China Wonders if Pakistan Is Responsible for Xinjiang Violence

[Ray]

Pakistan's people are friendly to the Chinese.

Have they any other options given the state of political, security and economic chaos that goes by the name of Pakistan?

 

[Rushil51]

Regardless of what Westerners and Indians say about alliance between China and Pakistan, there are mutual benefits of the alliance. Practically speaking, India is a regional rival for both nations, Pakistan significantly reduce the stress for the Chinese border, for that India always have appetite for invasion, such as the "forward policy" of Nehru and destruction of Sikkim nation. Chinese troops in Tibet is significantly outnumbered by Indian counterpart. Pakistan lessen the pressure. For both nation have one common rival. Pakistan benefit from technology corporation. Furthermore, Pakistan Islam extremism would be funded the Saudis regardless of Chinese alliance with Pakistan. Even if China were not Pakistan's ally, the extremists would still help the extremist in Chinese border.

Even talk less about practicality, most Chinese have a overwhelmingly positive image about the alliance with Pakistan. Pakistan's people are friendly to the Chinese.

Ironic of a Chinese man/woman calling India a Invader. Sikkim was never an independent country,India controlled its external affairs, defence, diplomacy and communications. Sikkim PM requested India to make Sikkim a state of India and then Indian army was pushed in Sikkim. Even after that a referendum was held in which "Union with India" got 97.5% of the votes unlike in Tibet where PLA invaded. Nehru's forward policy is dead,so no need to worry about that. Of course those Chinese troops are not there to thwart any possible Indian invasion but to suppress Tibetan uprising. India-Pak hostility is good for China as it helps to reduce India's influence and increase Chinese. And Of course Pakistanis have a positive image regarding China since they really came help them solve their country's chaos, but the Chinese..well(31 percent of Chinese have a favourable view of Pakistan: Pew - PakTribune)

 

[Rushil51]

There is no need for political unity with India at any issue at any level, we are hostile neighbors fighting proxy wars against each others.
Pakistan will always act neutrally when it comes to muslims in China. Some might call us hypocrites but I consider this to be the only politically correct and pragmatic attitude we choose to show towards China.

India is not a natural ally of Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Iran. These countries have carefully been chosen to contain Sino-Pak influence in the region. But things will change soon as SCO is getting more weight and political structure. Our concerns will be addressed and dealt with in time.

No such thing as a "Sino-Pak influence". Just Sino influence. Again Chinese don't have much influence in Central Asia(Or as westerners call it,Middle East).Recent incidents and Chinese responses(or lack of it) shows. Coming to the natural ally point,it really depends how you define the term natural ally. India is a natural ally to Iran and Afghanistan for many reasons such as cultural and historical links and mutual goals in the region. Iran will continue to draw closer to India(not too close because of our relations with Israel) as Pak draws closer to Saudi Arabia. Pak wants influence on Afghanistan for which it use ISI and Afgan Taliban. India on the other hand want exactly the opposite and supports ANA with equipments and training.

 

[Compersion]

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[roma]

There is no need for political unity with India at any issue at any level, we are hostile neighbors fighting proxy wars against each others.
Pakistan will always act neutrally when it comes to muslims in China. Some might call us hypocrites but I consider this to be the only politically correct and pragmatic attitude we choose to show towards China.

India is not a natural ally of Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Iran. These countries have carefully been chosen to contain Sino-Pak influence in the region. But things will change soon as SCO is getting more weight and political structure. Our concerns will be addressed and dealt with in time.

Thank you Sir ( Ma'am ?) for what i consider to be an interesting and worthy post .

1. as for the "political" unity - you are likely to be right as far as official party politics goes but the people's opinions
can vary on the ground ? nevertheless i wouldn't argue with you and hold it as a distant possibility, is how i see it.

2. as for your Office Bearers attitude towards Xinjiang refugees - it is most unfortunate - i accept that as you say it is
pragmatic - but i think as Afghanistan develops over the next decade, your NWFP areas may choose to have a different
frame of mind than the political correctness of the people in Rawalpindi. I think whatever military action Pak takes in those areas is going to be highly unpopular with their brethren over across the Durand line in the afghan side . Now what has that got to do with Xinjiang, just the fact the "religious" "extremism" will sway opinions and favour a more brotherly attitude towards XInjiang rather that the official policies of the state against them .

