China's $160 billion Andhra Investment a National Security Timebomb

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Guys......Please can I as a Proud Malayalee my make pitch to my fellow Chinaman Commie comrades.

Please forgot about Andra......come to Kerala, your socialist paradise in India - we call it "God's own country".

In Kerala my Chinese comrades - you will find politicians who have actually read Karl Marx.
Nothing works in Kerala - the power goes out at any time and you never know when it will come.
You have strikes even before you start a project.

There is zero investment in Kerala and if China invest $160 billion USD - Heck, we will secede from India and become part of the PRC.
Heck we will even replace Hindi(which no self- respecting Malayalee gives a hoot about) with Mandarin as our national language.

And while you are developing Kerala into a model for the rest of India...maybe you could ship all our local politicians to the Gulag in China for some re-education !!
 
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Andhra Nero Kiran Kumar Reddy today valiantly announced that China is in talks to invest a staggering US $160 billion in Andhra Pradesh; in various sectors that include infrastructure development, real-estate, education, SMEs, and light-industry. Mr Reddy and his minions are projecting this is some sort of governance victory; but in reality, has anyone with a basic understanding of national security and geopolitics, worried.

Reddy says that no less than the economic advisor to Xi Jinping, Shoosan Maa assured him that China plans to invest around US $160 billion in the state, across various sectors, over a short period of time. It looks really dicey, and could go a long way in lifting up the economy, employment, right? Wrong! China realised that it can pull an "Africa" on India, by adapting a carrot and stick approach. Keeping the LAC hot is the stick, and "investments" are the carrots, or are they?

China, over the past two decades, struck similar "investment" deals with underdeveloped African nations, where they would invest on heavy infrastructure, real-estate, and "education," but not necessarily spending that money in a way that betters the local economies. Typically, Chinese investments would funnel back to Chinese companies in contracts to undertake big projects; and these companies would then cite lack of skill or scale in the local labour-force, and bring with them their very own labour-force from China. A key word here is "investment" and not "aid." India (Andhra Pradesh), and its citizens will eventually foot the bill for that $160 billion. When that much money is being spent here, it's being done so that >160 billion goes back, in profits.

The influx of a Chinese labor-force to support undertaking of projects that benefit from that $160 billion investment will not be small, it will be akin to the influx of South Asian labour to UAE, to support its real-estate and infra boom, only at a much larger scale. One couldn't even imagine the national security risk that a flash-flood of, say, 100,000 Chinese workers poses.

The other big sector Reddy chest-thumped about, was education. Andhra Pradesh, particularly Hyderabad, attracts students from all over the country for its engineering and IT education; among several other disciplines. Chinese investments into the education sector will not just bring Chinese labour to support the infra-projects associated with investments in the sector, but also students. Zhoushan Maa, Jinping's economic advisor, announced that he expects 10,000 Chinese students studying in Andhra Pradesh with the beginning of investments into the education sector. That number could obviously rise.

Andhra Pradesh is not just a big state with a metropolis, it has a 900 km coastline, three merchant ports (Vizag, Kakinada, Krishnapatnam), the seat of the Eastern Naval Command in Vizag, India's sole cosmodrome at Sriharikota, India's largest cache of nuclear fuel (NFC Hyderabad), key defence institutions in and around Hyderabad (BDL, DRDO, NRSA, HAL to name a few), and so on.

Valid concerns or fear-mongering? Discuss. :scared2:
a brilliant piece of article with just a few missed points.

1.no investment is for service,its just for proper returns.it will be chinese talent if they get >160billion profit,which will be good for us as it attracts more such investments

2.if the assurance is from the economic advisor to Xi Jinping, Shoosan Maa then it should be a bilateral inter governmental investment or his personal investment which is not clarified above.not to mention the central govt clearance with heavy monitoring for such projects

3.FYI there are heavy restrictions for the entry of chinese labor in to our country ,a decision taken by congress govt:scared2:so that only extremely important persons can enter

4.by the article above,china is interested in investing in Hyderabad as its a tier 2 metropolis with strong IT base which china has been lacking long since,
but i really didn't understand the part of 10000 students will come to "india" as i never knew of restrictions to students of any country for education even pakistan.if they are employees then point 3 comes here.if chinese wants rule in point3 to be exempted for such small investment they are expecting way too much plus china can do much more in their own country with that investment buying Indian talent

5.Hyderabad though an international student hub,the number 1 hub for IT is Bangalore

6.if China really wishes to monitor Hyderabad:confused: they really do not need any investments

7.investing deep inside enemy territory is never an achievement but always a risk
 

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Coast Ap wallahs will declare Independence if this happens in the future.Right now anger is simmering their about Telangana issue
lol,delusional illusion about an investment or separation?
 

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lol, so when Chinese workers and money flow into a region of India, it's a national security issue?

The Chinese government doesn't complain when the Japanese, Americans, or British do the same in China...

