Chinese experts explain why India and Russia jointly develop FGFA

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    Russia has announced its priorities for the export of arms where India is the key priority. Currently, Russia and India are jointly developing the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). Recently, the Indian Air Force reported the plans to purchase more than 200 FGFA fighters.



    On October 8, the Indian Air Force organized an exhibition and demonstration flights at the base near New Delhi to celebrate the 79th anniversary of the national Air Force. It was announced that the Air Force would buy 214 FGFAs, including 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat models. The twin-seat fighters will be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).



    Chang Hu, the editor of a military magazine, and his colleague were invited to the studio of the Chinese television CCTV. They answered a number of questions.


    What is the FGFA fighter?

    It should be a fighter developed in line with the highest world standards. India’s technological base is very weak, therefore Russia would do the bulk of this work. Russia has already developed a prototype aircraft (the T-50 project), which is undergoing flight tests.



    Then why can’t Russia sell these fighters to India? Why do they need this joint development?

    In fact, the T-50 is still under development. Russia showed the fighter at the MAKS 2011 air show. It was clear that the aircraft’s design is "rough" with a lot of seams and joints. India’s participation can cover a significant share of funding for this project. Currently, India has to make the choice between the two European fighters - Typhoon or Rafale – to buy 126 fighters for the Air Force. Given the difficult economic situation in Europe, India can succeed in "extorting" technologies. For example, these aircrafts have very good avionics and India can become a "consolidator" of European and Russian technologies in the FGFA project.



    According to the Indian Air Force, the country hopes to get this fighter as early as 2017, that is, it would take only six years to develop it.

    In fact, the entire technological platform of this aircraft will be developed in Russia. However, the T-50 is rather a technology demonstrator and it will take a lot of time to get the real fighter. The Russian Air Force reported this fighter would be adopted in 2015, which is hard to believe. Moreover, if the Indian Air Force gets this fighter in 2017 then India can adopt it even faster that the Russian Air Force. Probably, India will be the second test site for the T-50.



    It is known that the USA does not export the F-22, then why does Russia allow another country access to the latest technologies?

    I think the first reason is that India poses no threat to Russia. Second, this aircraft’s design is still far from the desired level. The T-50 has on-board equipment but a lot has still to be created, for example, a digital data bus similar to the American 1553B. Russia lags behind in this area but France can share a similar technology with India if the Rafale fighter wins the tender.

    So, India can consolidate the French and Russian military technologies in the new fighter. India has a special way of military thinking – it wants to get ready-made products not bothering to develop new ones.



    But India will again be dependent on foreign technology ...

    I think the participation in the development of modern aircraft would be useful for India since the country needs designing experience. The FGFA project is a rare opportunity to gain experience in this field.



    So, can India become the owner of the latest technology?

    Yes. It will be a big step forward. India will be one of the few countries in the world with its own fifth-generation fighter.



    If all goes as planned, can India surpass the US in the number of heavy fifth-generation fighters?

    That’s true.



    How will this factor affect the situation in the Asia-Pacific?

    India has approved the 11th five-year plan, during which 214 fifth-generation fighters must be adopted. In fact, everything depends on the Indian Air Force funding.



    But this period is too short to produce so many fighters.

    That’s right.



    Another question. Today, India can purchase military systems from Western countries including the United States. But Russian weapons still account for 70% of India’s military arsenal. Why does India continue to prefer Russian weapons?

    First, it is because of the relative cheapness of Russian military hardware and equipment. Second, Russia is willing to transfer much more technology than Western countries. India uses this situation to diversify arms purchases thus achieving greater independence in the sources of weapons. For example, India buys the C-130 and C-17 transport aircraft in the United States.

    Chinese experts explain why India and Russia jointly develop FGFA | Russia & India Report
     
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  3. Galaxy

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    :india: :russia: relation is strong, Time-tested and reliable.

    They give more and take less vis-a-vis U.S.


