China's Combined-Arms Saturation Attack (VIDEO)
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Here's what would really happen in the case of an American surprise strike on the PLA,please note that I've considered an all out surprise strike keeping in mind the Americans probable plan to neuter any retaliatory facilities.
1)American ASAT weapons would take out most of the satellites needed for any ASBM/GLCM capability including the beidou series in a surprise strike crippling PLA communication and targeting ability.
2)Simultaneously Ohio class SSGNs would launch saturation strikes on all known and speculated 2nd artillery bases taking out a significant portion of Chinese MRBM/IRBM capabilities.
3)"Rods from God" would be dropped on all major PLAAF airbases devastating a major chunk of airpower.
4)Simultaneous SEAD strikes would be conducted using tomahawks launched from Ticonderoga class ships and allied bases.
Only after this would the real war begin!
1)American ASAT weapons would take out most of the satellites needed for any ASBM/GLCM capability including the beidou series in a surprise strike crippling PLA communication and targeting ability.
2)Simultaneously Ohio class SSGNs would launch saturation strikes on all known and speculated 2nd artillery bases taking out a significant portion of Chinese MRBM/IRBM capabilities.
3)"Rods from God" would be dropped on all major PLAAF airbases devastating a major chunk of airpower.
4)Simultaneous SEAD strikes would be conducted using tomahawks launched from Ticonderoga class ships and allied bases.
Only after this would the real war begin!
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US military couldn't invade North Korea, they won't do one with China. Go home everyone.
At best there could be skirmishes in the South China Sea, and proxy-wars. CPEC will also become a flashpoint, and the US would love nothing more than to make India its proxy, against a Chinese Pakistani proxy.
Every Indo-Pak before Kargil was a US-Soviet proxy-war. First, they didn't want a Soviet-friendly India to be contiguous with the Soviet Union (today's Tajikistan), so they created the Kashmir mess, and bribed/coerced Congress to give up PoK in 1947. Then there was 65, and it was a stalemate. They were hoping for another automated stalemate in 1971, but Indira called Nixon's bluff and won, by making the Soviets stalemate him at sea.
At best there could be skirmishes in the South China Sea, and proxy-wars. CPEC will also become a flashpoint, and the US would love nothing more than to make India its proxy, against a Chinese Pakistani proxy.
Every Indo-Pak before Kargil was a US-Soviet proxy-war. First, they didn't want a Soviet-friendly India to be contiguous with the Soviet Union (today's Tajikistan), so they created the Kashmir mess, and bribed/coerced Congress to give up PoK in 1947. Then there was 65, and it was a stalemate. They were hoping for another automated stalemate in 1971, but Indira called Nixon's bluff and won, by making the Soviets stalemate him at sea.
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The Battle for Okinawa
In the opening scene, the US attacks a Chinese South China Sea island base. A Chinese Y-20 cargo plane crash lands and is destroyed. Serial number "783" identifies the heavy-lift transport aircraft as China's first Y-20 prototype.
China retaliates by rolling out its ballistic missiles from their underground mountain bases. [Air Power Australia has identified at least 41 known Chinese underground mountain bases. There are no known American or Japanese underground mountain base due to the seismic activity along the Ring of Fire territories on the Pacific Rim.]
China's first and most important move is to destroy the exposed oil tanks (e.g. the four round white domes). Without oil and jet fuel, a plane can't fly. No matter how advanced it is.
China uses bomblets on ballistic missiles [see MGR-1 Honest John with M139 bomblets] to destroy the runway, airplanes, and Patriot batteries on an American base.
In addition to the ballistic missile salvo attack, China's H-6K bombers launch KD-20 LACMs (land-attack cruise missiles) at the American bases.
As we shift to the naval battle, the first salvo of incoming DF-21D MARVs home in on an American carrier battle group. Despite the best efforts of SM-3 missiles and Phalanx CIWS (which I assume is shooting at incoming Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles or ASCMs), the carrier group eventually succumbs to the MARV barrage. The SM-3 missile is at a disadvantage, because it has to fight gravity. If there are any SM-3 misfires such as the SM-2 that recently exploded in its VLS, it's all over. China only needs one or two hits to destroy a naval capital ship. The US needs a 100% defense success rate, which is virtually impossible. [To my knowledge, the Safeguard Program only claimed a simulated 90% success rate against missiles on simple ballistic trajectories.]