3. If by SCO you are referring to Shanghai Cooperation organization (?) - it's more an economic agreement
than military, so lets watch the usa ( even if frantically) succeed in roping together nations surrounding China that have a realistic and substantial aversion of it . The relatively newly independent states of central asia didn't get independence from one communist big-brother only to fall into the hands of another . I think they value their independence far too much to become a military ally of China -- quite the opposite, they need alliances with Russia and USA to avoid being coerced by China !

So pardon my rambling on - because in the end, you're most likely to be proven right on points 1 and 2
- i only hold fast to point 3.

Thanks for a good discussion, youre welcome to reply if so inclined.

 

[rock127]

We are aware of the explosive nature of FATA and the proxy war being sponsored by some of our adversaries.
We will not allow our territory to be used against our ally and they know that.
Again, desperate propaganda from our ennemies isn't going to affect our excellent relations with China. We will do all possible to handover these Uyghurs who are entering Pakistan via NA dominated Afgjanistan.

Pakistan is the EPICENTER of World TERRORISM.

No one believes Pakis specially when OBL was killed near Islamabad protected by Pak Army.

Pakistan has killed millions of Muslims and innocent women and children and raped them too.

Good to see Pakis in a civil war and caught in their own web... Pakis are themselves bleeding from 1000 wounds.

Allah is punishing Pakistan... Allah hoho Akbar.Allah is da besht.

 

[Blackwater]

pakistan azad ho gaya ho gaya ??????

 

[brational]

Islamabad blockade! Nice to see that the govt bars it own citizens from entering into islamabad. God bless pakis!

 

[Ray]

Blockade by Blockheads for more Blockheads.

 

[Ray]

The Origin Of Terrorism In Muslim History
By: - Ahmed Mansour
The origin of terrorism in Muslim history


and this dated article below establishes the chaos in Pakistan and the total schizophrenia that posses Pakistan.

By helping the USA in attacking Afghanistan; Pakistan today faces a near definite possibility of a break-up after a relentless civil war between the Kemalist sections of the Pakistani Army led by General-President Pervez Musharraf against the Jehadi factions led by the 2nd rung generals like Director General ISPR Major General Rashid Querishi, and the beard-sporting fundamentalist Generals like Mohammaed Usmani and Mohammed Aziz (who installed General Musharraf as President in absentia, after toppling the ex-Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif). So far three Pakistani generals have been publicly accused of having links with the Al Qaeda. This is just the tip of the iceberg. More disturbing is the fact that the father of Pakistan's Atom Bomb was sent into forced retirement due to his sympathies for the Taliban. Some members of Pakistan's nuclear establishment and the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence), Pakistan's secret service, have maintained clandestine links with the Al Qaeda. This is an untold story of the ISI-Pakistan Military-AlQaeda nexus.

The Jihadi Army Generals in the Pakistani Military

These Jihadi Army Generals and their significant supporters in the Pakistani Army will find support from the private rogue armies like the Lashkar-e-Toiba, Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Jaish-e-Mohammedi and other Jehadi outfits.

Possibility of a Civil War and a break-up of Pakistan has been predicted by the RAND Corporation

This possibility of a Break-up of Pakistan has been predicted by the RAND Corporation in a recent study that presents various futuristic scenarios. But what seemed unbelievable at that time seems quite possible since the US asked Pakistan to prove its offer of help to the Americans to fight Terrorism. With US wanting to have insulated military bases in Pakistan, the fat would be in the fire for the Jihadi groups who have already started crying blue murder, going by the statement of the Lashkar-e-toiba, condemning Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf's offer to help the Americans fight the terrorists.

Pakistani Jihadis share an umbilical cord with the Taliban

Needless to add here that President Musharraf has earned the ire of the Pakistani Jihadis since they share an umbilical cord with the Taliban. The cassette showing Osama Bin Laden advocating a Jihad against America is widely studied in Pakistan and other parts of the volatile Islamic world. And an entire generation of Islamic Jihadis is been brought up idolizing Laden. This adds fuel to the already fanatical nature of Islamic society.