    U.S. is not trustworthy and still friend of terrorist country. ;)
     
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    A very unbias article. I'm telling you guys. US is freaking wide open to it and EU is desperate..... Scrap PAK-FA, as you can read its not going to be technological advanced 5th gen with european packages added. The indian govt can get maybe 30% involvement ( 5 % more than russian deal) and almost the same deal from the US on F35. and you will have the same advantages expressed in the article for your industries and get a more advanced aircraft.

    and! not have to deal with Russian delays, price hikes, supply chain issues, shoddy products, high maintainence issues
     
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    I can give you very long reply with complete reasons why Russia is far better than U.S. for us but since, you are not interested to listen and keep starting new thread on baseless crap. Nothing to say more. I am really tired of your useless and usual crap.

    I have serious doubt whether you are Indo-American or American.
    :rolleyes:




     
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    Lol...So a Chinese "expert" says that Pak-Fa is not 5th Gen(as opposed to J-20, I presume) and you suddenly want us to scrap the deal, the 35 billion dollar investment notwithstanding.

    Oh and btw, he says FGFA IS 5th Gen.


    That's debatable.
     
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    The fact that package will need european one is not a made up one! - Its known that the most advanced packages come from europe and not russia. and no $35 billion has been spent... checks have not be written!

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/201998/indian-armys-russian-smerch-rocket.html
    Indian Army's NEW Russian Smerch rocket launchers facing hitches
     
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    And F-35 has its share of problems as well,

    New F-35 Wing Problem Surfaces: Exclusive

    Then bring forward a source for it.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    Why stop at that ?

    Lets beg usa to colonize us and be our masters.
     
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    So you want India to back off from a major deal just because you have a hunch that Pak-Fa are not good jets?
    The article on the Huffington post is dated September 1 2011.

    The link you mentioned does not prove anything and anyways India was not offered partnership on the JSF project in the first place they have offered to sell them to us for our navy and are gonna probably over price it.
     
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    Ahhhh - so China is now a credible source for Indo-Russian ventures? The same Chinese who claim that their fighters are "developed indigenously" and are as advanced as Russian or western aircraft?

    LOL ...
     
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    well now , you are even aware that they been offred India to be JSF partner.

    this is not a hunch , a hunch is PAk-FA will be any good. F35 can be tested and all tests data is offered to India by the US
     
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    NO indian military is--- how many times have they complained its crap, delays, hikes in prices and supply chain issues? are you not aware of this?

    HELL Indian Army's NEW Russian Smerch rocket launchers facing hitches ( the deal India signed like 6 years ago... is a fucked up product given to India ) http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...ch-rocket.html
     
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    Read again.
    They have offered us their planes not a stake in the program or ToT.........lol.
     
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    are you hell bent on looking naive? it's old known fact they invited India to be a partner!

    “Should India indicate interest in the JSF, the United States would be prepared to provide information on the JSF and its requirements,” including on security and infrastructure, the Defense Department said yesterday in a congressionally mandated report on U.S.-India security cooperation

    JSF is partnership program. F35 is the aircraft model

    US offers India partnership in development of Joint Strike Fighter
    US offers India partnership in development of Joint Strike Fighter - Economic Times

    US keen on developing new weapons with India
    http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-sh...eveloping-new-weapons-with-india/20111102.htm

    You can't develop if you dont share TOT. and india will get the same TOT that NATO gets. It's not like russia is advanced enough to provide it. Take AESA , US had it a decade ago or more , it only started sharing it with NATO and Russia is yet to have one... so what's the gripe ? you don't give up on the greatest and go to above average- because US won't give the fantastic.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    you are naive yourself.

    and will we get the source code ? answer in yes or no
     
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    Take cover, Another Desi Redneck attack!:rolleyes:
     
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    why dont you stick to issuing " are we going to be slaves , huh uuh" topics. you would not know a source from TOT if it came and slapped that cigar out of your mouth...
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    I was under the impression that you knew his avatar is a picture of Che and not himself. Or are you one of the average American kids who looks clueless when asked to point out America on the globe because he thought the world was flat?
     
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    Its better to look naive than stupid.
    I quoted the links you provide earlier and by quoting some new links if you intend to prove my naivety then frankly you don't really make a point.
    Also, the "it is a known fact..." crap may work in a Puki forum not here.

    The post that you are referring to I mentioned and quoted
    So, instead of trying to piss off people try to cool your head off and post in a coherent fashion, maybe then people would take you seriously.
     
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