Chinese Airlines banned from EU if they don't pay Carbon Tax

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  1. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Top China airlines to ignore EU carbon tax, body says

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    China's biggest airlines will not pay a new European Union tax aimed at cutting carbon emissions, their trade body has said.

    On 1 January, the EU brought airlines under its Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), which levies a charge on flights based on their carbon emissions. Chai Haibo of the China Air Transport Association said that its members would not co-operate with the ETS.
    However, the EU said it would not back down if the airlines refused to comply.

    DisputeThe China Air Transport Association (CATA) represents companies including Air China, China Southern Airlines, China Eastern Airlines and Hainan Airlines.

    Airlines which do not comply with the new EU tax can be fined and even prohibited from flying into the region.
    Last year, it was claimed the plan could cost Chinese airlines 95m euros ($124m, £79m) in extra annual costs.

    BBC News - Top China airlines to ignore EU carbon tax, body says
     
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  3. kickok1975

    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    Europe sucks. Not only China, but the whole world against this so called “carbon tax”. This is a welfare continent with mountain high debt and some of the most complacent people in the world. Instead of hypocrite,Europe should focus on fixing its problem no longer live on debt year after year to sink world together with them.
     
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    HeinzGud Senior Member Senior Member

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    No fair Chinese dude......... they do concern about the environment. Don't you know that EU people buy cars by checking it's carbon foot print. There fore be more nature friendly and support the EU effort!
     
  5. trackwhack

    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    Whats stopping China from implementing a similar tax. It should nullify the effect. There are more European Airlines that operate in China than Chinese airlines that operate in Europe.
     
  6. kickok1975

    kickok1975 Stars and Ambassadors Stars and Ambassadors

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    It has nothing to do with emission, the planes are there and emission is there. Who can afford replace all his fleet with Boeing 787? It's just an unilateral way for Europe to grab cash from pockets of rest of the world.
     
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  7. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Every Euro airline has to comply with the same regulations. If you want to reverse the tax, fly more efficient aircraft. You can actually get credits in surplus and sell them to other airlines. Should help speed up purchases of A320NEO and 737MAX.
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    Kickok, I see what you are saying but my point is that others come up with their own framework. The Europeans have set a standard, China can set a standard that even the 787 or the latest airbuses cannot clear. Only tit for tat works with these mongrels.

    The truth emerges, the tax is to maintain Airbus and Boeing dominance, now that its being threatened by Emerging market aircraft makers. :)
     
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  9. RedDragon

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    Let's see if there are any real actions. And perhaps some tit for tat will happen.
     
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  11. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    If it was to maintain Boeing dominance then the US wouldn't be complaining.
     
  12. RedDragon

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    I really don't think EU can get that money.
     
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    Nailed it :)
     
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    Lets Hope the whole world follows the same way collecting $$ for the sake of the environment!! :p
     
  15. Ray

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    Well, if one has to fly their aircraft to Europe, then they will have to pay.

    They can get away with it since a whole lot of passengers and airlines fly to Europe and the US.

    The traffic is not that heavy elsewhere in the world.
     
  16. LTE-TDD

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    China, India Mount Opposition Against EU Aviation Carbon Curbs