The Pivotal Role of Pakistan

Pakistan's role in either supporting or opposing the Taliban is pivotal. The Taliban is Pakistan's baby which they fathered to fight the assorted Mujaheedeen groups that fought in Afghanistan after the Soviets withdrew from there. Thus Taliban is a child of the Pakistanis. And for the Taliban, a continuation of Pakistani solidarity is a lifeline. The Taliban cannot exist without this Pakistani lifeline. This is especially since the Taliban has hostile neighbours on all sides, except on its south where lies Pakistan. The Shia Iranian to their west hate the Sunni Taliban, the Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kazaks and Turkmens to the North of the Taliban have an anathema for the spread of Talibanist ideology into their ex-communist society; the Chinese have a silent but decisive hatred of Islamic fanaticism and they execute all Muslim terrorists without fanfare in Xinjiang; the Indians have no love for the Taliban. So this leaves only Pakistan which is the sole lifeline for the Taliban. And now the Americans have asked the Pakistani Govt to help them destroy the Taliban!

Implications of the Pakistani offer of help to the Americans

The Pakistani offer of help to the American after the blowing up of the WTC and Pentagon has proved to be millstone around the neck of the Pakistanis. If they help the Americans, they face a civil war within their own country. And if they don't they face American ire and also the possibility of an American attack sometime in future, if not immediately.

Today the Pakistanis themselves are divided between the Kemalist and Jihad camps.

Much depends on what General Musharraf's outlook at heart really is?

If President Pervez Musharraf really has the Kemalist outlook that he professes to have then he is essence anti-Islamic. Because Kemalism vaporizes Islam as it has done in Turkey. Musharraf who has had his schooling and upbringing in Turkey (where his father worked as a Pakistani Diplomat) has evidently shown his Kemalist leanings in his occasional outbursts against the Jihadis. But his problem is that he has to rub shoulders with fellow officers of the Pakistani military those who are temperamentally Jihadis. This apart from many other rogue private armies like the Lashkar-e-Toiba, Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Jaish-e-Mohammedi ad nausem.

If President Musharraf helps the Americans he faces a prospect of civil war

If President Musharraf helps the Americans he faces a prospect of civil war within Pakistan. A war which he can win only with American help. If he seeks that help, the Americans would be more than willing to give him that and help in smashing the den of Islamic Jihad which Pakistan has become. The outcome could also be a break-up of Pakistan, which the Americans may do, a la Germany after the Second World War. This would be done to emasculate Pakistan and prevent it from becoming the womb of Islamic Terrorism once again in future.

But if General Musharraf does this, he would lose his standing as a Muslim leader and become a sworn enemy of the Jihadis.


If he does not help the Americans, he is exposed as one who has sneaking sympathies for the Jihadis

On the other hand if he does not help the Americans, as he has promised to do, then he is exposed in the eyes of the world as one who has sneaking sympathies for the Jihadis.

How will Musharraf answer this tough existential dilemma?

So today General-President Pervez Musharraf faces a tough existential dilemma today. The million dollar question is, how will Musharraf answer this tough existential dilemma? The future of Pakistan, the shape of its survival and the course of the global war against terrorism depends on what today General-President Pervez Musharraf decides today!

We from the News on Islamic Terrorism team, wish him good sense and good luck.
Military news Analysis - Why Pakistan faces a Civil War Situation Today

The wily, double faced Mohajir Musharraf, belonging the community for which there is no love lost in Pakistan, is now facing the ire of Pakistan and isolated, having gone, whatever semblance of a Nation state Pakistan claimed is crumbling like a pack of cards.

And this is the House that Jinnah Built

"This is the house that Jack built..."
by Mother Goose
This is the house that Jack built.

