never heard about such a policy being carried out in China”. “As for China, our policy is to encourage people to exchanges in China and other countries,” he said on Friday. Post quoted an official of a hostel as saying that “local police asked us to turn down guests from these five countries until September 10, without giving any reason.”

    A person at the front desk of a hostel in Yuexiu district acknowledged the measure by referring to a written notice. Similar responses were given at other hostels in different parts of Guangzhou, with some saying the ban would run up to October. However, the ban does not apply to five-star hotels like the Garden Hotel or White Swan, or even brand name budget hotels, it said.

    The ban has not been applied to hostels in other nearby cities including Foshan, Yiwu and Shenzhen, it said. Dr Peng Peng of the Guangzhou Academy of Social Sciences said the move was not announced to the public but was to reduce security risks at Guangzhou’s independent hostels.

    The move also suggested officials might be concerned about security if some Western state leaders decided to visit Guangzhou after the summit, he said.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...-told-to-refuse-guests-from-pakistan-2997422/

    some chinese idiots in this forum were opening their bigmouth big and wide for pakistani whatnot!! speechless they must be now that the pakis are shoving up the pak values down the chinese throat!

    Atleast this is what commies in china doesnt want !
     
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    But for us this news is sweeter than honey!! :biggrin2:
     
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    All anti-terror laws in all nations are by default anti-Pakistan since Pakistan is the Walmart of terrorism. That is their primary export. So, if you ban terrorism, you are effectively imposing a sanction on the Pakistani economy, in a way.

    All nations all over the world need to continue buying first class graduate freshers from the MIT (madrassa institute of terrorism), it's a very renowned Pakistani university. If we stop buying then where will these fresh graduates go?

    I think we should sign an HR contract with Hafees Saeed and make him our HR manager. He can hire good talent for our Baluchistan operation. And he is not as bad as he is made out to be, after all he doesn't hate all Indians, he loves our media and Barkha in particular. He has so much love for Indians and women journalist, so Hafees Saeed is a progressive feminist after all, who loves strong and independent working women like Barkha. Highly objective and balanced in his worldview, he's the HR manager India needs the most, not Narayan Murthy or Aseem Premji, they are simply overrated.
     
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    China's state-run media blames free press in India for 'negative sentiments' towards Beijing



    NEW DELHI: State-run Chinese media took pot shots at the free press in democratic India and blamed it for "stirring up negative sentiments" against China.

    The Indian press, the state-run Global Times wrote, grabs "all the attention they want like always" and therefore it's also responsible for causing deterioration in the Indian public's views of China."
    The Chinese paper says that "clearly", the free press in India "has not yet learned to see the considerable potential of the bilateral relationships with a constructive mind-set." And Global Times also felt it necessary to caution the India media about the 'West.'
    The Chinese paper says that "clearly", the free press in India "has not yet learned to see the considerable potential of the bilateral relationships with a constructive mind-set." And Global Times also felt it necessary to caution the India media about the 'West.'
    "The West is taking delight in driving a wedge between Beijing and New Delhi. Media from both countries should therefore be more cautious not to fall for that," it wrote.
    Global Times, one of a stable of several state-run Chinese news agencies, also pointed out the phrases and ideas it finds egregious that are common in Indian media's articles.
    "They (Indian media) tend to attach more attention to divergences while overstating contradictions between the two. Words like 'invasion' or 'transgression' are often used by them to describe Beijing without naming sources, and the 'China threat theory' has been hyped up by them from time to time.
    It was commenting in the context of the coverage of Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi's visit to India last week.
    TOI had reported in a curtain raiser to his trip that Wang would try to ensure that Prime Minister Narendra Modi doesn't join other countries in raising the controversial issue of the South China Sea during the upcoming G20 meeting early next month.
    Global Times didn't like that. "Unlike the Indian media's tone, there is no need for Beijing to beg for New Delhi's favour," it wrote.
    It wrote that this was a "negative" sentiment and that Wang's tour was "focused on cooperation over the upcoming G20 and BRICS summits."
    "...quite a few Indian media started to cover the tour a week ago with the eye-catching headline 'China blocked India's NSG bid, but now wants help on South China Sea,' " Global Times wrote. And after "negative hype over Sino-Indian ties by Indian media for a long ... they did it again this time," it added.
    In fact, prior to Wang's visit, the same state-run Global Times warned that India's focus on the South China Sea will harm its ties with China and create obstacles for Indian businessmen.
    The Chinese news outlet again brought up the issue of India's not getting membership to the Nuclear Suppliers Group and the supposed tit for tat by India in not renewing three Chinese journalists' visas.

    http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Chi...ents-towards-Beijing/articleshow/53708653.cms

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    During Modi's visit, Chinese state TV shows Indian map without Arunachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir


    BEIJING/NEW DELHI: A controversy was kicked up on Thursday with China's state-owned television CCTV showing India's map without Jammu & Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh while reporting on Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...sh-and-Jammu-Kashmir/articleshow/47286370.cms

    This is the chinese forked tongue!!
     
