China's first aircraft carrier steams towards disputed South China Sea

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    China's first aircraft carrier steams towards disputed South China Sea - The Times of India

    Reuters | Nov 26, 2013, 07.06 PM IST

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    BEIJING: China sent its sole aircraft carrier on a training mission into the South China Sea on Tuesday amid maritime disputes with the Philippines and other neighbours and tension over its plan to set up an airspace defence zone in waters disputed with Japan.

    The Liaoning, bought used from Ukraine and refurbished in China, has conducted more than 100 exercises and experiments since it was commissioned last year but this is the first time it has been sent to the South China Sea.

    The Liaoning left port from the northern city of Qingdao accompanied by two destroyers and two frigates, the Chinese navy said on an official news website.

    While there, it will carry out "scientific research, tests and military drills", the report said.

    "This is the first time since the Liaoning entered service that it has carried out long-term drills on the high seas," it added.

    The timing of the drills is bound to raise eyebrows with its neighbours, given the overlapping maritime disputes. China has lodged formal protests with the United States and Japan after both criticised its plan to impose new rules on airspace over disputed waters in the East China Sea.

    On Tuesday, Australia said it had summoned China's ambassador to express concern over its imposition of the air defence identification zone.

    China also claims almost the entire oil- and gas-rich South China Sea, conflicting with claims from Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Vietnam.

    That dispute is one of the region's biggest flashpoints amid China's military build-up and the US strategic "pivot" back to Asia.

    Though considered decades behind US technology, the Liaoning represents the Chinese navy's blue-water ambitions and has been the focus of a campaign to stir patriotism.

    'Not overly concerned'

    Rommel Banlaoi, executive director of the Philippine Institute for Peace, Violence and Terrorism Research, said he thought the Liaoning was still years away from representing a real threat.

    "China is still developing its own model of carrier operations and its technology is (far) behind the United States," he said. "Personally, I would not be overly concerned with an old diesel-powered aircraft carrier on a training mission."

    The navy did not specify exactly what training would be done, only noting that previous exercises involving aircraft landing and taking off had gone well.

    Previously reported training exercises have mostly been in the Yellow Sea, between China and the Korean peninsula.

    "Obviously the Chinese authorities have been adopting a series of measures to strengthen their claim on the sovereignty of the disputed territories," said Joseph Cheng, a political science professor at City University of Hong Kong.

    "You see Japan and Southeast Asian countries have also been making gestures and taking steps to strengthen sovereignty, so China has to respond."

    China's navy said the mission was routine, adding that the Liaoning was still in a testing phase.

    "This test visit to the South China Sea is part of normal arrangements for testing and training for the Liaoning," it said.

    "...Long cross-sea voyages are a necessary stage of experimentation and training to test equipment and troops under continuous work and different hydrological and meteorological conditions."
     
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    Re: China's first aircraft carrier steams towards disputed South China

    Somebody stop China, before it overpowers little nations in the region.

    It is like Hitler in the east has risen.

    Begin with economic sanctions first.

    It is the anti Soviet crazed US Presidents from Nixon, Carter, Reagan and finally Clinton which made what China is today. In order to encircle Soviet Union, they would help China way or shape including sending $100 Billion a year for 30 years, which built China of today. On top of that they agreed to keep the Chinese currency value pegged so favorable to them that China dominates the consumer market.

    Chinese took away 10 million American jobs from 1997 till 2008.

    Now they are acting like an untethered bull in a glassware shop.

    Please somebody deny these benefits which is making today's China. Once this is done internal dissensions will cut China to size.
     
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    'somebody'... who?

    Winning the Presidency costs money, money that comes from companies, companies that make money by tapping into the Chinese market and labor force...
     
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    Not sure why China doesn't dress up this drill as a humanitarian mission to support the Peace Ark (just like the US dresses up its CVN-73 in humanitarian colors all the time). Would be a nice way to justify steaming the Liaoning straight through Leyte Gulf with a couple destroyers in tow, and collecting as much SIGINT as possible on US assets near the Phillipines.
     
