Chinese firm wins Turkey's missile defense system tender

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A NATO country selling weapons to Russia is not the same as China selling weapons to a NATO country. I hope you can see the difference.
NATO block is having major border disputes with the Russians not with the Chinese . This deal is like NATO is approaching the Chinese in different way and trying to sideline Russians .
 

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NATO block is having major border disputes with the Russians not with the Chinese . This deal is like NATO is approaching the Chinese in different way and trying to sideline Russians .
NATO block has no border dispute with Russia. NATO is not a single entity.

NATO sees China as a threat.

This deal has nothing to do with sidelining the Russians. It was Turkeys decision, not NATOs.
 

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NATO block has no border dispute with Russia. NATO is not a single entity.
NATO block is having many disputes with Russia .. first is linked to gas supplies then dispute in Arctic , then in Transnistria , then in Baltics , time to time air violations etc.

NATO sees China as a threat.
If you see carefully EU is engaging with BRICS countries seperately economically where as NATO weapons are being sold to India to upset China and Pakistan etc .


This deal has nothing to do with sidelining the Russians. It was Turkeys decision, not NATOs.
Turkey is the second largest member of NATO and if Turkey moves out of NATO alliance , then it would be the biggest blow to the NATO alliance . Russia did provided S 300 to Greece to upset NATO alliance and is even giving credit lines to Cyprus, Serbia because of which EU is not happy .

Turkey buying from Chinese is a big blow to the Russians
 

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Turkey buying from Chinese is a big blow to the Russians
NATO would have been irked so long as Turkey buys from non-NATO of missile defence sys.. In this regard Russia and China are on the equal footing.

In the end Turkey may perhaps be succumbed to NATO pressure not to firm the order on Chinese HQ-9 ( FD-2000 for export version), but it's already very symbolic of Chinese military-industrial enterprises get closer to NATO

According to some analysts, succeed or not, China's military-industrial enterprises' closer approach to the NATO countries is in itself a very "prominent advertising".

"The eventual cancellation of the guided missile agreement is still a success to China," the Reuters made such judgment. Despite the U.S.'s and the NATO's threat to break the agreement, Turkey's wish to purchase guided missiles from China is already a major breakthrough for China, a country which has always wished to become a supplier country of advanced weapons. For the first time, China has defeated arms manufacturers from the U.S., Russia and Western Europe and won over advanced weapon purchase order from a NATO member country.

As stated by Oliver, researcher of China's arms exports from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI): "If the deal is eventually carried out, it shall bear special significance and become a mile-stone agreement". According to his article, Turkey may probably give up the agreement under pressure, but some Chinese and foreign commentators believe that it is still a symbolic victory to China. Turkey's original willingness to choose "HQ-9" has shown the rapid progress and advancement in China's guided-missile and aerospace technologies as well as its greatly improved competitiveness. This has also indicated that while the military-industrial enterprises of China are expanding the export of such common weapons as small arms, cannons, armored vehicles, and so on, they are becoming suppliers of high-end weapons with reasonable prices.

The Russian daily Kommersant quoted the statement made by Lamanov from the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences (PAH) on October 6 that this contract is the best advertising for the Chinese military-industrial enterprise in its debut in the arms market of NATO countries.

Professor Zhang Zhaozhong from the National Defense University (NDU) of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) expressed in an interview that this deal is by no means a small business to Turkey because it determines whether Turkey dares or not to take the risk of going against the grain and breaking up with NATO. To China, this isn't a small incident either. If it goes successfully, it shall exert demonstration effects on other countries.

Zhang continued that according to the resolution made by EU to ban the arms sale to China, sales of weapons to China by NATO countries are subject to restrictions. On the other hand, there are no similar regulations on Chin's sale of arms to NATO countries. To begin with, it never occurred to them that any country might have the need to purchase weapons from China. That's why NATO and the U.S. are so aggressively responding by suppressing "purchases of weapons from any of NATO's opponents". This also explains the fact that China still faces a lot of obstacles imposed by the West in the process of its dealing with the world. However, as long as it doesn't break the law, China can seek expansion and work hard to make breakthrough.
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In the past few years, Turkey was at odds with NATO in the case of sharing its defense secrets with Israel, particularly after Ankara agreed to host the alliance's key radar system in Malatya. Despite Turkey's strong opposition, Washington said they will share the defense intelligence with Israel.

The capability to produce its own missile defense system seems to be Turkey's only solution in keeping its military secrets out of Israel's hands and the Chinese defense firm is offering this golden opportunity.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...-s-role-in-Turkey-s-Chinese-missile-deal.html

There'd be other potential buyers in the queque esp. after this demo.
 

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Turkey PM defends Chinese missile choice but says deal not final


The Turkish prime minister on Wednesday defended a controversial decision to enter talks with China to buy Turkey's first long-range anti-missile system, but said no deal had yet been finalised.

Ankara's announcement last month that it was launching discussions with the China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corporation (CPMIEC) for the deal -- worth $4 billion (2.9 billion euros), according to Turkish media -- irritated Turkey's allies in NATO, particularly the United States.

But Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told journalists that "for the moment, China is offering the best conditions" -- including meeting Turkey's demand to produce the missiles jointly.

He said talks are ongoing between Turkish and Chinese authorities and that he would make a "final decision" together with his defence minister and army chief of staff.

He did not give a date for the decision.

CPMIEC, which makes the HQ-9 missile system, beat out competition from a US partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, Russia's Rosoboronexport, and Italian-French consortium Eurosam.

