Chinese Communist Party targets dissident representative

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    Chinese lawyers warn Communist Party will target legal teams

    Chinese lawyers setting up mutual defence pacts as Communist Party targets dissidents' representatives

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    Liu Chunxia, a supporter of Xu Zhiyong, is detained by policemen outside the court where the trial is being held

    As the Communist party wages its most intense campaign against free speech in years, there are fears it will now attack the lawyers who dare to defend dissidents.

    Lawyers across China who specialise either in human rights cases or in unpicking judicial abuses said they now fear being disbarred or even criminally prosecuted.

    "There is definitely something going on. Lots of lawyers have made pacts so that if they get into trouble, someone else will represent them. I have made agreements with 20 lawyers in case of an emergency," said Chi Susheng, a lawyer from Northern China who regularly takes on controversial cases.

    Several lawyers said the Communist party has lost patience with having its will challenged in court.

    Over the past week, lawyers helped to thwart the trials of seven activists belonging to the New Citizens' Movement by advising their clients to fire them in court and trigger a retrial.

    On Monday, a judge in Beijing threatened to report one lawyers, Chen Jiangang, to the Judicial Bureau after his client used the tactic.

    "This type of behaviour, which hinders the government, will be cracked down on," said Chen Guangwu, a lawyer who is defending the prominent southern activist Guo Feixiong. Mr Chen said contacts inside the legal system had warned him to tread carefully during the first half of this year.

    In recent years, the number of lawyers willing to take on human rights cases has swelled dramatically.

    "Since last September roughly 200 lawyers have joined a group identifying themselves as human rights lawyers," said Tang Jitian, a lawyer who was himself disbarred in 2010 after walking out of a court in protest.

    "Lots of us have been questioned by the Justice bureau and by law associations. One lawyer in Xinjiang, Gan Weidong, was questioned by the police and has had to leave the group and stop practising."

    This emerging group of lawyers has also begun to coordinate and press for reform, much to the consternation of the Party.

    Last October, an open letter to the Justice ministry calling for the reinstatement of 38 disbarred lawyers was signed by hundreds of lawyers. However, those who signed were quickly warned to stop organising themselves into a movement.

    "After I signed I got calls from the police and from the Justice ministry warning me not to hype the letter or draw attention to it. Other lawyers were also warned. But I signed because I had been personally harassed because of the cases I took on and I felt lawyers should stand up for themselves," said Xie Yanyi.

    "This kind of organised letter will definitely attract the attention of the government," said another lawyer, Zhang Keke. "I got a lot of calls from the police and Justice officials who told me not to sign anything like this again. But what we are doing is legal and rational." Regional Justice bureaus often put pressure on law firms to suspend or dismiss any lawyers who take on sensitive cases. Without formal employment, lawyers can then be denied a license to practice. "This is the usual way in which they intimidate us," said Wang Quanping, a lawyer in Guangdong who has recently been suspended. "So many other lawyers are in the same position as me".

    Human rights lawyers have become a vital pillar of support for Chinese activists, and are also now coordinating over the internet to offer each other solidarity.

    "These human rights lawyers are increasingly willing to identify themselves as such and are pretty important in what is emerging as a political opposition," said Eva Pils, an associate professor of the law faculty of the Chinese university of Hong Kong.

    "I have not quite seen this before, in the sense of a criminal prosecution against a whole group of them presumably on the grounds of being in support of a movement.

    "One human rights lawyer told me he had a kind of premonition that they are going to clamp down in the first half of this year," she added. "But it will not be a decision made lightly, it will be a decision made at a high level because it has a large cost."

    In the past, lawyers who have tried the same tactics seen during the trials of New Citizens' Movement members - either remaining silent or withdrawing from representing their clients - have been punished by the Justice Bureau for not behaving professionally.

    However, Wang Xing, a lawyer defending another New Citizens' Movement member said the authorities should "reflect on why the defendants are taking such extreme measures" rather than on the behaviour of the lawyers involved.

    In the one New Citizens' Movement trial that did proceed on Monday, police confiscated the mobile phones of the lawyers involved so that they could not be contacted.

    Chinese lawyers warn Communist Party will target legal teams - Telegraph

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    That nothing is beyond the monitoring, doctoring, intimidation and arrest of the Chinese Communist Govt is not a new phenomenon.

