China's biggest Granary----Beidacang Area

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  1. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    Beidacang means " Big Granary in North" in chinese.
    it is a area in the northeast strip of china .

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    it is a very sparesely populated fertile plain as large as Holand.

    But now, it is china's "biggest granary" and is also one of most productive "food workshops"

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    Last year, the area produced 14.2 million tons of corns and can produce 15 million tons of grains this year,regardless of bad climate this year.

    so, although the area is just only as large as holand, but its food production can feed nearly 80+ million Indian people.
    if the area were a independent country,then it should be the global 12th biggest food-producing country.

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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    there are hundreds of enormous farms in the area. but almost all farms belong to one " agricultural complex of producing,sale and export" .the complex is called " Beidacang Agriculture Share-holding CO.LTD."

    the yearly saleroom of the agricultural complex is about 30 billion RMB( about 210 billion rupees).
     
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    I am copying these figures as it is without verifying:

    country----------------- % of world farmland food-------------------production 100 million tons
    China------------------------------------8.06-------------------------------5.01
    US---------------------------------------13.15------------------------------3.63
    India------------------------------------11.32------------------------------2.16
    Brazil------------------------------------5.76--------------------------------1.33
    Argentina------------------------------1.80--------------------------------0.85
    Russia----------------------------------8.39--------------------------------0.81
    France----------------------------------1.22--------------------------------0.59

    India still lags behind by miles compared to China.
     
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    tarunraju Moderator Moderator

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    Yes, that is great use of sparsely populated fertile lands: extensive mechanised agriculture.
     
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    Is this like a corpotarised version of the soviet collective farms?
     
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    ^That's probably it. Very unique model, but only China can implement such a thing because they don't have strict property laws.
     
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    China discharged a few armies of soldiers to the northern areas to build large farms and to safeguard the borders as well. They are still paramilitarily structured.
     
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    so this farm is staffed by soldiers?
    is the produce meant only for the PLA or is it sold in the market as well?
     
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    I didn't mean this particular farm. As I said they were discharged soldiers in the beginning. Nowadays you may call them coorporated. But they retain certain military features and keep some weapons (as local militia groups). They manage their activities as other commercial entities and sell their products to the general market.
     
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    country----------------- % of world farmland food-------------------production 100 million tons
    China------------------------------------8.06-------------------------------5.01
    US---------------------------------------13.15------------------------------3.63
    India------------------------------------11.32------------------------------2.16

    Why india's&US's farmland is vaster than china,but their production is less than China.You konw,India's climate is wetter and hotter.
     
  12. rockdog

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    I think because 70% Indian are vegetarian so they don't need that production. Lots of Chinese output finally converted into animal production.

    Also the agriculture infrastructure and fertilizer production are in the different level.
     
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    Bravo! You set new standards for asininity. "70% of Indians vegetarian"? You must be on some dank good weed there mate, get it, get it, huh?

    I'd refer you to this thread, but I have this nagging feeling you're prone to fallacious generalizations:

    http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/ge...ctitious-myths-about-hindu-vegetarianism.html

    To your claim about farm output and related animal/animal product production, India ranks first in the world in buffalo production, an estimated 1.5 million tons of buffalo meat produced annually; fifth in the world in poultry production at over 30 billion eggs ; first in milk production at over 100 million metric tonnes. Of these, only a small fraction is exported due to quality considerations. That leaves the balance for domestic consumption.

    Brands like Venkateswara Hatcheries, Godrej Agrovet, Vista Processed Food, Al Kabeer, Allanasons etc, with modern state-of-the-art slaughter houses and processing plants, have changed the entire scenario.

    The Meat and poultry industry is growing at a rate of over 10% a year (the fastest growing, btw), and exports at 30%.

    FBD: Indian meat & poultry industry demands right strategy for development of the sector

    Agricultural infrastructure is not suffice, but then neither is China's. Most irrigation systems are over 30 yrs-old and in poor condition. Weaknesses in irrigation system design, construction, operation, and maintenance have lowered their efficiency and many are in need of rehabilitation. Grain production in China also sees wide fluctuations. National grain production peaked at 512 million tons in 1998, reached only 430 million tons in 2003, and crossed 500 million tons again in 2007.:

    Agricultural Infrastructure Comprehensive Development Project :  China,People'sRep.of

    India experiences much the same problems (estimates put it at a Rs. 40,000-50,000 crore revenue per year not realized), but a modern Agro-industry in India is driving an agricultural transformation.

