Chinese firm wins Turkey's missile defense system tender

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    Chinese firm wins Turkey's missile defense system tender | Reuters

    The Turkish defense minister announced the decision in a statement.

    Turkey, which is a member of the NATO military alliance, has no long-range missile defense system of its own, but NATO has deployed the U.S.-built Patriot air and missile defense system there since 2012.

    The winning Chinese FD-2000 system beat out the U.S. Patriot, Russian S-400, and French-Italian Eurosam Samp-T to win the contract.

    Raytheon Co (RTN.N), which builds the Patriot missile system, said it had been informed about the Turkish decision and hoped to get a briefing soon. It said there were 200 Patriot units deployed in 12 countries, including Turkey.

    "NATO has long supported the system, deploying Patriot in five aligned countries and, in 2012, providing a requested Patriot deployment to Turkey. Given this strong performance, we hope to have an opportunity to debrief and learn more about this decision," Raytheon spokesman Mike Doble said.

    Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz's statement also said a contract to produce six corvette ships by Koc Holding (KCHOL.IS), Turkey's biggest conglomerate, had been cancelled.

    A contract to build two ships would be awarded to the Turkish naval shipyard. The construction of four remaining ships will be put out to tender later, Yilmaz said.

    Koc Holding was recently accused of backing the 1997 military overthrow of Turkey's first Islamist-led government, sending the firm's shares tumbling on fears of a deepening vendetta against the country's secular business elite.

    The Turkish government launched a probe into the taxes of Koc energy firms in July, weeks after criticizing one of the family's hotels for sheltering protesters during anti-government unrest that rocked several cities over the summer.

    (Writing by Ece Toksabay; Additional reporting by Andrea Shalal-Esa in Washington; Editing by David Evans and Paul Simao)
     
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    Chinese firm wins Turkey's missile defense system tender | Reuters

    4 billion $ !

    (Reuters) - Turkey on Thursday chose a Chinese defense firm CPMIEC to co-produce a $4 billion long-range air and missile defense system, rejecting rival bids from Russian, U.S. and European firms.

    The Turkish defense minister announced the decision in a statement.

    Turkey, which is a member of the NATO military alliance, has no long-range missile defense system of its own, but NATO has deployed the U.S.-built Patriot air and missile defense system there since 2012.

    The winning Chinese FD-2000 system beat out the U.S. Patriot, Russian S-400, and French-Italian Eurosam Samp-T to win the contract.

    Raytheon Co (RTN.N), which builds the Patriot missile system, said it had been informed about the Turkish decision and hoped to get a briefing soon. It said there were 200 Patriot units deployed in 12 countries, including Turkey.

    "NATO has long supported the system, deploying Patriot in five aligned countries and, in 2012, providing a requested Patriot deployment to Turkey. Given this strong performance, we hope to have an opportunity to debrief and learn more about this decision," Raytheon spokesman Mike Doble said.

    Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz's statement also said a contract to produce six corvette ships by Koc Holding (KCHOL.IS), Turkey's biggest conglomerate, had been cancelled.

    A contract to build two ships would be awarded to the Turkish naval shipyard. The construction of four remaining ships will be put out to tender later, Yilmaz said.

    Koc Holding was recently accused of backing the 1997 military overthrow of Turkey's first Islamist-led government, sending the firm's shares tumbling on fears of a deepening vendetta against the country's secular business elite.

    The Turkish government launched a probe into the taxes of Koc energy firms in July, weeks after criticizing one of the family's hotels for sheltering protesters during anti-government unrest that rocked several cities over the summer.

    (Writing by Ece Toksabay; Additional reporting by Andrea Shalal-Esa in Washington; Editing by David Evans and Paul Simao)
     
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    Chinese Firm Wins Big Turkish Air-Defense Deal

    Chinese Firm Wins Big Turkish Air-Defense Deal | Defense News | defensenews.com

    The T-Loramids will be based on China's HQ-9 air defense system. As one analyst puts it:

    China Air and Naval Power

    Seems the bidding process was a good acid test for the HQ-9.
     
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    What a downgrade for Turkey
     
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    Re: Chinese Firm Wins Big Turkish Air-Defense Deal

    We have Americans to thank for making this happen!

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    Re: Chinese Firm Wins Big Turkish Air-Defense Deal

    Oh god thanks for the Chinese AD systems near Israel ..shall I say CIA/MOSSAD lobbied Turkey forced to Buy Chinese Products ..In futre It is clear the IDF can fly over Turkish Air Space in case of Any conflict without losing any of it's Fighter by Ground fire
     
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    Or the Americans have the Turks to thank for the opportunity to closely analyze Chinese missile defense tech... :thumb:
     
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    Don't be too negative. Good things always come out from even the most seemingly abject situations. I just hope that the Chinese deliver to the Turks the same missile defense tech in their front line service... :thumb:
     
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    Turkey venting her frustrations with NATO / EU by acquiring Chinese defence system? Sweet!