    The so called opening up of the Chinese Society is another sham and doublespeak of which China is a past master is once again becoming evident.

    The muzzling further of a controlled society that dispense justice arbitrarily is not really extraordinary.

    What a suffocating atmosphere that prevails in China, that only those in the Free World can understand.
     
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    PredictablyMalicious Punjabi Senior Member

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    I don't know why so many Chinese brag about China. No normal person want to live in a repressive communist country, regardless of its wealth or growth rate. There is something to be said about the importance of freedom, autonomy, and the political life. These are the things that make life worth living. For a starving person, China is probably better than India, but for a middle class or upper class person, India is most certainly preferable.
     
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    From you words, we can see:

    In Indian, those middle class or upper class person (20% -30% of the population) don't care the rest of they countryman.
    For those 80% of people, the most important human right is the right to alive.
     
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    Starving of freedom is a greater pain since it causes malnutrition of the mind!

    What is the beauty that is in life, walking through it as a zombie and a slave?
     
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    coming out of a person who is having a full stomach and never understand the pain of starvation?

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    Freedom of mind is the real freedom. A person whose mind is not free though he may not be in chains, is a slave, not a free man. One whose mind is not free, though he may not be in prison, is a prisoner and not a free man. One whose mind is not free though alive, is no better than dead. Freedom of mind is the proof of one's existence.
     
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    Not before you can survive from Starving.


    BTW, China is 3rd most visited country in the world, Any tourist said they see Chinese like zombie and a slave?

    Also, Chinese travel all over the world every year, and spend the most. can you say starving of freedom?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Tourism_rankings
     
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    Not really.

    In our training, we have to go without meals for days!

    I know what it is all about being hungry and starving, to include not getting water!
     
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    You are not aware the benefits of going without food.

    It is a part of the religious rituals that even many well to do and affluent Indians practice.

    True, tourists visit China, but then they are not allowed everywhere; unlike in other countries, to include India, where you can go anywhere.

    Chinese travelling abraod? Forgot the 'Minders' who are also along with them?

    Of course zombies, since you all parrot what you are told to say and when you want some freedom as in Weibo, it is suffocated to only have posts that are inoffensive.

    Check the thread on weibo!

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/china/58232-chinas-weibo-suffocates-dies.html
     
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    Millions of Chinese travelling off seas every year, we know much more outside world than Indians.
    World Tourism rankings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Did any people say those Chinese tourists are like zombies?
     
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    Teenager becomes first person arrested under China's new anti-gossip law

    A 16-year-old pupil at a school in west China has become the first person arrested under the country's draconian new anti-gossip law.


    Last week, China's Supreme Court warned that anyone spreading a rumour on the internet faces three years in prison if more than 5,000 people see it, or if it gets reposted more than 500 times.

    "Society has demanded serious punishment for […] using the internet to spread rumours and defame people," said Sun Jungong, the court spokesman. "No country would consider libel to be 'freedom of speech'," he added.

    The new measure was widely criticised as an expansion of the police state onto the internet, which until now has been censored far less stringently than the traditional media. Critics warned that the law gives government officials another tool to arrest their opponents and that it would spread fear over the web.

    "I am really scared now that any whistleblowing might lead to an arrest," said Zhou Ze, a rights lawyer with more than 165,000 followers on Sina Weibo, the Chinese version of Twitter. "We all have to talk less, and more carefully," he added, to Reuters.

    However the first person to fall foul of the law was not an activist or a whistleblower, but an outspoken teenager.

    His identity has not been disclosed, but the Beijing Times quoted a man, named Yang, saying police took away his 16-year-old son on Tuesday on charges of "picking quarrels and provoking troubles".

    According to a statement from the county government in Zhangjiachuan, Gansu province, the boy questioned a police investigation that concluded a local karaoke bar manager had committed suicide by jumping from a building.

    The boy said the man had been beaten up after a quarrel and accused the police of failing to investigate fully. His accusation quickly went viral, provoking the wrath of the local government.

    Teenager becomes first person arrested under China's new anti-gossip law - Telegraph

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    You call this freedom?

    Where you cannot express your views or what is causing you distress of the way the govt acts.

    The Govt controls your mind and what you can say and you call that Freedom?

