China Wonders if Pakistan Is Responsible for Xinjiang Violence

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    As Ankit discussed last week, China may alienate its close friend Pakistan through its discrimination against ethnic Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang, the Uyghur “autonomous” region in western China.

    However, it is just as possible that China will itself be alienated from Pakistan due to Pakistan’s role in incubating Uyghur radicals. The past few days have seen the bloodiest violence in Xinjiang between ethnic Uyghurs and Han Chinese — both civilians and government forces. Over 100 individuals died in the latest bout of violence, which began when Uyghurs attacked police stations in Kashgar. Two days later, the pro-government imam of Kashgar’s largest mosque was stabbed to death. Kashgar, located near the border with Pakistan and Afghanistan, is demographically one of the most Uyghur cities in Xinjiang as well as being a traditional center of Uyghur culture. Among the dead were 59 alleged terrorists gunned down by police.

    The Economist reports fears that the conflict in Xinjiang may soon take on features of the Chechen conflict against Russia. Chechen nationalism and demands for autonomy were met with brutality, which in turn radicalized the Chechen movement and fused it with Islamist jihadism. Likewise, Chinese brutality in Xinjiang may lead to a similar radicalization of the Uyghur movement. However, like the chicken or the egg argument, it is impossible to fully argue that the Chinese crackdown will radicalize Uyghurs or if radicalized Uyghurs have indeed infiltrated into China from Pakistan, leading to the worsening of the security situation there.

    While many Chinese officials often exaggerate the role of Pakistan as incubating Uyghur radicals to justify their brutality or cover up their own security failures, it is true that the recent increase in violence is linked to Uyghur radicals with ties to militants in Pakistan. They have also picked up strategies learned in Pakistan. Uyghur militants have adopted some aspects of classical modern jihadist violence, such as suicide bombings and indiscriminate killings of civilians, after noting the effectiveness of such strategies in other conflicts like Iraq and Syria. Adopting a jihadist strategy also generally strengthens the zeal of fighters, making it harder for governments to defeat or negotiate with them.

    The recent violence has been linked to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, the most important subgroup of which is known as the Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP), which operates from Pakistan. TIP is now based in North Waziristan, which has largely been out of the Pakistani government’s control. There, it mainly trains with the widely feared and hardened Uzbek militants. TIP’s connections in North Waziristan have allowed its fighters to gain experience fighting in other conflicts such as Syria and Iraq while helping other foreign jihadis from the Middle East become more aware of the Xinjiang conflict, which has hitherto been a relatively peripheral concern for jihadists.

    According to reports, the Chinese military is currently engaged in halting the flow of terrorists from Pakistan up the Karakorum Highway and through the Khunjerab Pass into Xinjiang. China would like Pakistan stem the tide of Uyghur militants into China. The failure of Pakistan’s military to do so have led to suspicions in China that some mid-level members of Pakistan’s army are sympathetic to the Uyghur militants and that the problem is not due to Pakistan’s incapacity to eliminate militants in Waziristan. Many of these sympathetic soldiers have been influenced by Pakistan’s Islamization policies since the 1980s. Many Chinese officials believe that Pakistan’s intelligence services have contracts with Uyghur militants who may be used, if needed, in places like Kashmir and Afghanistan. As such, Pakistanis are unwilling to fully take out the Uyghur militants within their borders.

    Many Chinese are hopeful that Pakistan’s current operation in Waziristan will end the problem of militancy in Pakistan, including that of Uyghur terrorism. However, given Pakistan’s addiction to using militants as proxies, it would be surprising if the current operation in Waziristan truly eliminated militancy in the region. If Uyghur militants were to continue to operate in Pakistan after the conclusion of Operation Zarb-e-Azb, this would be ill received in China, causing it to increasingly reevaluate its relation with Pakistan.

    Source(China Wonders if Pakistan Is Responsible for Xinjiang Violence | The Diplomat)
     
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    Change the title into: INDIA Wonders if Pakistan Is Responsible for Xinjiang Violence. :rofl:
     
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    Only because a Pakistani says so?
     
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    Title is kind of misleading though article raises some good points.
     
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    No, because Indians are more desperate and eager to create a link with Xinjiang than the Chinese. :namaste:
     
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    Desperation is visible on Pakistani faces who are sweating to dissociate themselves from Xinjiang.

    Hell why so sweaty palms dear? The Chinese ambassador was all praises for your country in tackling terrorism ( originating from your soil).

    That statement of his, though establishes the terror link, is appreciative of your efforts in curbing them, well unless they latter find out you have made a USA out of them.
     
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    No links been made,they are already there. As I earlier said the title is kind of misleading but raises good point like sympathisers cropping out from not only general public but also out of mid and low levels of Pak military due to connections like religion etc. Uighur leader hideout is also based in Pak according to (From his Pakistan hideout, Uighur leader vows revenge on China | Reuters)
     
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    The poster himself has previously admitted that Pak military has rounded up dozens of Uighurs from Pak soil and handed them to China.
     
