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I do not know what you are talking here. I ask if all chinese weapon are junk as you claimed, why you India need to spend billion and billion dollar to import your 'so-called' advanced weapon'? understand me? Keep relaxing and spending money somewhere (Do not worry China because all their stuff are junk, right).because they are cheap but at the same time poor in quality. We have stop buying them, since shopkeepers are unable to guarantee of Chines product after it left the shop.
why are you guys so desperate to compete with us at every level!your CM-400 AKG is nothing but the old YJ-82 anti-ship missile in a new avatar and its speed is not mach-5.5,its only mach 0.9!it attains the maximum mach 5.5 speed only in the terminal phase(even our short range tactical ballistic missile Prahaar also attains speed in excess of mach 5 in the terminal phase as its average speed is mach 2.03) where as the Brahmos basically covers its entire trajectory at a speed of mach 2.8-3.0 and the most important fact is that its a cruise missile!so its a complete b.s. that this missile is a hypersonic one as at present no country is capable of developing a hypersonic cruise missile(btw we are co-developing Brahmos-2 hypersonic version with Russia which will be operational at around 2017-18) not even the U.S.actually Brahmos is in its own class as there is no existing supersonic cruise missile in the present world market.You are desperate and mislead people by posting wrongful information
Correct me if I am wrong, but how can you adjust trajectory of a ballistic missile in the midcourse? I don't think that is possible. Another thing, since the missile is being inducted by PAF, its range is probably around 100 km since the new backbone of PAF, JF17 has a radar range of only 130-150 kmDamn it, waste three pages for mouth fights and no one but P2P understood how this missile works.
It's not a cruise missile like Brahmos or anything subsonic world widely used, all of them travel meters higher above sea in terminal stage.
It's an air-launched ballistic missile, umm..., with very short range and doesn't go out of atmosphere.
The missile will be launched when the fighter is climbing, so there is an initial speed for its climb.
Once it is launched, the engine will help it climbing as high as and as far as possible and then dash to its target.
Thanks to the g force, the terminal speed might reach 5 mach.
Control system on it will help the adujstment of trajectory in midcourse.
Correction:Correct me if I am wrong, but how can you adjust trajectory of a ballistic missile in the midcourse? I don't think that is possible. Another thing, since the missile is being inducted by PAF, its range is probably around 100 km since the new backbone of PAF, JF17 has a radar range of only 130-150 km
Only cruise missiles use navigational systems similar to GPS. Ballistic missiles always use radar for targetting. If you don't agree, can you please tell what is a difference between a cruise missile and a ballistic missile.Correction:
1. it is a fire and forget, it has Beidou positioning system to guide it and other seekers to enhance precision, launching platform only increases its speed and range.
2. JF17 has a radar range more than 150 KM, but actually it does not matter if it has radar or not.
Only cruise missiles use navigational systems similar to GPS. Ballistic missiles always use radar for targetting. If you don't agree, can you please tell what is a difference between a cruise missile and a ballistic missile.
Jf 17 blk 1 has a radar range of 130 km for a fighter sized target whereas blk II has a range of 150 km. Everyone knows it. If you disagree, post a source .
its only a gps, anything big enough to fit a iphone can use GPS. GPS can be integrate into any system.Only cruise missiles use navigational systems similar to GPS. Ballistic missiles always use radar for targetting. If you don't agree, can you please tell what is a difference between a cruise missile and a ballistic missile.
Yes, ballistic missiles use the radar for targetting, but of the platform, not of their own. Google it yourself.Eh? you got lost in your own statement didn't you, if as you said, which is not true, Ballistics missiles always use radar for targeting, how is it related to JF17's radar then? do you know the radar range of CM400? As I said before, it is a fire and forget, platform don't guide it. and CM400 is a rocket engine powered missile, it use GPS to target object.
please google KLJ10 and ZDK-03, but that again, does not matter. the missile is NOT guided by platform.
The above is from wiki page of ballistic missiles.A ballistic missile is a missile that follows a sub-orbital ballistic flightpath with the objective of delivering one or more warheads to a predetermined target. The missile is only guided during the relatively brief initial powered phase of flight and its course is subsequently governed by the laws of orbital mechanics and ballistics. To date, ballistic missiles have been propelled during powered flight by chemical rocket engines of various types
Such corrections are only possible in US patriot level systems. Not chinese knock off of older missiles.midcourse correction can be done, tailfan(if its SRBM/MRBM)/boaster on the side. this is not the hardpart, the hard part is target acquire during terminal phase. also guidance system only limited by the size of missile tip, if the there is enough room, you can put anything there. but it sill require external guidance for target location during initial-midcourse.
china has send man to orbit, midcourse correction is not impossible, afterall both commercial/military rocket are similar. midcourse correction is not a diffcult task. if a hypersonic cruise missile can adjust its course, so can a BM, all you need is GPS guidance, and fins, its simple concept done since invention of rocket.Such corrections are only possible in US patriot level systems. Not chinese knock off of older missiles.
Please again read the definition of ballistic missiles. It is not a question of whether GPS can be put there or not. These missiles are just very very fast to effectively change their course midflight. That's the reason cruise missiles always have lower speed than ballistic missiles. It is difficult to change course at higher speeds.
But that wasn't not the contending point. The main point was, can this missile hit a target 240 km away if it is launched from a jet whose radar's range is 150 km?
Pray tell me, which hypersonic cruise missile are you talking about. There are none in the world as of today. If it was so easy as you say, then mid course correction would be possible in every ballistic missile on the planet, but we don't see that, do we? Also, look at what the other guy said. He claimed that the missile was fire and forget. Even if mid course was possible(which is not), it wouldn't make the missile fire and forget.china has send man to orbit, midcourse correction is not impossible, afterall both commercial/military rocket are similar. midcourse correction is not a diffcult task. if a hypersonic cruise missile can adjust its course, so can a BM, all you need is GPS guidance, and fins, its simple concept done since invention of rocket.
during mid course, the missile only has speed of mach3-4, its the terminal stage that is more diffcult to guide toward the target. midcourse last anywhere from 10-20mins, enough time for the missile to change few degree and guide the warhead to a general direction. terminal guidance has to be very precise and in real time, which is the diffcult part.
as far as the anti-ship cruise missile that china developed, its unlikely the missile will be fire at its max range, usually fire much closer for better accuracy.
Good article. However, it also points out that such an ASBM is a work of future and will mostly probably be in the form of long range, ground launched missiles. The current missile we are talking about is a short range, air launched missile. So, in all probability the current missile does not feature mid course correction. However it will be interesting to see China developing a new class of missiles.It depends on what target you want to hit. If you are aiming at a stationary target, it is not required to use mid course correction. However if you want to hit a moving target, in this case a ship or air craft carrier, then you must have mid course correction. Because they are moving targets, by the time your missile left, they
are already moving towards somewhere else.
The Jamestown Foundation: Chinese ASBM Development: Knowns and Unknowns
Making an ASBM Work
Chinese schematic diagrams show an ASBM flight trajectory with mid-course and terminal guidance [4]. Second stage control fins would be critical to steering the ASBM through terminal maneuvers to evade countermeasures and home in on a moving target. This makes an ASBM different from most ballistic missiles, which have a fixed trajectory.