    You are starved of freedom and you are starved of mental mobility.

    That is how zombies are made and how zombies become zombies!
     
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    really? then try being hungry, starving and thirsty like what you did in the training for the coming year, after that we can talk about which has greater pain.

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    I have shown you how you all are zombies, where you cannot express your opinion and it is controlled by the State.

    Check the thread on Weibo here to know more.

    Going abroad is not knowing about where you go. That is - Been There, Done that to show off back home.

    Educating yourself is what makes going abroad important and not merely buying goods and visiting popular tourist sites.

    All the Chinese do is SHOP and that is hardly educating oneself!

     
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    That is only your way to define "zombies".
     
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    Hungry, starving, thirsty is heavenly when compared to mind and brains being shackled to kowtow to mindless idiots of a Communist Party that uses its population to get rich and powerful themselves, and one cannot protest about that or change them for a better lot!

    But how will you understand that?

    Godless people genetically modified to think kowtowing to human Gods and burning joss sticks to them is what is Religion, instead of kowtowing to the Buddha and burning joss sticks at the Big Bell/ Da Zhong/Jue Sheng Temple.
     
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    That hardly negates that the Chinese Govt control the Chinese mind as to what they can think, or talk or say and what they cannot!

    Zombie (Haitian Creole: zonbi) is an animated corpse raised by magical means, such as witchcraft.

    The Communist witchcraft has taken control over your resurrected souls, body and mind!
     
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    During Chinese spring festival, visiting relatives is job everyone has to do. To show the hospitality, the hosts always treat the guests with delicious and extravagant food, which always features high protein materials such as chicken, pork, fish, beef, etc. In my childhood, spring festival was my favourite holiday, mainly because of food i was going to eat. However, an interesting phenomenon is happenning in recent years, dishes like pork, fish are no longer the most favored courses in a meal. On the contrary, vegetables become an indispensable feature in a family reunion dinner, all of the guests say that they want a bite of green. And it's true, after the guests have finished, we may see plates full of untouched beef, pork andfish, but the vegetable plate is always empty.

    It almost fools me to believe that people are changing their diet habits until i imagine what a family reunion dinner is gonna like without beef, fish and chicken if we only serve vegetable, because I had a childhood when vegetable made up most of my dishes. To be honest, life back then was not that pleasant, neither did the vegetable taste as it does today.

    to be continued..

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    i never doubt their sincerity when they say they wanted to have some vegetable, because green food tastes great after you eating too much meat, just like i believe that Ray is sincere when he speaks of the good of starvation.

    However, one must wonder, do people still appreciate the good of starvation when starvation is the exact life they live every single day just like hundreds of millions of Indians?

    for people like Ray, a high ranking military general who doesnt have to worry about his next meal, or instead may be more concerned with his diabetes caused by obesity and really could use someone starvation to ease his illness, starvation is like taking a casual climb in the mountains, the process is hard, but the view on top is good.

    but for the other majority people, who live their whole life starved, who are tortured relentlessly by hunger, starvation is not a short term military training, it's the real monster, it's the worst nightmare they are struggling to get rid of.

    do you know who always preach about taking the money lightly? the rich guy!

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    Believe it or not, I am disease free. And I have not yet reached obesity, which I don't think I will since I have a very frugal meal and do moderate exercise. Again, it might surprise you I have fried rice with some meats and vegetables thrown in or the same with noodles and my lunch is a measured Indian lunch. I do not eat when invited since I am not too sure what oil they may use and in what quantity.

    Starving to you, but fasting to me.

    Good to know the heavy Chinese chaps are going in for vegetables, but remember to eat organic. Else, repeatedly wash the vegetable to remove a much of chemical pesticides and fertilisers that the farmer may have used to have a bountiful crop.

    Another thing that you may like to note, is that the body adjust to the food habits and the food intake, include starvation. Because of my military training, I find the eating what a Chinese would call a 'hearty meal' would make me sick.

    One must eat that much as one's body requires and not be a glutton/ gourmand and instead should be a discerning gourmet!
     
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    A glimpse of the Chinese gourmands.


    Chubby Chinese chucks chunks of chicken, cock, pork and beef and then thank their thungumibob of vegetables, they claim to have changed to, maybe to only ape the West!

    Keeping up with the Joneses, so to say! ;)
     

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