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    Where Do China-India Relations Stand After the Chinese Foreign Minister’s Visit?
    China’s idea of bilateral relations seems to be to aggressively push their national interests while dismissing India’s concerns as unimportant.

    Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi was in Delhi on August 13, 2016 for talks with his counterpart, external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj. As is customary, Wang also had an audience with Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The main purpose of Wang’s visit, according to Xinhua news agency, was to “conduct strategic communications with India”. So what did the Chinese minister wish to convey, what did he seek from India and did he succeed in his mission?

    Conversations between Modi, Swaraj and Wang are, of course, not in the public domain. Neither have these conversations been spelt out in great detail by either side. But, reading between the lines, the contours are ever so slightly visible.

    This must also be placed alongside the current state of the overall relationship between the two countries for better appreciation. There is no doubt that after the Nuclear Suppliers Group episode and the earlier “technical hold” that China had placed on India’s application to include Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azar in the UN sanctions list, bilateral relations are considerably tense. Needlessly, the Chinese have brought themselves to this pass by looking the other way when their “iron friend” indulged in thoughtless adventurism by encouraging terrorist attacks against India.

    The Chinese press (Xinhua) maintains that at the end of Wang’s visit, a “consensus” was reached. The “two sides agreed to strengthen mutual support over the successful organization of the upcoming G20 and BRICS Summits” and that China is willing to “boost mutual support with India towards this end”.
    The Chinese have also made it clear that the South China Sea issue was of vital national concern and that India should “fully comprehend Beijing’s concerns”. In other words, a warning for India: Do not take any stand on the dispute that hurts China’s interests, as there may be other side-effects!
    Probably what Wang had in mind was that the phrase used in the joint communique issued at the end of the foreign ministers’ trilateral meeting (Russia, China and India) in Moscow earlier this year could be used once again. According to the Chinese, India had agreed that the South China Sea issue be addressed through talks between the parties concerned. Has India agreed to this formulation for the G20 and BRICS summits? The Chinese seem to be hinting that this is so.

    As for India’s concerns regarding Masood Azar; these were airily dismissed by advising India not to let “individual problems obstruct the course of co-operation”. But curiously, Xinhua also suggested that both sides had reached a consensus that “individual problems [Masood Azar] will eventually be solved through strengthening of mutual trust and reduction of unnecessary misunderstandings”. How is this “trust” to be achieved? Will China take the first step to remove these “unnecessary misunderstandings”? This hardly seems likely, given the state of relations that exist between China and Pakistan at present. In the same context, India’s concerns about the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, expressed by the external affairs ministry, were probably met with silence or at best with the homily that the issue of Kashmir be settled between India and Pakistan. So a stalemate on these issues between India and China is very likely to continue.

    On the NSG, the Chinese, who are adept at obfuscating issues, denied that they were the prime movers in blocking India’s attempt to gain entry. While loudly proclaiming that India has “wrongly” blamed China for blocking its entry into the group, the Chinese tried to morph Indian public opinion in their favour by stating that the door for entry was “not tightly shut”. However, Wang appears only to have conceded the need for further talks by offering to let the chief Chinese negotiator meet his Indian counterpart. But there is a catch here too. According to Xinhua, “future discussions between India and China can only proceed on the basis of safeguarding an international non-proliferation mechanism”. So will the Chinese lift their objections to India’s entry to the NSG? Again, hardly likely. All the spin about talks is designed to lull opposition till the G20 summit is over – the successful holding of which is a prime Chinese political requirement, particularly as Chinese President Xi Jinping is personally committed and his prestige is involved.

