China's dirty secrets

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  1. bhramos

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    China's juggernaut economy is the envy of the world, but at what cost to the country's people and environment? 101 East investigates.
     
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    China's dirty secrets

    When i saw the topic, i thought china also watch animal porn like pakis:pound::pound::scared1::scared1::scared1::taunt:
     
  4. AprilLyrics

    AprilLyrics Regular Member

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    hehe..if my post is OT,what about this thread?

    does this thread have sth. to do with "Discussion of the military and defense developments of China"?
     
  5. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It has to do with China.

    See the heading.

    See the main page of this Forum and you will find that there are many sub forums that are not military and defence, but on a variety of topics. This is to ensure that there is also some variety to enhance general awareness and knowledge.

    Even in the video, apart from the main issue, one can see for oneself the landscape, the river, the boats, the buildings, all of which are so beautiful.

    As far as the milk issue of India, there is a thread on that. Did you miss that? Just search and you will find it.
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    That is true, China is dirty as hell but we are always close in all these aspects all our rivers are running high with muck and garbage.
     
  7. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I think it is time to inform you Chinese posters that we are not shy to focuses on the errors of our country. In fact, if we don't focus on them, we will never know what is going on and improve.

    Yet, as far you all are concerned, you showcase the beauty and engineering marvels, which we appreciate of course.

    But isn't that one side of China?

    Does China not have a dark side too. Even the Moon and all countries including have a Dark side. But not China?

    We all want to know a country in its holity and so Brahmos is filling in the void that you all do not show and even when Kickok tries to explain issues pragmatically, he is practically called a traitor!!

    Nothing in the world is perfect and when one tries to project that their country is only perfect without blemish, the credibility suffers!
     
  8. AprilLyrics

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    OK....here we can only post bad news(true or not,people dont care.....).we cannot post news like India's milk problem.

    this area is "Discussion of the military and defense developments of China".people likes to post news which have nothing to do with the military....

    this is like childrens qurrelling.

    this decrease the Impartiality and objectivity of this forum.

    maybe u can set a new zone naming of "bad news of china",and move these thread there....
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    No, that is not the reason.

    There is already a thread running on bad milk of India.

    If brought in here, then we will lose track of pollution of the environment and only discuss the bad milk of India and China, which is not what we must learn from this thread.

    Any developing country has high levels of pollution. There is nothing to be hidden or be shy about.

    What is important is that we, as a world, must control it.

    Did you not see the Mother in the video who was saying that they have to keep the river clean and so common citizens are also jumping in to clean the river?

    Now, isn't that a good lesson for all to learn? I have learnt it.


    We don't have any sub forum that is for Bad News from China or Bad News from India or Bad News from the World.

    In democracies, it is usually bad news. The aim of the media is to wake up the Govt and the citizens. If only good news is given by the media, the citizens will think everything is good and get lazier and the dirt will pile up and overpower them!
     
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    No, that is not the reason.

    There is already a thread running on bad milk of India.

    If brought in here, then we will lose track of pollution of the environment and only discuss the bad milk of India and China, which is not what we must learn from this thread.

    Any developing country has high levels of pollution. There is nothing to be hidden or be shy about.

    What is important is that we, as a world, must control it.

    Did you not see the Mother in the video who was saying that they have to keep the river clean and so common citizens are also jumping in to clean the river?

    Now, isn't that a good lesson for all to learn? I have learnt it.



    Why does it always happen?

    Double post. Why?
     
  11. nimo_cn

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    I think it is time to inform you Indian posters that we are not shy to focuses on the errors of our country. In fact, if we don't focus on them, we will never know what is going on and improve.

    But we do have issues with someone from a country like India discussing the negative sides of China.

    Reasons
    1> None of the discussions is fruitful, it is always Indians mocking and ridiculing China.
    2>India is doing worse than China, we don't accept mocking and ridiculing by people from a country which is more backward than China.

    Call me arrogant if you want.
     
  12. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It is so kind of you to inform Indian posters of the views of the Chinese posters and your ethos.

    I take it that you are the Leader and Chairman and so we can rightfully hope that if we address you, you will instruct your brood.

    It is also flattering to note that you are using parts of my syntax as your own and original!

    Now if you find Indians are mocking and ridiculing China, I am sure you can debunk them with facts and not fiction. Surely, one cannot debunk facts, can one?

    You are not arrogant at all. Disabuse yourself of such fanciful opinion of yourself.

    The very fact that you can use such a statement as - But we do have issues with someone from a country like India discussing the negative sides of China - is indicative of your juvenile approach to issues.