This is the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the cow with the crumpled horn,
That tossed the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the maiden all forlorn,
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn,
That tossed the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the man all tattered and torn,
That kissed the maiden all forlorn,
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn,
That tossed the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the priest all shaven and shorn,
That married the man all tattered and torn,
That kissed the maiden all forlorn,
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn,
That tossed the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the cock that crowed in the morn,
That waked the priest all shaven and shorn,
That married the man all tattered and torn,
That kissed the maiden all forlorn,
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn,
That tossed the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the farmer sowing his corn,
That kept the cock that crowed in the morn,
That waked the priest all shaven and shorn,
That married the man all tattered and torn,
That kissed the maiden all forlorn,
That milked the cow with the crumpled horn,
That tossed the dog,
That worried the cat,
That killed the rat,
That ate the malt
That lay in the house that Jack built.

This is the Nation all tattered and torn,
That kissed the Taliban all forlorn,
That befooled the Generals all bald and pride unborn.

 

[bennedose]

Here is an ooooooooooooooooold news item. 14 days old
China Points to Pakistan in Xinjiang Attack - WSJ

But it said Monday that an "initial probe" had shown that leaders of Sunday's attack on a restaurant, in which 11 people died, had received explosives and firearms training in Pakistan-based camps of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, also known as ETIM.

China has long accused Uighur groups waging a sometimes violent campaign for independence of being part of ETIM, which it says has links to al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations and has sent people to train and fight in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But China rarely points a finger so directly and publicly at Pakistan, suggesting to some analysts that it is either unhappy with Islamabad's counterterrorism efforts or anxious to portray the violence as emanating from abroad.

The allegation is all the more striking as Pakistan, facing a crisis in ties with the U.S. since the killing of Osama bin Laden, has been working hard to portray China as its "all-weather friend" and an alternative source of civilian and military aid. Pakistani officials said in May that China had agreed to take over operation of the strategically positioned Pakistani port of Gwadar, and that Islamabad had asked Beijing to build a naval base there.

 

[no smoking]

It is your govt who created this image. Majority of Chinese are not accessed to free press and news.

No, that is the image your media created. How many time did we hear the crying from India press about potential Chinese threat to India's interest?

There are more Chinese are working in India than in Pakistan and they are enjoying the freedom in this country.

They are coming to where the money is.

ZTE and Huawei have deployed large number of chinese engineers in india and I know few of them.if given a chance, they will not return to China.

Oh, please! I know a lot of Chinese who works in India. If given a Chance, they would jump on the first flight back to China. In Chinese companies, India and African countries are the destinations requiring special extra rewards for the employees in order to encourage them accepting any business trip over there longer than 1 month.

So stop making fuss about pakistan's image. Those chinese who are in pakistan must have been praying to return back to mainland.

Certainly, the positions over there are not popular as much as those in western countries, but Chinese over there are not praying as much as their colleagues in India.

 

[brational]

No, that is the image your media created. How many time did we hear the crying from India press about potential Chinese threat to India's interest?

It seems that the Chinese Govt creates blogs with Indian Newspaper Cuttings and post them in their Website since most of the Chinese are restricted from free news source.

They are coming to where the money is.

Nice attempt to show that the Chinese are professionals (for a moment though) that's why more Chinese prefer coming to India.

Oh, please! I know a lot of Chinese who works in India. If given a Chance, they would jump on the first flight back to China. In Chinese companies, India and African countries are the destinations requiring special extra rewards for the employees in order to encourage them accepting any business trip over there longer than 1 month.

Again a Chinese govt propaganda to restrict the the number of Chinese going to India. I forgot the fact that most of the Chinese prefer to be ruled by masters over their basic freedom. Certainly, the positions over there are not popular as much as those in western countries, but Chinese over there are not praying as much as their colleagues in India.

Yes, the Chinese are getting home like treatments in Pakistan like Slaps and Kicks. Sorry, India can not give you those "feeling at home" treatments. This adds to Chinese disappointments with India.

 

[bennedose]

Oh, please! I know a lot of Chinese who works in India. If given a Chance, they would jump on the first flight back to China.
.

As usual China is forcing its citizens to live in poor conditions and not giving them freedom to do as they please. I know that Chinese, if given a chance would jump on a plane to go and live in Pakistan. In fact Indians are also trying to go to Pakistan. Ask any Pakistani and he will tell you that Indians are trying to occupy Pakistan.