    The European Union faced increased pressure to scale down its plan to impose carbon curbs on airlines after China’s carriers said they won’t comply with the rules and India signaled it may attempt to scupper the EU plan.
    Europe should either scrap or delay its initiative to include flights to and from the region’s airports in its emissions trading system as of this year, according to the ChinaAir Transport Association, or CATA. India may ask airlines to withhold emissions data, a civil aviation ministry official said, a move that would undermine the first expansion of the EU carbon cap-and-trade program beyond its borders.
    “What we need to do now is co-operate together and pressure them to scrap this,” Chai Haibo, vice secretary general of Beijing-based CATA, said in a phone interview. Members of the association include Air China Ltd., China Southern Airlines Co. and China Eastern Airlines Corp.
    The warnings by China and India follow a declaration adopted in November by the United Nations’ International Civil Aviation Organization calling on the EU to exempt international aircraft operators from its curbs on carbon. The non-binding ICAO statement was supported by 26 countries, including the U.S., Russia and Japan, who said that the expansion of the EU program was inconsistent with international law.
    The EU, which wants to lead the global fight againstclimate change, decided that aviation should become a part of its carbon program after airline discharges in Europe doubled over two decades and international organizations failed to enact emission curbs.
    [h=2]European Limits[/h]Started in 2005, the European emissions trading system, known also as the EU ETS, imposes pollution quotas on more than 11,000 utilities and manufacturers. Emitters that produce less carbon dioxide than their quota can sell surplus allowances, and those exceeding their limits must buy additional permits or pay a fine of 100 euros per ton of CO2.
    The European Commission, the 27-nation bloc’s regulatory arm, has repeatedly said that while its preferred choice is a worldwide solution to cut greenhouse gases from aviation, it won’t give up the expansion of the ETS to cover airlines. The EU law offers a possibility of exempting incoming flights from a particular country if that nation implements equivalent measures to cut pollution from its air transport sector.
    EU law envisages penalties in case an operator doesn’t comply with the rules and foresees the possibility of imposing an operating ban on an airline if it persistently fails to meet its legal obligations, said Isaac Valero-Ladron, climate spokesman for the commission.
    “We hope, however, that this very last resort will never need to be applied,” he said today by e-mail.
    [h=2]‘Actions Are Unilateral’[/h]“Europe’s actions are unilateral,” Chai said. “Measures to tackle emission control should be decided as an industry globally, and not just by one party alone. It’s not right for one party to insist on charges.”
    The Indian government hasn’t yet decided whether to proceed with the plan because of concerns about the possible impact on transportation, said the civil aviation ministry official, who declined to be identified because the discussions are private. Carriers aren’t required to provide environmental information under the bilateral pacts with EU members that govern India-Europe flight rights, he said.
    P.K. Mohanty, a spokesman at the civil aviation ministry, declined to comment. Only three Indian carriers, state-owned Air India Ltd., Jet Airways (India) Ltd. (JETIN), the nation’s biggest, andKingfisher Airlines Ltd. (KAIR) operate services to Europe.
    The EU Court of Justice on Dec. 21 ruled that international airlines must comply with the EU carbon limits in a lawsuit filed by United Continental Holdings Inc. (UAL), AMR Corp. (AMR)’s American Airlines and the Air Transport Association of America.
    U.S. Prohibition
    The ruling followed a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives in November prohibiting the country’s airlines from participating in the ETS after the industry estimated that participation in the system would cost U.S. airlines $3.1 billion from 2012 to 2020. The measure needs backing from the Senate and President Barack Obama to become law.
    Last month, the U.S. Department of Transportation asked U.S. carriers to provide information on the impact of the ETS.
    International carriers will be given emission permits making up 85 percent of the industry cap in 2012 and will have to buy the remaining 15 percent at auction. EU permits for delivery in December rose 1.1 percent to 6.67 euros as of 11:56 a.m. on the ICE Futures Europe exchange in London, down 55 percent from a year ago.
    To contact Bloomberg News staff for this story: Karthikeyan Sundaram in New Delhi at [email protected]; Ewa Krukowska in Brussels at [email protected]; Liza Lin in Shanghai at [email protected]
    To contact the editors responsible for this story: Neil Denslow at [email protected]; Stephen Voss at [email protected]
     
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    This is a bad development for global trade and a form of blackmail.
     
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  18. redragon

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    Lazy ass european lost ability to rob money from other countries, their days have passed, so they have to play dirty trick to grab any little money they can, pathetic.

    They don't deserve their standard of living, when it come lower, you will see a total chaos. Not to mention, the whites will soon to be minority.
     
  19. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    We have the right to protect our air quality. It is hard for you to understand when you live in this...

     
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    But this may hurt EU tourism as this is bound to jack up airline prices.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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