    Maybe Hu, Wu, Wen or whoever is the CCP bosses could claim to be talking on behalf of China or taking umbrage!

    Unless of course, you are some local Communist satrap of China around this forum.

    BTW, is pollution that very negative and which is so evident around the world?

    Are you suggesting that China has no pollution?

    And the video is NOT Indian.

    It is ARAB - Al Jazeera!

    Surprising that you conveniently forgot that!
     
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  13. AprilLyrics

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    i just google animal porn.most r made by white women and Japanese girls. and also a girl from the biggest South Asia country.
    if u like ,i can give u the link.

    those who Insult others will get self-insulted.and It is not good to make joke like this.i am sorry but i cant bear your words.if u change ur joke about animal porn,then i will change mine.
     
  14. nimo_cn

    nimo_cn Senior Member Senior Member

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    If people really wish to discuss what is going on in China, good or bad.

    Fine, do it in a civil manner, leave the ideology and politics out of the thread if it is not about the two.

    Don't try to demonize and stereotype common Chinese people based on individual inccident, you can't conclude thta all Chinese people are selfish people just because some pedestrians in Foushan failed to rescue a 2-year girl who was run over by a van. Yes, it reflects that Chinese society is going through a morality crisis, but asserting Chinese are selfish people is just out of line.

    Most problems which have been haunting China may rise or are rising in India, pollution, corruption, poverty, widening poverty gap, you name it, they are not exclusive in China. Many of these issues have been quoted again and again by Indian members, mainly to show what a failure China is.

    Well, if proving China to be a failure is the only purpose of discussing these topics, I am sorry but I won't let it happen in a way that pleases Indian members. By no means is China a failure compared to India.

    So please forgive me if I do anything that hurts your feelings by showcasing the dark side of India everytime you try to show China's.
     
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    Pollution and Porn are not the same thing.

    Google says it is Pakistan which leads in Animal porn, but then as far as I know, this forum does not have a porn sub section.

    In fact, wherever we see abusive words, we edit.
     
  16. Ray

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    Nothing hurts anyone's feeling if backed by facts and links.

    If someone is offended, he is entitled to give a rebuttal, again with facts and not fiction.

    If someone brings out 2 yr old being hit by a van as a morality crisis, do educate him as to why it is not so, rather than brooding and feeling hurt.

    On politics and ideology, there is a cultural difference between China and India.

    While, possibly, politics and ideology is dangerous grounds to tread in China and hence a self imposed taboo, in India, politics and ideology is the staple.

    That is why we have so many political parties, and even within them, so many views, at times at cross purpose!

    Even in this forum, you will find such divergent views on politics, ideology and even religion that at times goes totally overboard, and many a time, the thread is closed so that people cool off!

    That's how Indians are and that is how the Indian forums are!
     
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    April, again that is a cultural difference that is upsetting you.

    In India if someone writes 'Dirty Secret' one thinks it must be something to do with sex.

    The reason is that we have no issues discussing anything and everything but are rather closed to discussing personal sex affairs!

    We have our cultural difference with the West, especially the US. They use words like 'kickass', 'your wife is a hottie', or read what JayATL writes. It is natural syntax in the US, but it sounds offensive to the Indian mind!

    It is all cultural difference that cause the misunderstanding.
     
  18. Ray

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    One more thing I wish to convey to the Chinese posters as a Mentor of this Forum (which is my official position) is that Indian are not sitting like hawks to learn of bad things of China just to ridicule Chinese.

    Not at all.

    Please see the comments on Cherrywood (?), (a Chinese poster I presume) thread in which he has posted photos of the Sichuan Highway under construction.

    When I last saw that thread, all Indian posters were ecstatic with the view and the engineering marvel.

    What is good, cannot be rubbished or ridiculed.
     
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    Ray, I reqeust people not to bring ideology and politics into the discussions only because it does no help to the discussions as we can see in most cases, not because it is a taboo to do so.

    So please don't stretch my words.

    I know the idea that Chinese can't think free is deeply rooted in your mind and you will ask me to prove why it is not a taboo. Well, I guess that can't be easily accomplished because you can't read Chinese, neither do you live in China. If you ask me for some material presented in English like what you posted about China, it only leaves me CPC propaganda.

    That is the second reason why I suggest no ideology and politics, such issues are too complicated and language barriers keep Indian members from having an insightful discussion with us. If the discussion always stays at a shallow level where everyone calls China an evil communist country, I think I would rather pass it.
     
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    awwww... one emotional chinese among many here :lol:
     
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    While that is right, we must also understand their sensitivity to things.
     

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