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    If you are not already employed by PRC Central Publicity Department you could have a successful career there/
     
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    Diesel? Really? Specs say eight boilers. And diesels don't steam unless something is terribly wrong.
     
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    So how is your career in NSA? Got promoted how so many years loyal service?
     
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    I was at Fort Meade for a while. That's as close as I got.
     
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    Man...What are you doing on DFI ? :confused:

    You should be working as an advisor :ranger: to Xi Jinping ! He could definitely use your brilliant !deas :sarc:
     
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    Re: China's first aircraft carrier steams towards disputed South China

    China has moved the aircraft carrier in the SCS to enforce the ADIZ that they have simultaneously announced.

    The US has challenged them with their B52s.

    China is poising itself for a suitable reply to all these cocking of the snook by the US B52 and the Japanese civil airlines, who refuse to obey the orders given by China.

    China does not take things lying down, nor appreciates or take it kindly if they give a friendly order to all concerned to listen to them and obey them without question.
     
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    What is the Liaoning ready to do? Ram intruding ships?
     
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    Re: China's first aircraft carrier steams towards disputed South China

    Chines are doing LioaningMedha yaga just like ( Aswamedha yagna ).:taunt1:

    They did it in tibet ... etc and now they are doing in sea.(In few years they will claim America).:rofl::pound::laugh:
     
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    Re: China's first aircraft carrier steams towards disputed South China

    CHINA SAILS AIRCRAFT CARRIER TO SOUTH CHINA SEA AS A WARNING TO JAPAN AND USA

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    Re: China's first aircraft carrier steams towards disputed South China

    but against combined naval powers of US, japan and it's allies, not to mention the neighbours of china who have been offended over this dispute, chinese might go for a diplomatic solution in order to not to escalate the situation.....
     
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    Hope in josh Chini dont get their sole carrier sinked. They are unable to enforce their decleared zone. Pls they dont have experiance of carrier operations so they better be careful.
     
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    What?

    It's called the EAST CHINA SEA ADIZ because its located in the EAST CHINA SEA.

    Liaoning and its escorts are heading to the SOUTH CHINA SEA for long distance trails that were scheduled by the Navy before the ADIZ was even announced. That's more than a couple hundred miles from the ECS ADIZ.

    Even forgetting all that, how would Liaoning's 4 J15 prototypes enforce an ADIZ of that size? They aren't even operational frontline fighters yet.

    Why would they even need Liaoning to enforce an ADIZ within unrefueled flyong distance of numerous PLAAF and PLANAF bases that have over a hundred Flankers and J10's for interception, not to mention tanker and AWACS support?

    But hey! Who am I to get in the way of sensational Times of India headlines?
     
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    What what?

    After Unilateral Air Defense Move, Beijing Sends Carrier to Another Sensitive Area

    (CNSNews.com) – Amid tensions over China’s bid to exert sovereignty over a Japanese-controlled but contested area of the East China Sea, Beijing has dispatched its only aircraft carrier for the first time to the South China Sea, where it is embroiled in further disputes with neighboring countries. -

    The Global Times, a paper affiliated to the Chinese Communist Party, said in an editorial that the timing of the ADIZ announcement and carrier voyage was coincidental, but predicted that “distorted interpretations” would be inevitable. -

    After Unilateral Air Defense Move, Beijing Sends Carrier to Another Sensitive Area | CNS News

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    Coincidental?

    Another of the sweet talk that China is famous for to deflect issues.

    So, the declaration of the ADIZ was just on the spur or the moment, Xi having got our of the wrong side of his bed and aircraft just set sail for routine tasks.eh?

    Tell that to the Marines as they say.
     
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    The only one deflecting issues here is you.

    Where in that article does it say China deployed Liaoning to the South China Sea to enforce the East China Sea ADIZ? That doesn't even make sense.

    There was nothing coincedental about the ADIZ. As I've said before. It was a calculated STRATEGIC maneuver. On the other hand, I doubt Xi knew much about Liaoning's SCS sea trials. The Hu jintao leadership didn't seem to know about the much more significant first flight of my namesake the J20.

    Guess the global time WAS right. Distorted interpretation from the likes of you and the Times of India were inevitable.
     

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