China's first aircraft carrier starts sea trial: Xinhua

[Daredevil]

It's means that the Chinese Carrier is just picture.

As of now that is what it seems.

 

[AKM19812003]

As of now that is what it seems.

What about India's Russia Carrier?

 

[pmaitra]

What about India's Russia Carrier?

You can follow this thread: http://defenceforumindia.com/indian-navy/97-adm-gorshkov-ins-vikramaditya-news-discussions.html

 

[Iamanidiot]

seriously why do they need to do such a ridiculous CG.What is the reason to fool their own people with a dock queen

 

[The Messiah]

US wants China to explain 'why it needs aircraft carrier'

Washington, Aug 11 (ANI): The United States has asked China to explain why it needs warship equipment like the aircraft carrier amid concerns about Beijing's lack of transparency over its military power projection.

"We would welcome any kind of explanation that China would like to give for needing this kind of equipment," ABC News quoted State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland, as saying.

"We have had concerns for some time and we've been quite open with them with regard to the lack of transparency from China regarding its power projection and its lack of access and denial of capabilities," Nuland said.

She said the US is concerned that the Chinese military is not 'transparent' about its build-up which, in addition to the aircraft carrier, also includes the development of a stealth jet fighter believed to be better than America's best.

"We are prepared to be extremely transparent with regard to US military positions and equipment, and we'd like to have a reciprocal relationship with China, and that's what our presidents have said we ought to aspire to," Nuland said.

"Transparency in itself is a confidence builder between nations," she added.

China's first aircraft carrier steamed out of Dalian Port in northeast Liaoning province, for a sea trial on Wednesday.

Still-unnamed aircraft carrier was originally built by the former Soviet Union, which failed to complete the ship's construction before collapsing in 1991.

The aircraft carrier was an empty shell when it was sold to Ukraine, which later removed its engines before selling it to China. (ANI)

The yanks already in "questioning mode".

 

[Godless-Kafir]

^ This is Hilarious, i can already see the Chinese CCP response, Why does USA need aircraft carriers and who the hell are you to ask us why we need?

Did Uncle really think he was going to get an strait answer for such a question!!!!!

 

[AKM19812003]

You can follow this thread: http://defenceforumindia.com/indian-navy/97-adm-gorshkov-ins-vikramaditya-news-discussions.html

Thank you!
But I don't see videos of Gorshcov move by it's own power from your link, so could I say the ship's powr is not ready or even has no power???

 

[AKM19812003]

seriously why do they need to do such a ridiculous CG.What is the reason to fool their own people with a dock queen

Obviously just for Practical joke.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Obviously just for Practical joke.

Lol, you have a killer sarcasm!

Why such big practical joke?

 

[pankaj nema]

State Department spokespersons are IDIOTS who open their mouths and PUT their BOTH FEET in it

BTW Varyag has begun only Harbour trials not sea trials

And even if China has 3 aircraft carriers It is not a threat to India

India's problems BEGIN When China has 5 Aircraft carriers

3 aircraft carriers will be needed for Defending the 14500 km CHINESE COASTLINE

When China has 5 carriers then , 2 will be deployed in Indian Ocean

 

[pankaj nema]

Varyag will not be used for operational purposes It is only for training and helping China LEARN CARRIER OPERATIONS

US officials/ experts have given many interviews saying that it TAKES 10 YEARS to MASTER the ART and SCIENCE of operating a Big carrier

 

[LETHALFORCE]

China's aircraft carrier 'to pressure neighbours'


China's aircraft carrier 'to pressure neighbours'


China's first aircraft carrier will allow Beijing to further pressure nations with rival territorial claims, analysts said Wednesday as the vessel embarked on its inaugural sea trial.

China has for years been revamping a 300-metre (990-foot), former Soviet carrier in the northeastern port of Dalian, after buying the vessel -- once called the Varyag -- from Ukraine in 1998.

Experts said the carrier's maiden trip, announced in a brief statement on the defence ministry's website, would deal a psychological blow to neighbouring countries at a time of heightened regional tensions.

Rick Fisher, a US expert on the Chinese military, said Beijing was allowing reports and scant online images of the vessel to "propel anxieties" while saying very little about its aircraft carrier project and naval ambitions.

"This 'psywar' campaign has everything to do with China's multiple ongoing maritime territory disputes," said Fisher, of the US-based International Assessment and Strategy Center.

"China clearly wants to bully its neighbours into making concessions without having to engineer a shooting "incident" that might unite these same neighbours against it."

Jonathan Holslag, of the Brussels Institute of Contemporary China Studies said the new aircraft carrier will be perceived as another indication of China's growing military ambitions.

"It will prompt neighbouring countries to shore up their own capabilities," Holslag wrote in a commentary published shortly before Wednesday's sea trial.

Beijing has consistently tried to allay fears about the aircraft carrier, saying it will mainly be used for training and "research", and that it poses no threat to other countries.

Fisher said the carrier was "practically ready to support combat missions", although other analysts say it will not be operational as part of a wider naval battle group for several years at least.

But for the secretive People's Liberation Army -- the largest armed force in the world -- the carrier is first and foremost an issue of prestige, as even Thailand, a much smaller country than China, has one.

In a comment piece published Wednesday, the official Xinhua news agency pointed out that China was the only permanent member state of the UN Security Council that did not own an aircraft carrier, adding India also has one.

"The Chinese can point proudly to the Varyag, or any other piece of new equipment, and feel like they have entered the ranks of advanced militaries," said Dennis Blasko, an expert on China's military.