    It seems that during Wang’s visit, the Sino-Indian boundary issue and the need to strengthen border management was also mentioned. The eastern sector of this border is the most important and sensitive, from India’s point of view. Sometimes, it remains inexplicable as to why we do not press the Chinese harder for clarification on the line of actual control (LAC). On November 4, 1962, then Chinese Prime Minister Zhou Enlai wrote an official letter to Nehru and confirmed that “in the east the LAC coincides with the McMahon Line”. Zhou also sarcastically noted that “I believe the Indian government must be having in its possession the original McMahon map”. Quite rightly so, it does. And the Chinese government also has in its possession a copy of the original McMahon map, which they inherited from the Tibetan authorities when they occupied Lhasa. So with both the Indian and the Chinese authorities having in their possession the original McMahon map, it should be easy to read the coordinates and demarcate the LAC. But the Chinese realise that if they were to do that, they would be confirming the McMahon line and its demarcation.

    It is this commitment that the Chinese try to avoid when they avoid the whole process of LAC clarification. We should press them at every forum and not let them resile from their earlier position.

    R.S. Kalha is a former secretary, Ministry of External Affairs and a member of the National Human Rights Commission.
    http://thewire.in/59770/china-india-wang-yi/
     
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    After threats..chinese seems to maintain their stupid STATUS QUO dance. The same chinese forked tongue bitching.




    China-Pakistan Economic Corridor Will Not Affect China's Stand On Kashmir: Beijing


    Asked about objections raised by India over the CPEC as it passes through the disputed region of PoK, she said, "We are well aware of these concerns but as has been said before, this CPEC is a platform for long term development."
    BEIJING:
    The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor does not alter China's long-standing Kashmir policy that the issue should be resolved bilaterally between India and Pakistan, Foreign Ministry said today, as it pushed for the early completion of the $46 billion project that traverses through the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

    CPEC reached a phase of implementation in "all round way," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told a media briefing here, adding that Beijing would like to work with Pakistan to strive for "more progress and deliver tangible benefits" to the two sides at an early date.

    A sound mechanism has been put in place by both the countries for the project to move ahead, she said.
    Asked about objections raised by India over the CPEC as it passes through the disputed region of PoK, she said, "We are well aware of these concerns but as has been said before, this CPEC is a platform for long term development."
    "It targets no third country and we strongly believe that this Corridor will work for connectivity, regional peace and development," she said.


    "Our position on Kashmir issue is consistent. This issue is left-over from history between India and Pakistan. It needs to be resolved between India and Pakistan through consultation.
    "Our position on the building of CPEC will not affect our stand on Kashmir issue," she said reacting to Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's comments that the project not only has economic value but also strategic importance with far reaching significance.

    Chinese officials, media and strategic scholars have become vocal in last two weeks in airing Beijing's determination to push ahead with the project as Prime Minister Narendra Modi expressed concern over human rights violations in Baluchistan and PoK during his Independence Day speech on August 15.

    A Chinese scholar of an official think tank attached to the Chinese foreign ministry had even warned that China may militarily get involved and take joint steps with Pakistan if "Indian factor" is found in disrupting the corridor.
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    If so..Beijing should talk to INDIA on GILGIT and PoK if they think its a BILATERAL ISSUE!!!
    I think the OPIUM has not left chinese shores..most decision makers in commie party are neglecting REAL CONCERN and is hallucinating on sales pitch such as "Connectivity" " REGIONAL PEACE" and "DEVELOPMENT"
    :D
    chinese are already involved militarily(non conventional way) in Balochistan and PoK by supporting rogue actors to promote terrorism as an end need. china is selling arms and ammo to pak and funding terror fronts.

    chinese hides behind the paki ass..thats the military involvement as always.. South China sea will be fought in Balochistan then!!!china cant afford a war what they can afford is show of aggression and when confronted the meekness to maintain status quo.
     
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    China might just have admitted it is feeling cornered by US, India, Japan

    Highlights
    • The editorial mentions Japanese premier Shinzo Abe's upcoming Russia visit "despite the lack of progress in their long-standing territorial dispute"
    • Then there's mention of Barack Obama's upcoming visit to Laos
    • "If India hastily joins the US alliance system, it may irritate China, Pakistan or even Russia," the article said

    China, the article says, appears to be positioned in the centre of geopolitical moves by the US and Japan.

    NEW DELHI: Could it be that despite the belligerent front China keeps putting on, it's actually feeling cornered by recent moves of its neighbours to ally with other countries?

    An editorial today in a Chinese government-run news outlet seems to indicate strongly that Beijing is indeed feeling threatened. The editorial also says that this means that "China has just become a real major power."