A Chinese Type 093 Shang-class nuclear submarine destroys an enemy sub. Logically, it would go on to hunt for more enemy submarines or capital ships.
In its counterstrike, China launches J-15 fighters from the Liaoning. They are joined by a J-10 squadron commanded by a KJ-2000 AWACs. Coming under missile attack from American F-35s, the J-10s evade and proceed to their target. A J-20 stealth fighter turns to engage the enemy F-35 fighters, which are easily identifiable by their single engine and twin canted vertical stabilizers. Since the J-20 flies higher and faster, its Air-to-Air Missiles (AAMs) have a longer range than the F-35. The F-35s lose the engagement.
The J-15s launched their missiles and the J-10s dropped their precision-guided bombs (on targets designated by a drone) to clear the way for an invasion of Okinawa. The American base is on Okinawa and China has to stop future attacks on Chinese South China Sea islands. After landing on Okinawa, China uses PHL03 MLRS and PLZ-05 self-propelled howitzers to provide covering fire. Type 99 main battle tanks and Z-series attack helicopters spearhead the capture of the formerly American Okinawa military base.
The moral of the story is that China will contest Okinawa if the US contests a Chinese South China Sea island. Both sides must place something of equal value at risk.
In the opening scene, the US attacks a Chinese South China Sea island base. A Chinese Y-20 cargo plane crash lands and is destroyed. Serial number "783" identifies the heavy-lift transport aircraft as China's first Y-20 prototype.
China retaliates by rolling out its ballistic missiles from their underground mountain bases. [Air Power Australia has identified at least 41 known Chinese underground mountain bases. There are no known American or Japanese underground mountain base due to the seismic activity along the Ring of Fire territories on the Pacific Rim.]
China's first and most important move is to destroy the exposed oil tanks (e.g. the four round white domes). Without oil and jet fuel, a plane can't fly. No matter how advanced it is.
China uses bomblets on ballistic missiles [see MGR-1 Honest John with M139 bomblets] to destroy the runway, airplanes, and Patriot batteries on an American base.
In addition to the ballistic missile salvo attack, China's H-6K bombers launch KD-20 LACMs (land-attack cruise missiles) at the American bases.
As we shift to the naval battle, the first salvo of incoming DF-21D MARVs home in on an American carrier battle group. Despite the best efforts of SM-3 missiles and Phalanx CIWS (which I assume is shooting at incoming Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles or ASCMs), the carrier group eventually succumbs to the MARV barrage. The SM-3 missile is at a disadvantage, because it has to fight gravity. If there are any SM-3 misfires such as the SM-2 that recently exploded in its VLS, it's all over. China only needs one or two hits to destroy a naval capital ship. The US needs a 100% defense success rate, which is virtually impossible. [To my knowledge, the Safeguard Program only claimed a simulated 90% success rate against missiles on simple ballistic trajectories.]
A Chinese Type 093 Shang-class nuclear submarine destroys an enemy sub. Logically, it would go on to hunt for more enemy submarines or capital ships.
In its counterstrike, China launches J-15 fighters from the Liaoning. They are joined by a J-10 squadron commanded by a KJ-2000 AWACs. Coming under missile attack from American F-35s, the J-10s evade and proceed to their target. A J-20 stealth fighter turns to engage the enemy F-35 fighters, which are easily identifiable by their single engine and twin canted vertical stabilizers. Since the J-20 flies higher and faster, its Air-to-Air Missiles (AAMs) have a longer range than the F-35. The F-35s lose the engagement.
The J-15s launched their missiles and the J-10s dropped their precision-guided bombs (on targets designated by a drone) to clear the way for an invasion of Okinawa. The American base is on Okinawa and China has to stop future attacks on Chinese South China Sea islands. After landing on Okinawa, China uses PHL03 MLRS and PLZ-05 self-propelled howitzers to provide covering fire. Type 99 main battle tanks and Z-series attack helicopters spearhead the capture of the formerly American Okinawa military base.
The moral of the story is that China will contest Okinawa if the US contests a Chinese South China Sea island. Both sides must place something of equal value at risk.
PLA Navy would lose 40% of its fleet to sink a US carrier: report
China would have to sacrifice up to 40% of its naval fleet in an attempt to sink a supercarrier like the USS Gerald R Ford in a campaign, according to a report from the Moscow-based Military-Industrial Courier.