    Also not to forget Turkey is the only NATO member who had joint exercise with PLAAF.

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    The question is why has the PLA allowed this to happen? They can't be that naive!
     
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    NATO warns Turkey against buying Chinese, Russian air defense systems

    NATO may avoid sharing ballistic missiles intelligence with Turkey if the nation decides to buy Chinese or Russian systems for its missile defense program

    Ankara would have to operate without NATO’s intelligence information on incoming ballistic missiles if it chooses to buy Chinese or Russian systems for its national air and missile defense program, officials of the Western alliance have warned Turkey.

    Participating in the ongoing competition to win Turkey’s national air and missile contract are the U.S. partnership between Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, with their Patriot air defense systems; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the S300; China’s CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp.), offering its HQ-9; and the Italian-French Eurosam, maker of the SAMP/T Aster 30. Turkey is planning to make its selection late this year or early next year.
    Many Western officials and experts say that since the Russian and the Chinese systems are not compatible with NATO systems, their potential eventual victory might provide them with access to classified NATO information, and as a result may compromise NATO’s procedures.

    But despite this criticism, Turkey so far has ruled against expelling the Chinese and Russian options, saying there is no need to exclude them from the Turkish competition.

    One Western expert countered that “if, say, the Chinese win the competition, their systems will be in interaction, directly or indirectly, with NATO’s intelligence systems, and this may lead to the leak of critical NATO information to the Chinese, albeit inadvertently. So this is dangerous.”

    “NATO won’t let that happen,” another Western official told the Hürriyet Daily News on Monday. “If the Chinese or the Russians win the Turkish contest, their systems will have to work separately. They won’t be linked to NATO information systems.”

    This was the first time NATO has strongly urged Turkey against choosing the non-Western systems.
    “One explanation is that Turkey itself doesn’t plan to [ultimately] select the Chinese or Russian alternatives, but still is retaining them among their options to put pressure on the Americans and the Europeans to [lower] their prices,” the Western expert said.

    Turkey’s long-range air and missile defense systems program (T-Loramids) has been designed to counter both enemy aircraft and missiles.

    NATO missile shield
    Turkey’s national program is totally separate and independent from NATO’s own plans to design, develop and build its own collective missile shield.

    The Western alliance decided during a leaders’ summit meeting in Lisbon in November last year to create the collective missile shield against potential incoming ballistic missiles from rogue countries. Ankara agreed to the decision only after the alliance accepted a Turkish request that Iran or other countries would not be specifically mentioned as potential sources of threats.

    NATO now is seeking to deploy a special X-band radar in Turkish territory for the early detection of missiles launched from the region.

    Senior U.S. and Turkish officials discussed the matter in mid-July in Istanbul on the sidelines of a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and both sides reported progress toward an eventual deployment of the X-band radar on Turkish soil.

    Ideally, in the event of a launch of a ballistic missile from a rogue state, it would be detected by the X-band radar, and U.S.-made SM-3 interceptors – based on U.S. Aegis destroyers to be deployed in the eastern Mediterranean and later possibly in Romania – would then be fired to hit the incoming missile mid-flight.


    ECONOMY - NATO warns Turkey against buying Chinese, Russian air defense systems
     
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    Agree with you. Also the sale ought to be viewed under the following:

    - Turkey is a Islamic nation
    - Turkey is only Islamic nation in European Union region.
    - Iraq policies by NATO towards Turkey
    - Turkey relationship with Pakistan (and it's relationship PRC)
    - The dialogue between western powers and Shia nations.
    - The re-balance of Shia and Sunni in Western power equation.
    - Turkey usefulness being eroded by regional developments.
    - Turkey playing PRC of against NATO.
    - Saudi Arabia PRC scud missiles (double standards)
    - corruption
    - the weapons being the best available and with the least strings attach
    - Turkey military industrial complex confident it can survive.
     
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    All I know is that Turkey is an Emperor with new clothes (or without it) without NATO. It can't even do anything decisive against Syria on its own.
     
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    Good luck to Turkey!

    Now the Americans can inspect the stuff and appreciate how far in technology China has reached in missile defence!
     
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    Re: Chinese Firm Wins Big Turkish Air-Defense Deal

    And the Chinese have the Turks to thank for the opportunity to closely analyze NATO C4ISR systems.

    This cuts both ways.
     
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    You think they will allow you?
     

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