The Chinese company has been hit by a series of US sanctions over the past decade, accused of selling arms and missile technology to Iran and Pakistan.

The United States said it had "serious concerns" about its key regional ally's decision to go with CPMIEC, and NATO -- of which Turkey is a member -- said it wanted a say in the final decision because the alliance's missile systems must be compatible with each other.

Erdogan dismissed NATO's concern, saying "member countries routinely have Russian arms and equipment in their inventories".

"No one has the right to intervene in (Turkey's) independent decisions," he said.

Turkey launched the tender for 12 missile batteries in 2009. It had previously defended the choice of CPMIEC saying the Chinese company had offered the best price.

Turkey PM defends Chinese missile choice but says deal not final
 

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NATO would have been irked so long as Turkey buys from non-NATO of missile defence sys.. In this regard Russia and China are on the equal footing.
NATO countries were irked when the Russians supplied S 300 to Greece and then French sold Mistral to Russia . Now with this Turkish deal , there would be a mechanism which would prohibit any NATO member countries from selling arms to non NATO member countries .



In the end Turkey may perhaps be succumbed to NATO pressure not to firm the order on Chinese HQ-9 ( FD-2000 for export version), but it's already very symbolic of Chinese military-industrial enterprises get closer to NATO
Turkey for sure would be forced to give up this deal .
 

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whatever the final is ,it will be a good advertisement to CHinese weapons
 

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The selection of the system from China is based on political reasons rather than on merit... The Turkish PM has something else up his sleeve...
 

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The selection of the system from China is based on political reasons rather than on merit... The Turkish PM has something else up his sleeve...
Maybe you are right, but Chinese air defence system must meet the least requirements, that is a must.

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Maybe you are right, but Chinese air defence system must meet the least requirements, that is a must.

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The term "merit" does not mean that Chinese system does not meet the acceptance criteria and requirements... Infect all participants eligible have to meets the basic criteria, the food for thought are why did Turkey selected specifically China say from 5 eligible systems ? Turkish PM wants to send out a political message for an intention for a bargain for something else"¦
 

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The term "merit" does not mean that Chinese system does not meet the acceptance criteria and requirements... Infect all participants eligible have to meets the basic criteria, the food for thought are why did Turkey selected specifically China say from 5 eligible systems ? Turkish PM wants to send out a political message for an intention for a bargain for something else"¦
well, whether HQ9 will win the bid or not, CHInese defence industry will be the winner.
 

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Turkey Open to New Bids for Anti-Missile System


Turkey said Saturday it was open to new bids in its plan to acquire its first long-range anti-missile system, should its controversial negotiations with China come to nothing

"It is not a finalized deal yet. If US and European companies make us better offers, we will continue to talk with them," said Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who was quoted by Turkish newspapers.

Last month, in a move that irritated Turkey's allies in NATO, particularly the United States, Ankara announced it was entering talks with the China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corporation (CPMIEC) to buy a long-range anti-missile system.

The US said it had "serious concerns" about the deal estimated at $4 billion (2.9 billion euros). Over the past decade the US has hit the Chinese company with a series of sanctions for selling arms and missile technology to Iran and Syria.

CPMIEC, which makes the HQ-9 missile system, beat out competition from a US partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, Russia's Rosoboronexport, and Italian-French consortium Eurosam.

Davutoglu said Turkey had ruled out the Russian company but not the other two. "If offers more suitable for us are formulated, our relevant authorities will evaluate them," the minister added.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday defended the decision to enter into talks with China. "Nobody has the right to intervene in (Turkey's) independent decisions," he said.

Turkey Open to New Bids for Anti-Missile System
 

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UPDATE 3-Turkey eyes deal with China on missile defence despite NATO concern

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/article/idUSL5N0VT2KV20150219?irpc=932

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By Tulay Karadeniz

ANKARA, Feb 19 (Reuters) - Turkey's defence minister said on Thursday the country does not plan to integrate a new missile defence system with NATO infrastructure and officials said a $3.4 billion deal with China was still under consideration.

NATO member Turkey chose China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp as a preferred bidder in 2013, prompting U.S. and Western concern about security and the compatibility of the weaponry with NATO systems.

Defence Minister Ismet Yilmaz, in a written response to a parliamentary question, indicated Ankara planned to go ahead with the Chinese system, saying the evaluation of bids had been completed and no new offers received.

"The system in question will be integrated with the national system for Turkey's defence and will be used without integrating with NATO," Yilmaz said.

However, other government officials later made clear that did not mean a final decision had yet been reached.

"We are continuing discussions with all the bidders," the undersecretariat for defence industries said in a statement.

U.S. and NATO officials are unhappy with Turkey's choice of the China Precision Machinery, which has been under U.S. sanctions for selling items to Iran, Syria or North Korea that are banned under U.S. laws to curb the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Eurosam, which is owned by Franco-Italian missile maker MBDA and France's Thales, came second in the tender. U.S.-listed Raytheon Co also put in an offer with its Patriot missile defense system, which is now operated by 13 countries around the world.

Tim Glaeser, vice president with Raytheon's Integrated Defense Systems business, said that Turkey had recently asked for additional clarifications about Raytheon's proposal.

"It's our understanding that they are continuing to evaluate proposals from the French and the United States," Glaeser said. "There's renewed interest. We're still in the game." (Additional reporting by Orhan Coskun and Humeyra Pamuk, and Andrea Shalal in Washington; Writing by Daren Butler; Editing by David Dolan, Angus MacSwan and Lisa Shumaker)





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