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    We are aware of the explosive nature of FATA and the proxy war being sponsored by some of our adversaries.
    We will not allow our territory to be used against our ally and they know that.
    Again, desperate propaganda from our ennemies isn't going to affect our excellent relations with China. We will do all possible to handover these Uyghurs who are entering Pakistan via NA dominated Afgjanistan.
     
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    Do you really believe that our military which has better links with China than our govt will allow any of this? China is our only time tested ally and we depend on her for two third of our defense imports. A few hundred Uyghurs are not going to ruin this alliance. Chinese military presence in GB is to ensure we do all possible to minimise threats to China. Once US leaves Afghanistan, we will adapt a more prio active approach to control insurgencies from NA dominated northern Afghanistan. This is where these Uyghurs are coming from.
     
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    Yes, we never denied their presence and handed over 20 Uyghur suspects to China. Their total number is expected to be no more than 200 according to Chinese intelligence and most of them have fled FATA already.
     
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    who knows if India helps Pakhtun to support Muslim Brothers in Xinjiang - it may be a
    possibility of unity between India and Pakistan - how's that for lateral thinking - now that is unlikely
    at the leadership levvel - but perhaps with the people level

    after all the Khazars became politically Jewish ....so India might become politically Islamic ?
     
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    There is no need for political unity with India at any issue at any level, we are hostile neighbors fighting proxy wars against each others.
    Pakistan will always act neutrally when it comes to muslims in China. Some might call us hypocrites but I consider this to be the only politically correct and pragmatic attitude we choose to show towards China.

    India is not a natural ally of Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Iran. These countries have carefully been chosen to contain Sino-Pak influence in the region. But things will change soon as SCO is getting more weight and political structure. Our concerns will be addressed and dealt with in time.
     
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    Regardless of what Westerners and Indians say about alliance between China and Pakistan, there are mutual benefits of the alliance. Practically speaking, India is a regional rival for both nations, Pakistan significantly reduce the stress for the Chinese border, for that India always have appetite for invasion, such as the "forward policy" of Nehru and destruction of Sikkim nation. Chinese troops in Tibet is significantly outnumbered by Indian counterpart. Pakistan lessen the pressure. For both nation have one common rival. Pakistan benefit from technology corporation. Furthermore, Pakistan Islam extremism would be funded the Saudis regardless of Chinese alliance with Pakistan. Even if China were not Pakistan's ally, the extremists would still help the extremist in Chinese border.

    Even talk less about practicality, most Chinese have a overwhelmingly positive image about the alliance with Pakistan. Pakistan's people are friendly to the Chinese.
     
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    No pakistan is all weather ally of China , how can they support violence in Xinjiang:taunt1:
     
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    For The Guardian, William Dalrymple looks at how Chinese campaigns in Central Asia, originally launched with economic goals, are becoming more security oriented, and-leading to greater Sino-US cooperation in the region. Dalrymple quotes U.S. officials who also believe that Beijing’s claims of a hostile Uyghur presence in the region are exaggerated:

    [...] American intelligence does not believe that the Uighur militant presence in Afghanistan or Pakistan is very large: “There must be some Uighurs there,” I was told by a US delegation member last week. “But the Chinese overdo it. The Uighurs are certainly not as significant a presence as the Uzbeks, who are definitely there and are genuinely a threat.” The primitive nature of the Kunming attack – using knives not guns or bombs – would seem to confirm that the Uighurs may be angry but they remain largely untrained and unarmed.


    From Pakistan, Uyghur Separatist Vows Revenge on China - China Digital Times (CDT)
     
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    That is what makes Indians so happy. If we were surrounded by smart neighbours it would be far worse. We are surrounded by sentimental nincompoops and if they are happy - why should we worry. We just make sure that we are strong enough to hold both back. If one fails, collapses or makes peace, the other will be screwed.

    Pakistan-China friendship - "Taller than tallest mountain, deeper than deepest ocean, sweeter than honey, greater than god, loved by Allah"
    The deep roots of China-Pakistan friendship - YouTube
     
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    Pakistanis break into cold sweat every time there is the fear that China may get furious that the Uighurs are being backed by elements from Pakistan and Pakistan is impotent to act.

    Indeed Pakistan cannot control their 'strategic assets' from choosing target countries.
     
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    It is your govt who created this image. Majority of Chinese are not accessed to free press and news. There are more Chinese are working in India than in Pakistan and they are enjoying the freedom in this country. ZTE and Huawei have deployed large number of chinese engineers in india and I know few of them.if given a chance, they will not return to China.

    So stop making fuss about pakistan's image. Those chinese who are in pakistan must have been praying to return back to mainland.
     
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