China violated Line of Actual Control 500 times in last two years

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  1. Yusuf

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    NEW DELHI: Needling India all along the unresolved 4,057-km Line of Actual Control (LAC), Chinese troops have crossed over into Indian territory over 500 times since January, 2010.

    But much more than the sheer number of these "transgressions" - the government refuses to call them "intrusions" - it's the increasingly aggressive behaviour of the 2.5-million-strong People's Liberation Army (PLA) along the LAC that remains a major worry.

    Many experts feel China, after building massive military infrastructure in Tibet Autonomous Region with five airbases, an extensive rail network and over 58,000-km of roads, is now resorting to "a slow but steady cartographic aggression" to keep India under pressure.

    The government, as always, played down the issue by holding the transgressions took place due to "differing perceptions" about where the LAC actually lies. "Our security forces also continue to patrol all areas that fall within the Indian perception of the LAC," said defence minister A K Antony in Rajya Sabha on Wednesday.

    Union minister of state for home Mullappally Ramachandran, however, did admit the number of transgressions by PLA troops stood at 228 in 2010, 213 in 2011 and 64 till April.

    Similar figures, if not more, have been recorded in earlier years. The number of Chinese transgressions, as Antony said, have "generally been as per established pattern" during the last five years.

    But that does not detract from the fact that the PLA has been flexing its muscles through an aggressive border management policy to stake claim to disputed areas in all the three sectors - western (Ladakh), middle (Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh) and eastern (Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh).

    Chinese troops, for instance, damaged a 200-feet long stonewall in Yangtse area of Tawang in Arunachal last year, which was subsequently re-built by India after lodging a strong protest with Beijing.

    Armed motorized as well as boat patrols by PLA in the strategically-located Trig Heights and Pangong Tso lake in eastern Ladakh have also intensified since 2009. Similarly, Chinese has stepped up claims along the 206-km border between Tibet and Sikkim, which India long considered was "a settled matter", with the so-called 2.1 sq km "finger area" in the northernmost tip of the state remaining a specific matter of concern.

    New Delhi hopes the new bilateral boundary coordination mechanism, which became operational two months ago after being inked during the 15th round of border talks between national security advisor Shivshankar Menon and his Chinese counterpart Dai Bingguo in January, will help prevent border flare-ups between the two armies.

    India also takes up "specific incidents" of transgressions by PLA through hotlines, flag meetings, border personnel meeting (BPM) and diplomatic channels. During the 4th India-China annual defence dialogue last December, India also told China that military patrols along the LAC should not be undertaken at night, nor should they "surprise each other". Moreover, laid-down stand-operating procedures to cool down tempers should be followed in the event of face-offs between the two armies.

    India also suggested the proposed BPM mechanism at Lipulekh in the middle sector should be shifted to the nearby Mana Pass to make it operational, to follow the ones already in place at Nathu La, Bumla, Spanggur and Kibithu-Damai.

    http://m.timesofindia.com/PDATOI/articleshow/13178547.cms
     
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  3. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    well,

    India and CHina has not agree on the line of actual control yet....
    so," Line of Actual Control " accepted by CHina is different from that accept by India...

    that is mean, there doesn't exist one "line of actual control" accept by both side..

    then how can something unexisting be violated by china or India 500 times?

    Conclusion: the article is just a stunt of media.
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    I would like to know how much India has violated Chinese territory. If we have done the same, I will be happy!
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    well, I mean that disputy is till there and "line of actual control" accepted by both sides still does not exist.


    so, now, either India troops of CHina troops patrolled along the "line of actual control" unilaterally accepted by either ,although the "line of actual control" accepted by CHina often collides with that accepted by India

    that is the real case that I understand.
     
  6. trackwhack

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    our defence minister is equivalent to a media journo?
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    or in a word, the title should be :" CHina volated the " line of actual cotrol" unlaterally drawn by India.".....which is much mroe accruate ...

    BTW, because " the line of actual control" has not be agreed by both,so and " LAC" accepted by either collides with each other.

    So, while CHina troops violated LAC accepted by India, India troops also often violated LAC accepted by china.

    the only difference here is that India often screams while China usually keeps silent.
     
  8. Adux

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    Its nothing, China soldier basically pee's on this side by mistake and we write up a report. Good way to put pressure and change the Indian military might against the new foe.
     
  9. lemontree

    lemontree Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    We can thank our stupid politicians for this attitude.
     
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    Its funny that all our politicians, well a lot of them at least indulge in land grab in India. But at the national level, they make no effort to grab some other country's land. Assholes. Here we are looking to consolidate what we claim and not doing a good job of it.
     
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    No wonder china violates LAC and entered indian territory as China disputes border with Taiwan, Japan, Russia, Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam (South China sea dispute) etc etc...

    Territorial dispute is one of the political agenda of PRC.

    But India is also surrounded by Pak, China, Bangladesh, SL (marine boundary), Bhutan, Nepal, Burma. But we have had disputes mainly (only) with China and Pak only - because these two are arrogant and adamant in grabbing others territory.
     
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    my brother was a communication operator in iaf.he told me that it is quite demoralising to our boys when they are told to sit back and do nothing
     
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    they didnt violated the LAC, they just heard the brawl and came into this side to see whats happening and to lend the cellphones to make our soldiers make calls. isnt it mr Antony
     
  14. i actually think your assesment may be true.but the only problem is china has not accepted any line of control with any nation.according to chinese the entire world belongs to them.they have invaded with tibet,akshai chin for the same reason,wants to do invade taiwan,north east india,sikkim,parts of sibeia,phillipines etc.even after their misadventure against soviet in 1969 where they faced humiliation it seems they haven't learnt their leason and have been boldened by the fall of soviet union,rising chinese economy and the slow and ongoing fall of usa.
     
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    Is this something new..

    Incident like these are very common and sometime very hot there...
     
  16. sunnyv

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    " Chinese troops, for instance, damaged a 200-feet long stonewall in Yangtse area of Tawang in Arunachal last year, which was subsequently re-built by India after lodging a strong protest with Beijing "

    Incidents like these are not tolerable and simply not common . Its good that that we took it in Flag meet with all whistles blowing . But still the aggressiveness in LRP like this by PLA , shows the hegemonic mindset towards India and Tibet . Perhaps time for people sitting in Delhi to stand up and leave aside dhoti shivering attitude
     
  17. Tianshan

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    that's why you should elect modi.
     
  18. Bangalorean

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    Heh - looks like your experience on DFI is teaching you a lot about India. :heh:
     

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