The POV presented here is fairly short on specifics: exactly what harms would occur under the investment plan?
till few years back Goi posed no restrictions on any kind of labor entering india with proper procedure as companies used to recruit locally available resources as it is economical till one chinese company flushed in even daily labor raising serious questions regarding chinese investments banning entry of chinese "work force"

lol you compare yourself with japanese,americans and british so much for your egpo
 

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the region is sensitive - lots of separate state issues plus even seperative movements, relatively close to sri lanka where lizard is establishing bases, close to the naxal infested areas

,plus the "agreement " also includes allowing lizard to send 10,000 of their students to study at indian institutes ,so they will have computers with which they could then infiltrate the system from within ....

i''d say "No thanks " keep your money , instead we need to urgently improve our economy, manufacturing and reduce the
leakage -corruption
entry of chinese.... no way
 

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Fair enough, and I'd be surprised if China wanted to put large amounts of labor into this series of projects. There is a lot of skilled labor available in India - but whether the AP government and regulators will be supportive enough to let the Chinese project managers utilize local labor supplies in a flexible manner remains to be seen.
if you have reservations,please don't invest
 

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pakistan is a biggest leech which knows nothing but to suck. In other words pakis are good suckers:p:p:p:p:p
for a two-some business
 

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pakistan is a biggest leech which knows nothing but to suck. In other words pakis are good suckers:p:p:p:p:p
in which case we shouldnt wake them out of their slumber ........encourage them to continue as they are ! , pat them on the back but try not to make it too obvious :rolleyes:
 

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....and Armand2REP tries shifting the topic when he's losing the argument, again. Why am I not surprised?
How am I losing when you already conceded my point?
 

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There is zero investment in Kerala and if China invest $160 billion USD - Heck, we will secede from India and become part of the PRC.
Heck we will even replace Hindi(which no self- respecting Malayalee gives a hoot about) with Mandarin as our national language.

And while you are developing Kerala into a model for the rest of India...maybe you could ship all our local politicians to the Gulag in China for some re-education !!
Yeah, and suffer the fate of Tibet, as Malyalees get flushed out into India and UAE, replaced by Hans.
 

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If the investment comes as promised for the promised sectors I welcome this to my state.

But no time line is given to the investment it may be 8 Billion for over 20 years or 16 Billion over a period of 10 years. Andhra Pradesh coastal line is a good place for development and we are a state of GDP exceeding 100 Billion. I personally doubt this initiative from China. They themselves are in trouble and are facing credit crunch in their country.

I would like the GOI to check the Chinese initiatives before allowing them to invest, In my personal opinion we should give the opportunity to reap the benefits to Indian people than Chinese.

There is also a chance of spending this money to destabilize the region, so GOI should be careful before allowing this cheap tradesman.
 

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If the Investment happens in Coast after separate Telangana is given expect .Secession of Coastal AP from India.The folks there are extremely pissed off about Congress and Telanganites
 

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Andhra Nero Kiran Kumar Reddy today valiantly announced that China is in talks to invest a staggering US $160 billion in Andhra Pradesh; in various sectors that include infrastructure development, real-estate, education, SMEs, and light-industry. Mr Reddy and his minions are projecting this is some sort of governance victory; but in reality, has anyone with a basic understanding of national security and geopolitics, worried.

Reddy says that no less than the economic advisor to Xi Jinping, Shoosan Maa assured him that China plans to invest around US $160 billion in the state, across various sectors, over a short period of time. It looks really dicey, and could go a long way in lifting up the economy, employment, right? Wrong! China realised that it can pull an "Africa" on India, by adapting a carrot and stick approach. Keeping the LAC hot is the stick, and "investments" are the carrots, or are they?

China, over the past two decades, struck similar "investment" deals with underdeveloped African nations, where they would invest on heavy infrastructure, real-estate, and "education," but not necessarily spending that money in a way that betters the local economies. Typically, Chinese investments would funnel back to Chinese companies in contracts to undertake big projects; and these companies would then cite lack of skill or scale in the local labour-force, and bring with them their very own labour-force from China. A key word here is "investment" and not "aid." India (Andhra Pradesh), and its citizens will eventually foot the bill for that $160 billion. When that much money is being spent here, it's being done so that >160 billion goes back, in profits.

The influx of a Chinese labor-force to support undertaking of projects that benefit from that $160 billion investment will not be small, it will be akin to the influx of South Asian labour to UAE, to support its real-estate and infra boom, only at a much larger scale. One couldn't even imagine the national security risk that a flash-flood of, say, 100,000 Chinese workers poses.

The other big sector Reddy chest-thumped about, was education. Andhra Pradesh, particularly Hyderabad, attracts students from all over the country for its engineering and IT education; among several other disciplines. Chinese investments into the education sector will not just bring Chinese labour to support the infra-projects associated with investments in the sector, but also students. Zhoushan Maa, Jinping's economic advisor, announced that he expects 10,000 Chinese students studying in Andhra Pradesh with the beginning of investments into the education sector. That number could obviously rise.

