China's best friends: Genocidal Dictators, Past/Present

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  1. JayATL

    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    These guys are responsible for killing millions of their own citizens ( from a few thousands for some to over 1/2 million by one or the other)


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    Kim Jong Il
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    Alexander Lukashenko
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    Muammar Gaddafi
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    Idi Amin
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    Laurent-Desire Kabila
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    Omar Al Bashir
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    Slobodan Milosevic
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    Fidel Castro
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    Bashar Assad
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    Zine El Abidine Ben Ali
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    Ali Khammenei
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    Like minds think alike. China itself is ruled by dictator/genocidal maniacs . So what do you expect them to be?
     
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    Besides Kim China is no more friendly with any of them than India is. In fact for long, long time, Gaddafi, Castro and many others have been very anti-china. BTW, name one from the list who is/has been considered to be at odds with India? No, you can't. India is friendly with all of them.
     
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    None of them have the kind of support china gives them. Comparing India's influence to China's is hilarious. Take for Example Sudan. 400,000 killed in a genocide and china does not say a word. Infact invited Bashir who has an international warrant to his name and gave him the red carpet treatment in China. Look at syria, NK the whole list above ... bleh

    China's uses it's veto power to stop the UN from acting on genocidal murders or waters down the sanction to where it is not effective. Quite naive to remotely compare India w/ China on this.
     
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    Good collection; however I beg to differ that - Slobodan Milosevic killed millions of his own citizens; new findings suggest the so called Albanian genocide and mass-graves were NATO and American (liberal/CNN) propaganda/fabrication, and nothing more (though killings did happen - no denial in that, but in no way it was a genocide as these were retaliatory actions against NATO supported Jihadi Albanians, Chechens, Pakistanis, Arabs etc etc in Serbia)!

    We all know erstwhile Yugoslavia was a sore thorn in the eye of NATO in EU - hence its disintegration of Serbia on false pretext of genocide - on the exact line of WMDs in 'I-raq'!
     
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    Oh come off it! The west INCLUDING THE US has had dealings with all those you've mentioned except Korea. How do you think they stayed afloat? Through economic dealings with the Western world. The west only turns on countries when they go against western interest. Iran's been floating all this time through oil deals with Europe. Gadafhi? Who was he selling oil to? Syria? Are you trying to imply that China alone deals with them? Everyone does, the west just make a WHOLE LOT OF NOISE about opposing what's being done whilst continuing trade.

    All the central American dictators the US kept afloat, are you forgetting them? All the dealings America had with Saddam till he signed the friendship treaty with the Soviet Union. What happened with the Taliban till they turned on you? I dont like hypocrits. And you know in your heart of hearts that the US is one of the biggest.

    China has a policy against interferring in other sovereign's matters. In africa, the west gives trade and aid with strings attached. China simply does business. These are simply two different foreign policies. China does not interfere, America interferes wherever it wants. And dont make it sound like America smites oppression wherever it goes. It doesn't matter what you're doing, it matters who you are. Case and point, Israel.
     
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    This is right up there with the 911 truthers and those who thought the holocaust was fiction.
     
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    The west has no dealings worth influence with them. If it did - then just like Egypt , Yemen, Bahrain etc it would stand up and dump them. We learn our lesson and drop them or severely warn them to change their ways asap. That's the point ain't it? You guys roll out red carpets, vote NO on UNSC against sanctions.protect your genocidal pals period.

    Qaddafi was not shipping ANY OIL to the US, his son was in talks to do so. But the US disregarded that and took him out. America had ( past tense ) dealings with some that they realized that they could no longer support. Eqypt was another case wherew e went against our interest and dropped support for Mubarak. China not only HAS, but WILL HAVE continued relationship with genocidal dictators and will actually protect them from the international community. 400,000 killed in the Sudan genocide and China kept protecting Bashir and continues to this date. You guys want monks to be handed over to you but refused to honor an international crimes against humanity warrant on Bashir and actually rolled out the red carpet for him in China.

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    How foolish to cite the Taliban. They protected the 911 planners. We supported the Mujaheddin against a forced take over of their country- WHEN IT WAS NOT THEIR FAULT OR DOING! . We attacked them now because it was their protected pals who attacked us on our soil and they continued to harbor them. This post is not about who you turned on, because you certainly kill your Muslim population under the guise of " terror attacks" in your own country.

    what about Isreal? you guys are craving to be close to them too. Your pals are hated by 99% of the civilized world. US pals are friendly with 99% of the civilized world!

    YOU DO NOT HAVE a policy of non interference. that is pure Hogwash! ~~ you vote to save them from UN sanctions. That's not non interference that is Mafia protecting its interest.
     
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    Gaddafi, because he supported Kashmiri separatism.
    Idi Amin, because he kicked out Indians from Uganda.
     