The carrier is also important from a strategic standpoint. China's interests now stretch out all over the world, and it needs to intervene far from home, particularly on maritime routes crucial to its oil imports.

Independent experts are convinced that far from just having one, renovated vessel, China's defence ministry has also launched a programme to build one to two brand new, indigenous aircraft carriers.

"I consider it plausible that by the late 2020s, China could have up to six carriers, three non-nuclear for regional missions and three nuclear-powered carriers that will be advancing China's interests well beyond the Asian region," said Fisher.

But the PLA -- which operates China's navy -- is hugely secretive about its defence programmes, which benefit from a big and expanding military budget boosted by the nation's runaway economic growth.

Beijing has provided scant details about the carrier, even when it finally officially acknowledged the vessel's existence in June, and analysts say this could be a strategic move.

"China needs time to learn to operate an aircraft carrier and carrier group (a carrier and its escort ships), and deliberately takes a low-key posture," said Arthur Ding, a Taiwan-based expert on the PLA.

But Beijing's relative silence could also be an effort by the government to allay regional worries about its military expansion, and avoid undermining its claim that China's army is purely defensive in nature.

Last week, Japan voiced concern over China's growing assertiveness and widening naval reach, and over what it called the "opaqueness" of Beijing's military budget.

China is nevertheless rapidly upgrading its army's capabilities, developing advanced weaponry such as its first stealth fighter jet, revealed in January.

It is also working on a ballistic missile that can hit warships thousands of kilometres away.

 

[pankaj nema]

The Chinese have for a very long period ,approximately 50 YEARS , lived in a situation in which USA has been " STRUTTING ITS STUFF " ; ie showing off its carriers in the Pacific

So when China gets its carriers we can hear stories of cat and mouse games in the Pacific between the US and Chinese Carrier Battle groups

The PACIFIC will definitely become a " HAPPENING " place when the Chinese CBGs are ready

Anyway the Chinese Naval submarines, frigates and destroyers are much bigger threat to India than its aircraft carriers

Indian naval expansion is on track

P 8 I ASW aircraft ,New Submarines BOTH Nuclear and with AIP, More Frigates and destroyers Brahmos Hyper sonic missiles are needed to keep the Chinese FAR AWAY from India

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese carrier will not make it out of the South China seas all neighboring countries have carrier killing missiles or will have one:

Taiwan just announced their missile on the special occasion when China conducted their first sea trial
Japan has developed a carrier killer 2 years ago
Vietnam is planning to buy Brahmos
Phillipines will get a bunch of Harpoons and Tomahawks from USA
South Korea probably working on something
Indonesia bought Yakhont
Malaysia plans on buying Klubs

US naval bases and Subs all over the Pacific and South China seas. This is just China playing catch up with no real results and good to bully neighbors with.

 

[niceguy2011]

Chinese carrier will not make it out of the South China seas all neighboring countries have carrier killing missiles or will have one:

Taiwan just announced their missile on the special occasion when China conducted their first sea trial
Japan has developed a carrier killer 2 years ago
Vietnam is planning to buy Brahmos
Phillipines will get a bunch of Harpoons and Tomahawks from USA
South Korea probably working on something
Indonesia bought Yakhont
Malaysia plans on buying Klubs

US naval bases and Subs all over the Pacific and South China seas. This is just China playing catch up with no real results and good to bully neighbors with.

lol,to win a war will not depend on 1or 2 weapons (ACs or AC killers),will depend on the whole weapon system.
If China want to destory one or all the countrys u listed, do you think we will just sent a AC to their territorial waters？ can you imaging we will not destory their infrastructure before we send PLA to their land or waters?

US ? dont warry about them,the only war between US and China will be a nuclear war. ACs are for the rest of the world (russia and EU are not include)

 

[pmaitra]

Thank you!
But I don't see videos of Gorshcov move by it's own power from your link, so could I say the ship's powr is not ready or even has no power???

Post in the relevant thread. This thread is not about the Gorshkov. You can start reading from the first post onwards or you can go to the last post and read backwards in case you want just the latest news.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

lol,to win a war will not depend on 1or 2 weapons (ACs or AC killers),will depend on the whole weapon system.
If China want to destory one or all the countrys u listed, do you think we will just sent a AC to their territorial waters？

yes China is claiming everything belongs to them, also neighboring countries have subs too. Vietnam buying kilos etc...

 

[asianobserve]

lol,to win a war will not depend on 1or 2 weapons (ACs or AC killers),will depend on the whole weapon system.
If China want to destory one or all the countrys u listed, do you think we will just sent a AC to their territorial waters？

US ? dont warry about them,the only war between US and China will be a nuclear war.

China does not have the BALLS to invade any of its small neighbors... It cannot even invade what it claims to be its rebellious island (Taiwan) which is even smaller than the ASEAN neighbors it has territorial conflicts with.

It could not even retake its own territory? How pathetic! Send that cheap crap back to Dalian and put a circus on top. The CCP might even earn from it...

 

[AprilLyrics]

China does not have the BALLS to invade any of its small neighbors... It cannot even invade what it claims to be its rebellious island (Taiwan) which is even smaller than the ASEAN neighbors it has territorial conflicts with.

It could not even retake its own territory? How pathetic! Send that cheap crap back to Dalian and put a circus on top. The CCP might even earn from it...

in fact,it is a casino~

 

[Iamanidiot]

chinese bluff a lot about their stated"imaginary" capabilities.I wonder how exactly the Shanghai statistics perfected by CCP will turn out.There are qualified individuals here (serious finance guys)who can tell us about it