    .:: Agriculture
     
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    can't say about the U.S but most of India's farmland is farmed by small farmers with lesser access to good fertilizers and seeds also mechanized farming is a big no no for for of these people as they simply do not have the cash to afford tractors or combines, this lowers the production of Indian farmland as opposed to massive collectivized industrial farming as is carried out in china.Also as farmers own the land many times big farmers may not choose to farm all of it and only produce from a patch so reducing production as well.
     
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    as for as india is concerned, many factors affect that.

    1. most of india's agricultural land is dependant on rains. water has not reached them in terms of irrigation. things are changing in a few pockets where the farmers themselves are taking initiatives and are trying to retain rains in the form of wells, lakes and thereby increasing the ground water retention. GOI needs to encourage and be part of such initiatives.

    2. most of the small and marginal farmers have small plots of land which do not account for much.

    3. many farmers small and marginal, are leaving farming due to to investment needed. they are plundered by the local money lenders and in the end have nothing from what they grow.

    4. industries are gobbling up the farms and the farmers are turning industrial workers.

    5. in many parts farmers are going back to organic farming. the yield may not be high but it helps in retaining the soil fertility.

    6. lot of indian farming is not mechanised. they rely on livestock.

    india needs to adopt cooperative farming wrt the small and marginal farmers so they get better yields and better returns.
     
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    Given India has much vaster farmland than China, they will catch up with China in the future, they just need more time and work harder. Maybe that is one of the reasons they dont worry about their population, they have enough farmland to feed them.

    But in China, the story is totally different, China owns less than 10% farmland of the world while have to feed more than 20% of the population. Although we have managed to improve the agriculture production and provide enough food to the mass right now, we still should be cautious, the population of China is still rising.
    I believe the next decade will be critical for China.
     
  17. ppgj

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    agree with you partly. india has its own unique problems. average farmer's land holding is only about 3 acres which becomes an obstacle whereas in china the state holds all land and hence can put it to great use. india is a net exporter of food grains but extensive chemical fertiliser use has meant soil fertility is lost. many are heading back to organic farming which may mean less yield but works well in long term. besides lack of irrigation, dependance on rains, droughts all contribute to the problems. i feel india needs cooperative farming and a second green revolution but based on organic farming will do a great deal.

    http://www.organicfacts.net/organic-cultivation/organic-farming/organic-farming-in-india.html

    no. it is a worry. india's production for 2009 is set to fall 'cos of bad monsoons.
    but yes, it acts as a cushion.

    agree with you. instead of only focussing on industry you need to give better attention to agricultre. india is doing it too.
     
  18. qilaotou

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    China is known for its successful agriculture among the third world countries but the story has many sides to be told as well.

    In the Northern part of China farmers have more land and traditionally they grow corn, sorghum and wheat. Thirty years ago Northern provinces imposed limitations on farmers to plant mainly corn and sorghum to get up yield output. At that time farmers in the area lived a poorer life with food shortages.

    The Southern part of China is subtropic weather and very fertile to grow rice. Chinese government also imposed rules that farmers plant rice twice a year and additionally, grow "economic plants" in the winter seasons. It made the life of farmers there a hell of harsh work.

    The Chinese government then take the food supply from the South and compensate the need of Northern Chinese. It forced the Northern Chinese gradually to eat rice. Due to adaption to special breed of bio-engineered rice (hybrid rice by natural selection) the annual yield of agriculture has almost been tripled in the South of China that drastically improved the situation of food supply. Recently China is introducing the special type of rice into Pakistan and hoping to increase the output of rice there.

    In the Southern part of China (8-9 provinces of 31) farmers have in average about 0.7mu of rice field per head, i.e., 460 square meters (or 0.11 acres).

    By the way Chinese countryside has been reformed that farmers actually own their land and can sell it to other farmers. Chinese farmers don't need to pay any tax on what they produce to the government. Only in small areas of the Northern China do farmers their work in a form of large coorporate.

    India has better climate for food production but your farmers need the governmental support for irrigation, fertilizers and improvement of agricultural techniques. In the end they may have to work harder to be more productive.
     
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    The Chinese who revolutionized the rice agriculture is from the same province that I am from. Here is a quote from a webpage of report on him:

    Chinese hybrid rice led the world in a long time any other country. Yuan Longping said: "At present, the global average yield of rice and 3.9 tonnes / ha; India is the world's largest grain-growing area of the country, with an average output of only 3 tonnes / ha; Japanese agriculture in developed countries, intensive, with an average yield of 6.6 t / ha; and at present, China's second phase of super hybrid rice has broken through the 12 tons / ha. "

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    A picture showing the landscape of rice field in South China:
     

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