    The editorial in Global Times talks about China's diplomatic efforts on various fronts, alludes to them as altruistic rather than strategic partnerships, and then says that similar efforts by other countries are actually all an attempt to encircle China.

    In this context, the editorial mentions Japanese premier Shinzo Abe's upcoming Russia visit+ "despite the lack of progress in their long-standing territorial dispute." The leaders of the two states are expected to work on eight economic cooperation plans, the article says.

    "Japan's moves can easily be viewed as imposing geopolitical pressure on China through improving ties with Russia," is the editorial's interpretation.

    Then there's US President Barack Obama's upcoming visit to Laos+ , after the G20 summit in China's Hangzhou early next week. "He will be the first incumbent US president to visit Laos, and this has been interpreted as his last efforts to address his pivot to the Asia-Pacific strategy before he leaves office," Global Times analyzes.

    And last but not least, there's bete noire India.

    'India-US growing closer'

    "Currently, Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar is in the US to sign a logistics agreement+ with the US, and some US media explicitly said that this signals that India is leaning toward the US alliance system," the editorial says.

    China, the article says, appears to be positioned in the centre of geopolitical manoeuvres by the US and Japan, and by extension, India. The article warns, though, to not take China lightly. "The outside world has miscalculated geopolitics by interpreting China's diplomacy," it adds.
    Global Times, in fact, said earlier this week that India's pact with the US might just "irritate" China

    "If India hastily joins the US alliance system, it may irritate China, Pakistan or even Russia. It may not make India feel safer, but will bring strategic troubles to itself and make itself a centre of geopolitical rivalries in Asia," Global Times said in an article two days ago.

    State-run Chinese media has also indicated Beijing is extremely unhappy with India's strategic shift in dealing with Pakistan - by talking about Pakistan's atrocities in Balochistan+ and in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir.

    Also earlier this week, an influential Chinese think tank warned that Beijing will have "to get involved" if any Indian "plot" disrupts the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor+ in restive Balochistan.

    The Chinese think tank, the Institute of South and Southeast Asian and Oceanian Studies at the China Institute of Contemporary International Relations, is among China's most powerful, and is affiliated with the country's ministry of state security. A researcher there said India's growing military ties with the US as well as its changed attitude on the disputed South China Sea are ringing alarm bells for China.

    And China would not at all have been thrilled with US secretary of state John Kerry's statement yesterday, which hinted that Beijing could learn from New Delhi how to accept international tribunals' non-binding judgments.

    Of course, about China's own geopolitical forays, the article was more forgiving.

    "Is China "encircling" the US when Chinese leaders visited Cuba or Mexico? Was China extending its footprints to the US' backyard when it enhanced economic cooperation with Latin American countries? In Asia, China keeps increasing its investment in Sri Lanka. Is China rivaling with India?" the editorial posits rhetorically. Without explicitly saying "no" to all these questions, the article is essentially saying China isn't doing any of these things for any strategic reasons.

    :pound::pound::pound:

    As for the other countries, they are all acting to contain China, the editorial says.


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ed-by-US-India-Japan/articleshow/53956415.cms

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    funny chinese diplomatic dance with 2 left foot , a forked tongue and a retard by its side known going by the name pakistan.

    How to share Biscuits with china..or how china sees it.An Odessey!!

    chinese Interaction with pakistan.

    china: Give us 3 biscuits of 4 you have pak.
    pak:Sure..take all 4 for some cheap weapons and media circus and later you can take our ass too..

    Chinese interaction with rest of the world.

    china: give me 3 biscuits from the 4 you have.

    others:Okay..lets split it equal..you take 2 ..I take 2

    china:nooo...play fair and show some sign of "mutual cooperation" and "respect" and give me 3 biscuits.

    others:But then I will be 1 biscuit short to call it an equal split.

    china:Its "nothing"..I don't care for your concern.but look at the brighter side..we will have "PEACE", prosperity , development.We will put a media circus(tents are always ready with the PLA) and tell everyone we had "consensus".

    Others: If you take too much from us its not called "fair" there wont be peace..its hegemony that you are showing.

