China's intrusion in Indian waters sends jitters

[nrupatunga]

@sayareakd

China's 'String of Pearls' is closer than you think, red intrusion in Indian waters sends jitters

22 such Chinese operations have been recorded, one as recently as February, 2013. One submarine was spotted near the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.
The assessment is that China is the only other navy capable of operating in the area. The assessment has been confirmed by U.S. and Indian intelligence inputs.
One contact with a suspected Chinese submarine took place just 90 km from Indian soil in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

The first such Chinese submarine was spotted on sonar in August 2012 during a patrol of Indian and U.S. navy ships, confident that they are the only two navies operating in the southern part of the Indian Ocean.

 

[sayareakd]

hope will be pro active now.

 

[Patriot]

What else , we can expect when our govt. is having the ostrich attitude & strategic blindness.

 

[Decklander]

They had come even in 1971 war and that sub too was detected and engaged by our ships. As I had written many times, we keep track of everyship/sub entering IOR and we had known that they do make forays here. There are no jitters in IN. We trail them whenever they come here.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

the indian navy has capability to detect any kind of nuclear/conventional submarine activity going on in indian ocean be it russian,chinese,american.british,french, or paki sub.don't think we are absolutely defenceless against a submarine as is propagated in the headlines today programme.we have our own subs,ins akula,tu142s,p-8i,shipborne asw helis etc is a pretty strong force for now though with time we need a much much bigger force.

 

[nrupatunga]

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[W.G.Ewald]

Should India Fear China’s Navy? | Flashpoints

Let us imagine, thereby succumbing to the worst kind of strategic pessimism, that in the course of the next two decades China does move towards establishing some kind of a genuinely threatening naval presence in the Indian Ocean Region.

This could take several distinct forms:

– A gradual upsurge in Chinese submarine incursions into the Indian Ocean, with the option of secretly forward deploying wolf packs of Chinese submarines in friendly deep-water ports such as Gwadar.

– An extension of China's Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) complex from East to West in order to provide some form of a shore-based protective shield to its surface vessels or to target India's ships and coastal infrastructure.

– Simply by increasing the rotation and stationing of its naval assets-surface or subsurface – in the friendly pearls aforementioned.

 

[Decklander]

the indian navy has capability to detect any kind of nuclear/conventional submarine activity going on in indian ocean be it russian,chinese,american.british,french, or paki sub.don't think we are absolutely defenceless against a submarine as is propagated in the headlines today programme.we have our own subs,ins akula,tu142s,p-8i,shipborne asw helis etc is a pretty strong force for now though with time we need a much much bigger force.

You guys completely missed the plot in that story. What were Indian subs doing in Malacca st or Redsea or in Persian Gulf that they ran into chinese subs?
Think and apply your brains guys. We maintain round the clock war patrolling of these waters.

 

[Yusuf]

Why should it send any chills down India? That it was detected tells us we are capable in detecting subs. And what use will the P8s be of? It would have send chills if we had not detected the sub and came to know later.

No big deal here. Indian Navy has this one covered.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

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[nrupatunga]

Folks: The thing is are we able to detect every intrusion in our backyard. Even if we are able to detect, then what?? If we see the video, there its mentioned that china is getting hardware in huge quantity and decent enough quality(?). Atleast improving their quality. So how do we cope with this realty once they start operating from gwadar and possibly burma N sri lanka??

 

[arnabmit]

It is a good thing... This might get MoD to speedup sub acquisition.

 

[Ray]

I saw a TV discussion on this issue where there was Cmde Bhaskar (analyst) and retired Adm Singh, who is from the submarine arm.

Bhaskar was skeptical that they were all Chinese subs since China he said did not have the capability as yet.

Yet, the difference in force ratio between the Indian and the Chinese Navy was indeed alarming!

 

[Yusuf]

I would not mind the IN use this as a propaganda tool to spook the govt to get more funding for more subs of its own, more attack subs more boomers, more ASW platforms.

 

[KS]

This is just the start.

Last time they did not have friendly naval bases in the IOR. Now they have one and potentially two.

This is the price of running the entire foreign policy on the basis of fear.

 

[Yusuf]

This is just the start.

Last time they did not have friendly naval bases in the IOR. Now they have one and potentially two.

This is the price of running the entire foreign policy on the basis of fear.

Fear of internal domestic situation?

 

[KS]

Fear of internal domestic situation?

No the fear of tiny countries waving the China card and allowing ourselves to be blackmailed while at the same time having no impact on the ground.

p.s: GoI does not care or fear for internal domestic situation.

 

[Yusuf]

No the fear of tiny countries waving the China card and allowing ourselves to be blackmailed while at the same time having no impact on the ground.

If India had made the Hambantota port, we would not have seen this day. Thanks to Tamils, India didn't take up the offer.

 

[KS]

If India had made the Hambantota port, we would not have seen this day. Thanks to Tamils, India didn't take up the offer.

Hambantota land was allocated to China in 2005.

Thank you.


How cute that GoI did not care for Tamil sentiments and went ahead with the support to Sinhalas to kill tens of thousands of them but respected Tamil sentiments not to construct Hambantota..:..lol sell your bull shit to some one else.

 

[Yusuf]

Talking to a fanatic Tamil about SL is like banging head on a stone wall.