China currently possesses several effective weapons systems that could be used against a US carrier battle group, including its DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missiles and 12 guided-missile destroyers. The country's two Type 051C and six Type 052C destroyers are all equipped with anti-ship missiles such as the YJ-83, C-805 and YJ-62, and they would also pose a serious threat against US carriers within the Asia-Pacific region. In addition, China has purchased four Sovremenny-class destroyers equipped with Moskit SSM P-270 anti-ship missiles from Russia, the report said.
Aside from the Liaoning, the country's first aircraft carrier, the PLA Navy currently has 15 Type 054A frigates carrying HQ-16 surface-to-air missile within its vertical launching system. With the capability to defend the Chinese fleet against the US carrier-based aircraft, the Type 054A is able to sink enemy vessels with its C-803 anti-ship missile as well.
If a US carrier battle group were to enter the waters of the Chinese coast, the PLA Navy could also deploy its 10 Type 056 corvettes and 40 Type 022 missile boats to fight in guerrilla warfare at sea against the US Navy, the report said. Both vessels able to launch anti-ship missiles such as YJ-83 and C-803 and the United States Navy would lose 10% of its strength in the region if one of its carriers were to be sunk.
However, the PLA Navy would not be able to sink a US aircraft carrier easily. According to Forbes magazine, several countermethods have been developed by the US Navy to defend its aircraft carriers from Chinese attacks. While long-range unmanned aerial vehicles are able to destroy Chinese missile facilities, F-35 fighters with a combat range of 200 and 300 nautical miles enables the US ships to fight without entering the Chinese coastline.
The Military-Industrial Courier estimated that between 30%-40% of China's total naval strength would be lost to simply destroy one US carrier. Meanwhile, the biggest weakness for the US Navy in a potential conflict with the PLA Navy would be how to deploy its 11 carriers, 88 surface combat vessels, 55 Littoral Combat Ships and 31 amphibious assault ships to the Western Pacific in a short period of time, the report said.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20131014000037&cid=1101
China would have to sacrifice up to 40% of its naval fleet in an attempt to sink a supercarrier like the USS Gerald R Ford in a campaign, according to a report from the Moscow-based Military-Industrial Courier.
China currently possesses several effective weapons systems that could be used against a US carrier battle group, including its DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missiles and 12 guided-missile destroyers. The country's two Type 051C and six Type 052C destroyers are all equipped with anti-ship missiles such as the YJ-83, C-805 and YJ-62, and they would also pose a serious threat against US carriers within the Asia-Pacific region. In addition, China has purchased four Sovremenny-class destroyers equipped with Moskit SSM P-270 anti-ship missiles from Russia, the report said.
Aside from the Liaoning, the country's first aircraft carrier, the PLA Navy currently has 15 Type 054A frigates carrying HQ-16 surface-to-air missile within its vertical launching system. With the capability to defend the Chinese fleet against the US carrier-based aircraft, the Type 054A is able to sink enemy vessels with its C-803 anti-ship missile as well.
If a US carrier battle group were to enter the waters of the Chinese coast, the PLA Navy could also deploy its 10 Type 056 corvettes and 40 Type 022 missile boats to fight in guerrilla warfare at sea against the US Navy, the report said. Both vessels able to launch anti-ship missiles such as YJ-83 and C-803 and the United States Navy would lose 10% of its strength in the region if one of its carriers were to be sunk.
However, the PLA Navy would not be able to sink a US aircraft carrier easily. According to Forbes magazine, several countermethods have been developed by the US Navy to defend its aircraft carriers from Chinese attacks. While long-range unmanned aerial vehicles are able to destroy Chinese missile facilities, F-35 fighters with a combat range of 200 and 300 nautical miles enables the US ships to fight without entering the Chinese coastline.
The Military-Industrial Courier estimated that between 30%-40% of China's total naval strength would be lost to simply destroy one US carrier. Meanwhile, the biggest weakness for the US Navy in a potential conflict with the PLA Navy would be how to deploy its 11 carriers, 88 surface combat vessels, 55 Littoral Combat Ships and 31 amphibious assault ships to the Western Pacific in a short period of time, the report said.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20131014000037&cid=1101
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