Chinese and Indian military experience

[sayareakd]

17km range arty can be easily targeted by 152/122mm on other side..

Kunal that gun is on BMP that means fire and run, plus with multiple round simultaneous impact, yeah counter attack by 152/122 is dangerous but something is better then nothing at chines border.

 

[Rage]

it is not wise that you pay no attention to the Lee-enfield rifles used by Indian arm force while you pay so attention to the the old stock of PLA arms.

You're so funny you make me laugh. Perhaps, I should put some pictures of Chinese village peasant 'enforcers' or the rural police and try to pass them off as the PLA / Chinese Army.

Besides, some of those pictures are close to five years old. And those Lee Enfield rifles, are in cities like Mumbai, quickly becoming a thing of the past.

FYI, this is what the Mumbai police looks like now:

http://www.indiatimes.com/picture-s...ibute-to-26/11-victims/photostory/6993076.cms

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Kunal that gun is on BMP that means fire and run, plus with multiple round simultaneous impact, yeah counter attack by 152/122 is dangerous but something is better then nothing at chines border.

I know its SPG, But IA don't see that way..
For IA 105 SP don't value much as its range is below 20kms, DRDO should have worked with M46 SP variant..

Besides its not a automatic, but manual which means it need 5-10min for setup and another 10mins to load and run..
WLR can detect enemy fire in less than a sec and counter arty can react within 5mins..

DRDO Spg don't have chance in front of 122/152 enemy arty with WLRs..

 

[sayareakd]

kunal check this



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look at optional 2.

 

[Rage]

I was debating with my friend about a full scale war with China. He said India can't defeat china in the war. i said India can definitely give china a big headache as our soldiers are more experienced in battling in mountaineer areas. We have fought three wars against pakistan army in mountaineer areas so our soldiers know how to fight in tough areas of himalaya. Our Navy is also more experienced compared to PLAN as we have fought war against pakistan in 1971 and used our navy during Tsunami....He was not agree as he said that China has large quantity of military hardware + china doesn't disclose about his future military hardwares and expenditures on it. I said many of chinese military hardwares are outdated and our navy is far better than China's plan when it comes to quality.

i want you to share your knowledge / opinion, guys. Can we defeat china if a full scale war takes a place.

Let's not be stupid. Given the present state of our artillery, we probably could not.

Heavy lift capabilities will only go so far. What they need to do is minimize the disparity in border infrastructure in the area. The Chinese have been smart. They've built first, then militarized. We've militarized first, and then are starting to build. Perhaps, that is a product of our individual historical experiences from the 1962 border skirmish.

I think the Indian Army is very different from the Indian Army of 1962 however. There is a lot more tactical experience, command centrism and sophisticated equipment.

Let's not also ignore the geo-political situation. If China can use Pakistan to needle India, so can India use its allies in the West. Today, we have different allies and a wholly different geo-political alignment.

I can tell you, though, that there has been a 568% increase in the money allotted to border roads construction along the Indo-China sector in 2009-10. So it seems like somebody's kicked them in the @$$ and gotten them to wake up.

Artillery will however remain our primary concern. Also, improving the supplier-consumer distribution between the Army's suppliers and itself, both making it more modernized and efficient, to hold out for a long war, will come a distant second.

 

[sayareakd]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Here a quick comparision between PLA & IA Infantry!

Here a quick comparison between PLA & IA Infantry!

A QUICK LOOK AT INDIAN ARMY REGULAR INFANTRY

HELMET: Indian Army usually use Tin Bucket, they provide good protection from stones and small shrapnel, But useless against bullets..

BP: Indian Army use BP, Capable of stopping AK bullets..

Training: Jungle/hi-altitude/CT are optional, Hand to hand combat is average, Marksman ship is a priority, Indian Solider are very practical..

Martial Arts: Average..

RIFLE:

Insas rifle is based on traditional degin, It fires 5.56 ss109 bullets which have extended range to 500m, It can shred a BP of Lev3 at ranges over 200m, the rifle feed by 22rnd mag, its semi and burst, Their are accessories for the rifle like laser, Scopes, UBGL, Bayonet..

LMG:

Insas LMG is semi and fully auto, It fires the same 5.56mm ss109 rounds at ranges over 400m, Its feed by a 30rnds Mag..

40MM Multiple Grenade Launcher

It Provide High rate of fire and ability to handle ranges beyond the reach of hand grenades and rifle grenades, Can be used in a pinpoint role at range up to 150 meters. This weapon is very common in IA..

ROCKET LAUNCHER!