Andhra Pradesh is not just a big state with a metropolis, it has a 900 km coastline, three merchant ports (Vizag, Kakinada, Krishnapatnam), the seat of the Eastern Naval Command in Vizag, India's sole cosmodrome at Sriharikota, India's largest cache of nuclear fuel (NFC Hyderabad), key defence institutions in and around Hyderabad (BDL, DRDO, NRSA, HAL to name a few), and so on.

Valid concerns or fear-mongering? Discuss. :scared2:
legislation absent in africa is there in india. chinese companies cant bring in so much chinese workers as they could in india some time back and as they do in africa simply because VISA ISSUE is central govt stuff and not andhra govt.
second thing is the cap on certain sectors and other things like govt route to investment.
investment from china will be scrutinized by EGoM and CCI and other bodies and after looking meticulously into the proposal any break through can be expected.

another important thing is that when it comes to chinese affairs NSA shivshankar menon is de facto supreme authority in India and he is surely very shrewd and above local politics.
 

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lol, so when Chinese workers and money flow into a region of India, it's a national security issue?

The Chinese government doesn't complain when the Japanese, Americans, or British do the same in China...

The POV presented here is fairly short on specifics: exactly what harms would occur under the investment plan?
This is India boy we don't sell everything to everyone just for money we are different.
 

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If the Investment happens in Coast after separate Telangana is given expect .Secession of Coastal AP from India.The folks there are extremely pissed off about Congress and Telanganites
I am from Andhra Pradesh coastal area and majority here wants united Andhra Pradesh.
 

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Andhra Nero Kiran Kumar Reddy today valiantly announced that China is in talks to invest a staggering US $160 billion in Andhra Pradesh; in various sectors that include infrastructure development, real-estate, education, SMEs, and light-industry. Mr Reddy and his minions are projecting this is some sort of governance victory; but in reality, has anyone with a basic understanding of national security and geopolitics, worried.

Reddy says that no less than the economic advisor to Xi Jinping, Shoosan Maa assured him that China plans to invest around US $160 billion in the state, across various sectors, over a short period of time. It looks really dicey, and could go a long way in lifting up the economy, employment, right? Wrong! China realised that it can pull an "Africa" on India, by adapting a carrot and stick approach. Keeping the LAC hot is the stick, and "investments" are the carrots, or are they?

China, over the past two decades, struck similar "investment" deals with underdeveloped African nations, where they would invest on heavy infrastructure, real-estate, and "education," but not necessarily spending that money in a way that betters the local economies. Typically, Chinese investments would funnel back to Chinese companies in contracts to undertake big projects; and these companies would then cite lack of skill or scale in the local labour-force, and bring with them their very own labour-force from China. A key word here is "investment" and not "aid." India (Andhra Pradesh), and its citizens will eventually foot the bill for that $160 billion. When that much money is being spent here, it's being done so that >160 billion goes back, in profits.

The influx of a Chinese labor-force to support undertaking of projects that benefit from that $160 billion investment will not be small, it will be akin to the influx of South Asian labour to UAE, to support its real-estate and infra boom, only at a much larger scale. One couldn't even imagine the national security risk that a flash-flood of, say, 100,000 Chinese workers poses.

The other big sector Reddy chest-thumped about, was education. Andhra Pradesh, particularly Hyderabad, attracts students from all over the country for its engineering and IT education; among several other disciplines. Chinese investments into the education sector will not just bring Chinese labour to support the infra-projects associated with investments in the sector, but also students. Zhoushan Maa, Jinping's economic advisor, announced that he expects 10,000 Chinese students studying in Andhra Pradesh with the beginning of investments into the education sector. That number could obviously rise.

Andhra Pradesh is not just a big state with a metropolis, it has a 900 km coastline, three merchant ports (Vizag, Kakinada, Krishnapatnam), the seat of the Eastern Naval Command in Vizag, India's sole cosmodrome at Sriharikota, India's largest cache of nuclear fuel (NFC Hyderabad), key defence institutions in and around Hyderabad (BDL, DRDO, NRSA, HAL to name a few), and so on.

Valid concerns or fear-mongering? Discuss. :scared2:
160 billion $ over hiked
 

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If the Investment happens in Coast after separate Telangana is given expect .Secession of Coastal AP from India.The folks there are extremely pissed off about Congress and Telanganites
I'm sure China is more interested in Hyderabad, which will go to Telangana. Good luck getting a big share of that $160 Monopoly Dollars.
 

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I'm sure China is more interested in Hyderabad, which will go to Telangana. Good luck getting a big share of that $160 Monopoly Dollars.
Telangana without SA people is worse than Calcutta
 

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Telangana without SA people is worse than Calcutta
SA people won't leave. The only ones that might, are state government employees and violators of land ceiling act.
 

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