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    Ugh! Please man. We voted against another attempt at REGIME CHANGE. What happened the last time China supported a resolution the west proposed? NATO turned into the rebells private airforce in Lybia, when we'd voted for a NO-FLY-ZONE to protect civilains against air attack. You interfered and took sides in a civil war to achieve regime change, actively trying to kill Gadhafi with airstrikes. Are Iraqis and Egyptians and Lybians better off than they were before? No! They're in a worse place than they were before, but now America and its "friends" own their leaders. There's a name for it now: "Exporting Democracy" I saw a cool poster with that slogan under a picture of a B2 dropping a bomb once, an apt description.


    HA! You kidnap your own citizens and torture them in Diego Garcia for "terrorist activities" then turn around and denounce Gadhafi for torturing his captives for information as you do. What? Our attackers aren't terrorists but yours are? Its as illegal to bomb places in the US as is the case in China, what you employ is a double standard. Your attackers are terrorists, yet our attackers are freedom fighters? It goes both ways bro.


    What about Israel? Israel actively oppresses its Palestenian population, bombs Gaza whenever it feels like it, uproots entire palestinian communities from their homes, has policies that discriminate against palestinian population signed into law, and more importantly has A MASSIVE UNDECLARED NUCLEAR ARSENAL that the US turns a blind eye to. When India made its arsenal apparent, you applied sanctions, yet when Israel biulds up an enormous stockpile which it threatens to use against the entire arab world if it is ever defeated under its SAMSON policy, America turns a blind eye. When Iran does the same, its trumpeted that it signed the NPT and is not allowed them. DOUBLE STANDARD. We dont bomb Tibet, yet there's a lot more noise from the West about tibet that there is about the Palestinians killed every year, and the land stolen from them every year. IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU DO, BUT WHO YOU ARE IN THE DIPLOMATIC ARENA.

    We do not interfere, PERIOD. That is our policy. We will trade with whoever, Israel. Singapore, Botswana, Ghana etc etc. You will turn on whoever does not do your bidding. Its that simple.
     
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    If you were not so hung up with the illusion that you are superior to everyone and going into every thread to brag about it, you would at least make an effort to learn.

    Help yourself Jay: Dictators supported by the US
     
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    Have you paid attention to that list- you would have, had you been as smart as me? Having diplomatic relationships = having influence per that BS list. It even includes Chinese rulers past within it. Now tell us how much of influence we have had on the chinese?

    That list names every country prcatically as dictorial. Btw- dicatotors vs genocidal dictators- two seperate things.
     
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    Fine excuse - well actually a pathetic one.

    Do you know what genocide means?

    So, when the west supplied Saddam Hussain with weapons, including chemical weapons, that were used against Iran, was that not genocide? And wasn't Saddam's regime a genocidal regime?

    So, what did you learn today? Before you use any word, first understand what it means.
     
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    Brainwashing done by your supreme leaders on your populous won't change the Fact that you call removing genocidal dictators as regime change. It won't remove the fact that 99% of your pals are despised by the civilized world. won't change the fact that China never met a genocidal dictator it did not support and protect. Yes Iraqis, Egyptians and Libyans are better off. Democracy takes it time but it is always better. Ask the people of those countries, how many would like to go back to your beloved supported genocidal dictators?

    You cite some odd and end cases of violations by the US but forget those very violations are state sanctioned as the norm even today in China. With us our constitution clearly defines it as illegal. yeah sure the US has messed up- but we correct ourselves. we bring shame or shine a light on our screw ups. You guys brainwash your populous with lies , obfuscation and continued revisionist history.

    yeah? you don't bomb Tibet- who says so? you, your lying govt, your state run propaganda media? What authority do you come with? when time and time again, China has been caught lying, hiding, covering up to protect its" image". You guys even tried to cover that you had any SARS cases or that only few thousand died in the earthquake when close to 100,000 died. You have no credibility in this regard.

    You guys ban any news you deem it will hurt the poor Chinese feelings. I have never come across a country that claims it has the highest IQ ( lie, fudged and cheated numbers) but yet treats it's so called high IQ citizens as babies who can't handle a free press... that's the country you ant me to believe in its' humanity?

    The most telling line and confession made in yor post was that you consider removing genocidal dictators as regime change! :rolleyes: . I agree you do because the cuurent regime is money maker, so why change on the account of hundreds of thousads being killed by them:)
     
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    Here is what we learnt today. In an effort to try and out smart me , you did not read my posting where I clearly said we the US made mistakes and we learn from them, dumped genocidal dictators and even sided democracy when it was against our best interest. That was the point to be made/ made.


    Try harder next time...or better yet read my post before pre mature ejaculating :p
     
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    I wanted to mention US role when Pakistan carried out a genocide on 3 million Bengalis in 1971, but then second guessed it. I wasn't mistaken.

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