    China:Oh!! dont call it that way...we asked you nicely for 3 biscuits out of 4 you are having and thats "EQUAL" and "Fair"..You are hampering our peaceful rise..you thug!!

    others:What? Thug!! There you go!!!

    china:Oh.okay..we take it that you are giving us "Alarms" and "threats" where we could have settled it all peacefully our way without any regards for your concerns or affairs.

    others::facepalm: (thinking: 5 year olds are more logical than these idiots)

     
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    Japan, US Courting India To Corner China, Says Chinese Daily

    China should not feel cornered by a raft of geopolitical moves by the US and Japan against it by forging closer ties with India, Russia and others in the region and Beijing should focus on becoming a strong economic and military power, a state-run daily said today. Taking note of the just inked Indo-US logistics agreement, an editorial in the Global Times titled ‘Geopolitical games shouldn’t divert China’ said that some American media outlets were erroneously depicting the deal as signals of India leaning towards the US alliance system.

    The editorial said that Japan Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was planning to prioritize economic cooperation with Russia, despite the lack of progress in their long-standing territorial dispute over the Kuril Islands chain, which stretches from the Japanese island of Hokkaido to the southern tip of Russia’s Kamchatka peninsula. “This can be seen as a significant change in Japan’s policy toward Russia. Abe is also reportedly going to attend the Eastern Economic Forum scheduled to be held in Russia’s Far Eastern city of Vladivostok where he will meet Russian President Vladimir Putin,” it said.

    “The leaders of the two states are expected to work on eight economic cooperation plans,” it said, adding Japan’s moves can easily be viewed as imposing geopolitical pressure on China through improving ties with Russia. “To China’s south, US President Barack Obama will head to Laos for the East Asia Summit, after attending the G20 summit to be held in China’s eastern city of Hangzhou over the weekend. He will be the first incumbent US president to visit Laos, and this has been interpreted as his last efforts to address his pivot to the Asia-Pacific strategy before he leaves office,” it said.

    “China seems to be positioned in the center of the geopolitical manoeuvres by the US and Japan. But Beijing should not let its attention be led by the two. “Geopolitics in the 21st century is not like the traditional game where every piece aims to encircle the others,” it said. “China has just become a real major power. China needs to develop modern national defence, and at the same time keep long-term economic vitality and expand its vision,” it said. The Chinese military should become so strong that we can withstand any external military pressure, the state-run paper, known for its strong nationalist views, said.

    The Chinese economy should retain its momentum of long-term prosperity that will surpass that of the US, it said. “This is the primary task for China, and we should not let our attention be diverted by the clamorous geopolitical rivalry in the Asia-Pacific,” it added.
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    :scared2::scared2:

    Didnt these chinese fools said just 24 hours back that INDIA US PARTNERSHIP is Very "NORMAL"
     
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    China says India not our biggest threat, haven't deployed stealth fighter J-20 in Tibet

    China has not deployed its new J-20 stealth fighter in Tibet - or anywhere else in the country - as it is still undergoing trials, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) website said.

    Suggesting that media reports jumped the gun about its deployment based on an unverified photograph of the fighter, the PLA said that the Tibetan plateau was an unlikely site for its first deployment as its airports weren't even ready to accommodate the fifth-generation fighter, which is still undergoing trials and has not been deployed anywhere else in China.

    A photograph supposedly showing the fighter at the Daocheng Yading airport, which was shared on social media websites but not verified, had led to media reports suggesting the J-20 had been deployed in Tibet.

    PLA CLARIFYING IS QUITE UNUSUAL

    The Yading airport is located in Sichuan province, not in the Tibet Autonomous Region but in a prefecture bordering the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR). It is China's highest airport.

    Much of the PLA's air force deployments aimed at India are located in five civilian and military airports in the TAR.


    The PLA has unusually sought to publicly deny the reports, rather than leave strategic experts guessing as it has been done in the past.:crazy:


    The report on its website said the media reports claiming the move could be a warning or tit-for-tat for the BrahMos missile being deployed in Arunachal Pradesh had jumped the gun.


    The PLA's official newspaper had itself warned India about the BrahMos deployment.:rofl:


    INDIA-CHINA BORDER NOT IDEAL FOR J-20

    "It is said that J-20 will be put into service soon but the China-India border is apparently not the ideal place for its deployment. In addition, the world's highest airport there does not have a complete set of supporting facilities and such shortage will impede the function of J-20," said a report published on a website of the PLA, China Military Online, which usually carries officially-sanctioned reports and statements.

    "J-20 will not be deployed in Daocheng Yading airport as the airport is too close to the border, and it is vulnerable to India's first wave hit. If India is to deploy BrahMos missile on the China-India border, then the Daocheng Yading airport will likely to become its target," the report suggested.

