Chinese aircraft carrier ready for sea trials

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  1. jatkshatriya

    jatkshatriya Regular Member

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    The Chinese State Owned agency has reported that the Chinese Aircraft carrier is ready for sea-trials.The agency has also released photographs of the carrier which at present is called Varyag.A full fledged deployment of a Chinese carrier battle group would be a major strategic change in the maritime scenario. It is a 32000 ton warship with a length of around 1000 feet and is originally a russian Kuznetsov class ship.The aircraft carrier will most likely operate the J-11 naval fighter.


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  3. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    32000t huh? It is a 45000t ship... Love to see it being pushed around by tugs.
     
  4. jatkshatriya

    jatkshatriya Regular Member

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    Well...the Chinese news agency says its 32k tns , hell 32k or 45k..it is still a leap in PLANs capabilities
     
  5. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Well... I guess it would weigh 32k tns without engines and boilers. :pound:
     
  6. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    This just begs the question why did we not toe the Vikramaditya from Russia and just repair it in our ship yards!! The Chinese did it quicker and i bet much cheaper!
     
  7. jatkshatriya

    jatkshatriya Regular Member

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    Our docks had to take up extensive work i.e. the construction of IACs...may be that is why we didnt tow it
     
  8. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    When we bought this peace of trash we did not have any IAC plans. This trash was first gifted by Russia and then they charged us later.. Russia has lost all respect after this episode.
     
  9. jatkshatriya

    jatkshatriya Regular Member

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    No i guess we had plans for IACs work on which had not yet started.....any which ways....if IAc and Gorksky are inducted back to back then our navys capabilities will be enhanced alot
     
  10. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    To bad all Gorsky needs to sink is a floating mound of tin cans to puncher its hull and send it down to the bottom. Did you know it had an major fire on board before they send it to the docks? Thats what i called a real fire and forget ship.
     
  11. Parthy

    Parthy Air Warrior Senior Member

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    Chinese Varyag Aircraft Carrier Due to Sail Soon


    After nearly nine years of refurbishing work, the ex-Russian aircraft carrier Shilang will soon be carrying out her sea trials for the Chinese Navy. Originally built in a Ukrainian shipyard as a member of the Project 1143.5 class named Varyag, the carrier was purchased as a derelict hulk in 1998 for about $20 million. The carrier is now named in honor of the Qing Dynasty admiral who conquered what is now known as Taiwan in 1681. There probably is a message in that.

    The entry to service of the Shilang will mark a major change in the operational profile of the Chinese People's Liberation Forces Navy. This profile will take some time to mature, because Chinese pilots have no experience taking off from and landing aircraft on carriers and will require several years of at-sea experience before they become fully capable of routine operations. However, one carrier does not make for a convincing capability, so it is unlikely the Shilang will be the last of her kind.

    This is where a mystery creeps in. The designation for the reconstruction work on the Shilang is Project 089. In 2008, the Chinese purchased four sets of arrester equipment as used on the Project 1143.5 carriers Varyag and Kuznetsov. One set was installed on the Shilang, the second on the Wuhan "carrier in the cornfield" test facility. The third and fourth sets appear to have been assigned to two additional Project 089 ships, on which first metal has already been cut.

    The problem is that a second designation for a Chinese carrier program, Project 085, has appeared and is associated with the reconstruction of the Varyag. The most likely rationale for the designation is that the Chinese see the ski-jump-equipped Project 089 class ships as being an interim solution aimed as much at gaining experience in the construction of aircraft carriers and developing expertise in their operations as providing a full organic aircraft capability. A catapult-equipped version of the design may well be seen as the preferred operational solution.

    The original Project 1143.5 design was actually intended to have catapults, but the Russian catapult development effort was a failure, and the switch to a ski-jump was a last-minute accommodation of this abortive development. So, provided the Chinese can succeed where the Russians failed and develop an effective catapult, there should be no great problem in modifying the Project 1143.5 design back to catapult configuration. This could well be Project 085.


    Read more: http://www.defencetalk.com/chinese-varyag-aircraft-carrier-due-to-sail-soon-33636/#ixzz1KA3FhcXp


    Read more: http://www.defencetalk.com/chinese-varyag-aircraft-carrier-due-to-sail-soon-33636/#ixzz1KA2szNwg
     
  12. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    India will have to spend 2 decades setting up necessary big shipyards and upstream supplying-chains,before India toe Vikramaditya from Russia and repair it in its own shipyards.
     
  13. pmaitra

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    Thanks. Very insightful indeed.

    Yes, it is true that India will need to have a good ship-building infrastructure and supply chain to be able to refurbish such huge vessels and get them up and ready in a couple of years. Now, to be able to build a brand new carrier from scratch within 5 years, will need enormous infrastructure.
     
  14. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    India already has the shipyards, it can build them from scratch. Chinese supply-chain is called Ukraine and Russia. :pound:
     
  15. gogbot

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    Let me put it to you this way , originally we should had the carrier in our navy by now.
    Toeing the carrier to I India would have taken many months , which would have caused delays . Which was exactly what we wanted to avoid.
    Also Toeing the carrier is risky business , any thing could have gone wrong along the way.
    On top of all this the Carrier was originally a gift to India , however we would have to buy Russian Planes and Repair that carrier at Russian Shipyards as a compromise.

    In the end the project was delayed any way , The Russian ended up charging us more than 100% extra on the price. Defeating the purpose of doing the work in Russia to begin with. While In the meantime , new shipyards have come up here in India , and in hindsight anyone can agree that bringing the ship here would have been better.
     