The Carl Gustaf (also Carl-Gustaf and M2CG; pronounced "Carl Gustav") is the common name for the 84 mm man-portable multi-role recoilless rifle, The Carl Gustaf can be used to attack larger stationary targets at up to 700 m, but the relatively slow speed of the projectile restricts attacks on moving targets to a range of 400 m or less. Rate of fire: 6 rounds per minute. Sights: Iron sights; optical 3x; laser rangefinder; image intensification system.

SNIPER RIFLE..

The Dragunov sniper rifle (formally Russian: Снайперская винтовка Драгунова, Snayperskaya Vintovka Dragunova (SVD), literally "Dragunov's sniper rifle") is a semi-automatic sniper rifle chambered in 7.62x54mmR,The rifle features mechanically adjustable backup iron sights with a sliding tangent rear sight (the sight can be adjusted to a maximum range of 1,200 m). The iron sights can be used with or without the standard issue optical sight in place. The PSO-1 sight enables targets to be engaged at ranges upwards of 1,300 m; effective ranges in combat situations have been stated at between 600 to 1,300 m, depending on the nature of the target (point or area target) quality of ammunition and skill of the shooter.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Here a quick comparision between PLA & IA Infantry!

Here a quick comparision between PLA & IA Infantry!

A QUICK LOOK AT PLA REGULAR INFANTRY

HELMET: Kevlar, capable of stopping 9mm..

BP: NO! ( Only PLA sf use BP )

Training: Jungle/Hi-altitude/Marine are optional, PLA solider are good at hand to hand combat, their moral is always high even when situation become against them..

Martial arts: Good..

RIFLE:

The new QBZ-95G Is a bullpup deign, ease-of-use issues, and has improved ergonomics, "G" fires the 5.8x42mm round, with a heavier longer barrel and a redesigned muzzle break. also has added the Picatinny rail as a supplement. But the rifle iron sights are poor compare to Insas, Rifle got a 30rnd mag, It semi and full auto..

LMG

It's in the same respect as the QBZ-95 Rifle with modified longer and heavier barrel, higher firing rate, heavier cartridge and is equipped with larger 75-round drum magazine.

Rocket Launcher..

The FHJ 84 is an over/under twin-barreled 64mm incendiary rocket launcher, It range is short but effective when in range i.e 400m..

SNIPER RIFLE:

The QBU-88 rifle (also sometimes referred to as Type 88 rifle) was the first weapon of the newest generation of Chinese small arms, chambered for proprietary 5.8 x 42 mm ammunition. Adopted in the late 1980s, the QBU-88 is, by the modern sense, not a true sniper rifle - it is more of designated marksman rifle, intended for aimed semi-automatic fire at ranges beyond the capabilities of standard infantry assault rifles. The rifle is intended for rough military use, so it is fitted with adjustable iron sights by default, and is generally equipped with telescopic sights or with night sights.Effective range 800 m.

 

[ALBY]

its an incomplete list of indian arsenal coz patkas ,aks mmgs gone missing....from the comparison it is clear that PLA infantry is ahead of IA except in case of body armour and rocketlaunchers...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

its an incomplete list of indian arsenal coz patkas ,aks mmgs gone missing....from the comparison it is clear that PLA infantry is ahead of IA except in case of body armour and rocketlaunchers...

These are all main weapons of Infantry..
Btw, We have a good Sniper rifle too, Which makes HAVE BP, good Sniper Rifles, Good RLs, And MGL..

And Also we have bigger mortars than PLA..

 

[sayareakd]

KUNAL chines assault rifle with 5.8x42mm bullet is meant to kill, unlike outs 5.56 mm which meat to injure enemy. BTW 5.8 mm is chosen so that US soldiers dont use the 5.56 bullet of chines when they attack mainland china this is why they went for 5.8.

 

[bikashm73]

Guys all of you needs to remember the scenario of KARGIL Conflict. The enemy was in such a good advantage stage (in height, well equiped, well positioned), Indian Army was supposed to climb first then to fight with them. Do you realize how much courage is required for that? Result? All of you know. So the question is experience and will power. Number doesn't matter to win a war. Our Officers and Jawans are very very able to give the teeth to CHINIS. Don't worry we are the best. Now the question of modernisation of our force. Yes that's a matter of worry. We need to reshuffle the system. The BABUS at Min of Def takes 5 to 10 long years to clear a procurement file and till then the item becomes old and our forces chiefs compelled to accept the old one because BABUS are final authority. We need a fast track system. But still I am confident these thing does not affect the moral, will and courage of our brave soldiers.