    It added that if the J-20 had indeed been sighted at the airport, "it may turn out to be a high altitude performance test to accumulate test data and experience for operations in plateau areas".

    China's Su-27 and J-10 fighters had already "solved problems of high-altitude operations", the report said, requiring longer runways and higher landing speeds.

    Chinese experts say the stealth fighter, which is still undergoing trials, is more likely to be deployed first in the plains rather than on the plateau to begin with. Reports say the fighter may only be combat ready by 2019 at the earliest.

    'INDIA NOT YET THE BIGGEST THREAT FOR CHINA'

    While pooh-poohing the report, the PLA website couldn't resist a dig at India.

    Despite China's massive infrastructure developments in Tibet, the report claimed India had been more aggressive on its border deployments, including C-130 transport planes from the US and Heron unmanned aerial vehicles, not to mention the BrahMos.

    At the same time, it concluded, "India is not yet the biggest threat for China and though confrontation events along the border would occur from time to time, the overall situation is rather stable. In this way, China does not

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/china-india-stealth-fighter-j-20-tibet/1/759013.html

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    Its chinese downplaying its FEAR!!:scared2:
    Secondly..its very interesting to see china actually confirm that "its training" than letting the world GUESS about its intentions with India.

    The moral of the story is:
    Take bold steps and not just chinese everyone understands..
     
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    We’re Not Capable of Stopping North Korea’s Nuclear Tests: China

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    by Shyam Balasubramanian



    • China is not capable of stopping North Korea from conducting nuclear tests, Beijing has said.
    • Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson blamed US for Pyongyang's need to test nuclear weapons.
    • If US and South Korean behavior remains the same, another test is not far away, says Chinese government paper.
    Beijing sought to deflect the pressure that the US has been ramping up on it over North Korea’s nuclear tests on Monday, saying China does not have the ability to make Pyongyang give up its nuclear weapons program. It also said a sixth North Korean nuclear test may not be far away if the US continued to behave the way it has in recent times.


    NEW DELHI: Beijing sought to deflect the pressure that the US has been ramping up on it over North Korea's nuclear tests on Monday, saying China does not have the ability to make Pyongyang give up its nuclear weapons program. It also said a sixth North Korean nuclear test may not be far away if the US continued to behave the way it has in recent times.


    Statements by a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson and government-run media sought to blame the US for giving North Korea the drive to develop nuclear weapons. The statements have come in response to US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter's comments that it was China's responsibility to reverse the nuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.


    The aim of Carter's remarks seems to be a bid to escalate pressure on Beijing to exercise influence over North Korea, considering China is Pyongyang's economic lifeline.

    The US government-run Radio Free Asia had reported recently that North Korea was awash with Chinese investments. Chinese media reports have also said trade with China amounts to about 70 per cent of North Korea's entire trade. Other reports have said these trade links render economic sanctions on North Korea ineffective.


    However, China seems to be in mood to bend to this round of pressure from the US.

    "Whoever started the trouble should end it," declared Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying, effectively blaming the US for Pyongyang's aggressive world view. "I think the US should go over the process of the development of the nuclear issue and earnestly work on a tangible and effective resolution," she added.


    Chinese media predictably toed the government line, saying the US+ had pushed Pyongyang into conducting its fifth nuclear test+ by deploying the Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) advanced missile defence system. Chinese media have for weeks targeted the THAAD deployment as intended to pressure China, but have now blamed it for North Korea's actions.

    "The US has never thought of solving North Korea's nuclear issue, as it would be too complicated for it," read an editorial in the Chinese government-run Global Times.


    "China is not capable of persuading North Korea to give up nuclear development, because China's efforts are not supported by the others. Washington has been refusing to sign a peace treaty with Pyongyang," it added.


    The paper also characterized the issue as one that was between Pyongyang on one side and the 'Washington-Seoul' alliance on the other. "For years, the US has contributed little to easing the situation in the Korean Peninsula. The Americans have given no consideration to the origin and the evolution of North Korea's nuclear issue or the negative role Washington has been playing over the years," it said.


    "South Korea has been brainwashed by such American-style mentality and believes that if China imposes heavier sanctions on North Korea, the latter's nuclear issue could be addressed. Seoul has also strengthened military pressure against its northern neighbor relentlessly. If the two engage in such tit-for-tat menace, North Korea's sixth nuclear test may not be far," the editorial declared.


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