  16. redragon

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    Great post, I think it's very easy for anyone to find out what you are indicating: gov of India is incompetent, they can't see anything in a time frame longer than 1 yr.
     
  17. gogbot

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    Is GoI incompetent ?
    Yes , with countless examples

    Do see GoI as completely to blame for whats happened with the Vikramaditya ?
    no so much.

    In hindsight its easy to criticize , MoD is blame for getting itself into this situation in the first place, it should have been more cautious and ran it's own inspection and study's.
    How we got to this point is through very bad professional practice form Russia , they wanted to milk The MoD for all its got and they pretty much succeeded.

    No one could have predicted thing's would turn out this way , certainly not GoI , from their perspective Russia was gifting them a carrier , so that their beleaguered ship building could get a welcome boost form retrofiring an aircraft Carrier.

    However between then and now , India has opened its private sector up considerable , as a result we have had Plenty of investment over the last few years , new facilites such as ship years have come up , defense expenditure has also increase allowing for ships such as the IAC .

    Simply put no one knew about all these changes were going to take place when the deal was negotiated.

    On a plus side India will soon never have to buy another major foreign ship again , with most ships being built on site in India.
     
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  18. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    ^^ It isn't India's fault Russia tried to fleece GoI. It is GoI's fault they decided to pay the fleece. The price was so high because Commodore Singh had loose lips in more ways than one.
     
  19. Parthy

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    New Chinese Ship-Based Fighter Progresses

    Beijing is revealing pictures of its Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark design that is intended to populate the decks of its first aircraft carrier.

    The J-15 is based on the J-11B, Shenyang’s unlicensed and indigenously adapted version of the Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker, and resembles its Russian equivalent, the Su-33 shipboard version, with a foreplane, folding wings, arrester hook and reinforced landing gear. Like the Su-33, the J-15 is designed to take off from a ski jump rather than a catapult. There are some differences from the Su-33, including more complex trailing-edge flaps and advanced Chinese avionics.

    The unlicensed adaptation has been a source of friction with Moscow, says Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for military aerospace with London’s International Institute for Strategic Studies.

    The J-15’s canards replicate those on the Su-33, indicating its flight control system is at least similar, Barrie says. Moreover, “a mock-up of the J-15 was seen carrying a dummy anti-ship missile, suggesting the J-15 may be intended to have a strike role from the outset, while the Su-33 was an air-to-air design.”

    The heavy shipborne fighter will be yet another piece in the foundation of a ship-based force that can project power at sea, far from China’s shore defenses. They are expected to be first based on the former Russian Varyag aircraft carrier. The first pictures were taken at Shenyang Aircraft Industry Corp.’s No. 112 factory.

    The design features exterior missile rails and a wide-angle holographic head-up display similar to those on the company’s J-11 fighter.

    There are competing claims about the aircraft’s capability. Russian’s Ria Novosti news service called it inferior to the Su-33, but Chinese officials say the Su-33’s avionics are obsolete, so they have installed locally made sensors, displays and weaponry.

    While based structurally on the Su-33, the aircraft features avionics — including an advanced anti-ship radar — from the J-11B program. Deployment is expected no earlier than 2016.

    Analysts and aircraft watchers in China say the aircraft’s first flight was made on Aug. 31, 2009, powered by a Russian-supplied AL-31. Ukraine is the source of China’s Su-33/Flanker D, U.S. analysts agree.

    “Russia’s carrier training is done in Ukraine at Saki, and for years there was one of the first prototype Su-33s sitting there,” one of the analysts says. “It disappeared a few years ago and likely ended up in China. The most recent photos of the J-15 show that they are either already entering low-rate initial production or close to it. I expect these [LRIP aircraft] to move to the training facilities soon and begin the long road to carrier qualification.”


    The first takeoff from a simulated ski jump was conducted on May 6, 2010.

    The program began after a Su-33 prototype was acquired from Ukraine in 2001. China offered to buy Su-33s from Russia as recently as 2009.

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    A Ukrainian court convicted a Russian man in February of conspiring to give the Chinese details of a Crimean air base that had been used to train Su-33 pilots to take off from a carrier’s ski jump ramp, according to the New York Times.

    In Huludao, a navy installation on China’s northeast coast, workers are said to have built a rough clone of the Crimea test center, complete with a ski ramp for short takeoffs.

    “There are lots of photos of a [dry, ground-based] carrier training facility that has a static flight deck for crew training,” the U.S. analyst says. “The facility is shaped like a carrier, with the dormitories and classrooms below the flight deck. It already has both a Flanker mock-up and a helicopter [onboard] to qualify deck and maintenance crews for carrier operations. Another facility at Xian has the ski jump for carrier takeoffs and the arresting gear network for landings. We expect to see these J-15s do a lot of work there.”

    Taiwan intelligence officials say the aircraft carrier — thought to be slated for a training role — could make its first voyage by the end of the year.

    The warship has been docked in China’s eastern Dalian harbor, where it has undergone extensive refurbishing since 2002.

    “The carrier is also interesting in that it appears to be fitted with a close-in [Club-type cruise missile] weapons system,” Barrie says.

    U.S. intelligence analysts agree with the Taiwanese officials. “Just last month we started seeing the powerplants firing up, showing they are getting really close to going to sea trials sometime this year, [perhaps] as soon as this summer,” the U.S. analyst says. “They’ve also discussed a second carrier [indigenously built] using the knowledge gained from their work on the one they bought from the Russians.”



    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gene...Chinese Ship-Based Fighter Progresses&next=10
     
  20. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    All that work and the author proves himself an idiot.
     
  21. Godless-Kafir

    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    Well he must have used auto-edit like in fire fox! :D
     

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